The non televised games are to be streamed for £14.95.
The fans of the top clubs are not happy at all.
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The non televised games are to be streamed for £14.95.
The fans of the top clubs are not happy at all.
Ah shame that, they might have to spend some money to watch their club like a normal fan. My heart goes out to them.
I'm trying not to cry 😢
They won’t need or want us fans back the way we’re heading.😟
Are fans of Premier League clubs abnormal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
Apologies if that comment is difficult for you to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
You're abnormal however. Do you not have a street being closed to cry about or is it just facetious comments online for you today?
Odious little man.
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
I'm abnormal.....
Fantastic news for all the Man Utd and Liverpool fans in Dublin, Southampton and Norwich who have never visited any of the groundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Whisperer
Incidentally, it was a difficult comment for me to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
Are you saying that supporters of Burnley, West Brom, Brighton, Southampton, Sheffield United. Fulham (don't start, Blue Lewj....), Leicester, etc, aren't 'normal' fans?
If not, what are you saying?
I thought Sludge would have been all over this
Give it time.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
The only club to vote against it apparentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The fans who aren't happy are the ones who have already forked out a big wodge of cash for their season tickets. Now they're being asked to pay again, and that's what they're unhappy about. And to be honest, I would be too, if it was me.
It'll be sorted out. My guess is that they'll end up getting some sort of refund, or like Cardiff season ticket holders, they will get some sort of free pass. I don't think this story has finished yet.
Premier league football doesn't appear to be a viable business model if you're having to ask fans to fork out £14.95 to watch individual games on a computer. Wonder if Manchester City chairman sees it the same?
Henry Winter: https://twitter.com/henrywinter/stat...81980575674370
Part of selling the premier league is the full stadiums and excitement generated by crowds. If football fans remain disorganised and rush back without a second delay then this greedy behaviour will continue with supporters losing out time and again.Quote:
£14.95 to watch a game on pay per view is disgraceful. £5, ok, but £14.95? It's disgusting. At a time when PL clubs spent £1.2bn on players. When they'll give agents £200m. When so many families are struggling. The creed of greed is in
@premierleague DNA but this truly stinks.
The @premierleague needs to be very careful here. I'm lucky to go to games behind closed doors - and full respect to players for giving everything - but games soulless without fans. PL risks alienating fans with its blatant greed. When fans can return in 6 months, will they all?
Didn't realise season tickets were free in the Premier League.Quote:
Originally Posted by Der Kaiser
Ive got a city season ticket,pay a tenner to watch the away games.Thats where it ends for me.
I dont pay for Sky sports and certainly wont be paying 15 quid to watch teams I couldn't give a **** about.
Am I the only one who feels it may set a dangerous precedent? Commercially if this is a success or becomes viable in the future you can guarantee the big clubs will start wondering why don’t they bin off the wider tv deals for their own enterprises this reducing the amount of shared monies more.
Is / Wasn't that the Spanish model?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Think (?) they have one tv deal but Barcelona and Real Madrid get bigger shares?Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
I’d be concerned if Liverpool or United thought they could go it alone, start charging for their games on a Saturday and what that could mean to smaller clubs who were playing at the same time.
I didn’t think it would be long before they started taking advantage of the situation. For all their billions the Premier League is morally bankrupt.
I couldn't believe what I was reading in some of early messages in this thread - talk about getting the wrong end of the stick!
I’m surprised it hasn’t happened sooner. Most of the big clubs run their own media operations which include TV channels on satellite tv. City v Barnsley on a freezing January Saturday afternoon or Liverpool v Palace available on PPV? There’ll be a market for that domestically and globally they’d make a killing. None of this nonsense of sharing monies out either. The concerning part for me is that this model of TV provision would only sustain a handful of clubs and probably send 100s of local clubs professional, non league and amateur to the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Out of interest, does anyone know City’s viewing figures for the ifollow games currently shown?
Apart from the price difference, isn't this the same as the EFL clubs streaming matches on iFollow?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I think whether or not this deal is reasonable depends entirely on each club's arrangements with its own season ticket holders. For instance, I just Googled Southampton's season tickets for 2020/21. Apparently, their fans get an automatic full refund for every home game that is played behind closed doors, which is entirely fair. It's the fans' own choice as to whether or not they want to pay £15 to watch the game on TV if it hasn't already been selected for live TV coverage by Sky or BT Sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by tforturton
To me, £15 seems a shade expensive, but if you're getting a full refund on your season ticket costs anyway, it's not so bad. And, of course, if you have several family members in the same household who are supporters, it could work out reasonably cheap. One thing's for sure, the TV coverage will be immeasurably better than that which fans of Championship clubs are paying a tenner for. And the deal is also considerably better if Premier League fans are getting full refunds in their season tickets for matches they can't attend.
I don't the full details of the deal City season ticket holders have signed up for this year, but this PPV arrangement in the Premier League seems better all round - provided that, like Southampton fans, all other EPL season ticket holders are getting full refunds for games they can't attend.
Is the same true of the Championship? If not, what's the difference in terms of morals?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Can't see it myself. The Premier League itself is a bigger 'product' than any of its individual clubs and the clubs themselves know that. It's not something that's beyond the realms of possibility, but I just can't see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
That's a more than relevant point at this moment. The Premier League is a fantastic product/cash cow for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I'm still thinking that in the future if proven to be financially beneficial lone clubs would like to negotiate their own tv deals or promote their own tv live match products thus cutting out the middle man tv companies? Its commercialisation and capitalism at work. It's the modern day game.
Yep if they have paid in full for their ST it should be free or the club should be refunding a proportion of the ST for the games they cannot attend because of the pandemic. It’s a lot to fork out.Quote:
Originally Posted by tforturton
To a lesser degree. Championship clubs don’t have tv deals worth over a billion pounds. I would hazard a guess the match day revenue is a much smaller percentage of a clubs turnover at PL level compared to Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
My concern as a sky sports subscriber will be they are going to make the best games PPV. The ones that they would normally show as part of their subscription they will make them PPV and the ones that wouldn’t have been shown live will be the subscription games. Hope to be proven wrong.
In the pub at the moment and thats the conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Personally if that’s where it’s heading I won’t be a sky customer after that, much the same as I never PPV for the Boxing I can live without it.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
https://www.live-footballontv.com/li...all-on-tv.html
Seems to be a mixed bag of the live games with some of the popular games still on sky sports. (City v Arsenal, Utd v chelsea, Utd v Arsenal, etc). This pay per view lark is going direct to the clubs which aren’t covered so sky and bt still have of their normal Saturday and Sunday slots and what looks like the big games.
Will wait and see beyond that I guess.
https://www.live-footballontv.com/ca...ity-on-tv.html
A lot of championship games (Inc ours) live on sky aswell through October.
We all know football is a business. Fans often talk in terms of player purchases or sales as being 'good business' for their clubs. But then the very same fans (and I'm not accusing you of this specifically, by the way) complain about the finances involved in the morally-bankrupt Premier League, which is by all accounts a very successful business.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
The current situation is unprecedented. Nothing like it has ever happened before and nobody was prepared for it. From where I'm sitting, it appears that fans of most, if not all Premier League clubs are getting a much better deal than the fans of Championship clubs. I did a quick bit of poking around earlier and it seems that some Premier League clubs didn't put season tickets on sale at all this season, while some that did are giving pro-rata credits to season ticket holders for all games played behind closed and others are giving full automatic refunds for all such games. Meanwhile, all of their games so far have been available to watch on Sky, BT Sport, Amazon or the BBC and future matches than aren't already scheduled to be televised will be available on a PPV basis at a cost of £15, and the coverage will undoubtedly be first class.
At the same time, season ticket holders at clubs like City seem to be getting the rough end of the stick, with poor-quality TV streams at £10 a shot, an unreliable service and confusing arrangements regarding refunds or credits for matches played behind closed doors.
I honestly don't know too much about the sort of service Championship fans are currently getting. I'm only basing my opinion on what people have been saying on this board. However, I'm pretty sure most would prefer straightforward refunds or credits for matches played behind closed doors with an uncomplicated PPV option for high-quality coverage of the matches they have to miss.
This is going to lead to a rocket in the amount of people watching illegal streams/using iptv
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
You're absolutely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I decided against renewing season tickets for me and my boy this season as I didn't expect us to be allowed to attend until next Spring, fully expecting a second Covid wave. My lad also fancied going around a few Welsh league grounds instead for a year as he likes travelling, though that's obviously not happened so far.
I have no objections to paying to watch our games. However, I'd much rather good coverage and analysis of a game than the average offering the club provides and would happily pay a few quid more for that.
If social media is somehow representative of some of society, I have a hunch that many who are moaning about PPV are those armchair fans who would never consider paying to go to watch their team, but think it's a divine right to be able to watch them for free (or as part of a subscription to a sports channel). These games would never have been covered had crowds been allowed in, so I don't see why, because crowds are still not permitted, everyone should have the opportunity to watch them. We never had that last season in the Championship. I think I'm also right in saying that midweek games are no longer available on the red button.
Id be quite happy to pay nothing for Sky Sports and pay for what I want to watch.
They will never allow that though.
I should cancel my subscription.
Because whereas before say Liverpool vs Man Utd would have been picked for tv coverage, eventually with this model the big ones will probably go to PPV so more people will stream them illegallyQuote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy