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Harris gets us to the play offs , everyone is well chuffed , the team let's him down , the moaners start
We have a poor start to the season , off they go again
We are Cardiff City , not Man United , thank feck
Let their Surrey and Sussex armchair fans whinge like premier league tarts
Get behind Harris , the manager of Cardiff City
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You always come out with this shit Sludge that because we're 'Cardiff City' little club etc... Bradford are bigger... all that bullshit - Honestly f.uck that, we are capital city of Wales, we have a burgeoning population close to 400K, we were in the top 10 for attendances in our last PL spell, we have a billionaire owner, we have reached the two major cup finals in recent-ish years - we might expect not to have to be thinking about being in the same league as the likes of Accrington ****ing Stanley next year!
It is certainly not to much to ask that we should at the very ****ing least be competitive in this league , which we are currently not. We are no Man Utd but this is not our level either and fans are right to be a bit nonplussed by it all.
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Most supporters have realistic expectations of our team and I do believe that most would agree that we over achieved last season.
In normal circumstances, the least we can expect is 100% effort........ that is not the case at the moment. If if was the case, we could say we were unlucky in matches but for some reason we appear to have downed tools.
The harsh reality of this comes back on the man in charge and he is failing to motivate 'his team' (he has had 2 transfer windows so I now class this as his chosen squad)
Yes we have been unlucky with key injuries but the squad is more than capable of getting results if they were put into a more positive formation.
The buck stops with Harris.
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When he took over the target was the playoffs which he achieved.
Personally felt Harris cost us the playoffs with his decision to play a totally out of form Pack. I think we got on a good run and confidence grew after the restart. This season as produced what many of us expected of him when he took over, terrible football and fighting at the wrong end of the table, it was predictable.
He just isn't a very good manager and needs to be replaced.
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Downed tools. That’s the phrase I thought of yesterday. There is clearly a lack of urgency at present. What is causing this?
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Harris gets us to the play offs , everyone is well chuffed , the team let's him down , the moaners start
We have a poor start to the season , off they go again
We are Cardiff City , not Man United , thank feck
Let their Surrey and Sussex armchair fans whinge like premier league tarts
Get behind Harris , the manager of Cardiff City
Amen to that, don't forget the Welsh expert armchairsers
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Dave Blue
Downed tools. That’s the phrase I thought of yesterday. There is clearly a lack of urgency at present. What is causing this?
I wonder if no fan pressures is partly to blame, in the last two games two cracking goals have been scored against us
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blueblade
Most supporters have realistic expectations of our team and I do believe that most would agree that we over achieved last season.
In normal circumstances, the least we can expect is 100% effort........ that is not the case at the moment. If if was the case, we could say we were unlucky in matches but for some reason we appear to have downed tools.
The harsh reality of this comes back on the man in charge and he is failing to motivate 'his team' (he has had 2 transfer windows so I now class this as his chosen squad)
Yes we have been unlucky with key injuries but the squad is more than capable of getting results if they were put into a more positive formation.
The buck stops with Harris.
Precisely. End of story.
The rest is embarrassing waffle.
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Freitag 4.17
we might expect not to have to be thinking about being in the same league as the likes of Accrington ****ing Stanley next year!
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No one with an ounce of common sense is thinking about that after 9 games
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Think most fans just love a whinge. Nothing wrong with that, myself included.
If there's not much to celebrate why not, it's entertaining to have a little rumour and gossip, a little thought of who could take us over and lead us to glory.
Reality is if Harris goes, then in 6 months there's a "would you have Harris back?" thread.
All fun and games.
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why do you always waffle on about plastics?
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delmbox
No one with an ounce of common sense is thinking about that after 9 games
I am.. I'll admit I'm less than sensible though.
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Llandaff Blue
why do you always waffle on about plastics?
Sludge is a closet Gooner, didn’t you know? He’s gooner go on and on about the plastics.
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We don't know what impact the sacking of NML has had on morale
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Armitage Shanks
We don't know what impact the sacking of NML has had on morale
I thought the same.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Harris gets us to the play offs , everyone is well chuffed , the team let's him down , the moaners start
We have a poor start to the season , off they go again
We are Cardiff City , not Man United , thank feck
Let their Surrey and Sussex armchair fans whinge like premier league tarts
Get behind Harris , the manager of Cardiff City
Why might it not have been ‘the team got us to the Playoffs’, in spite of Harris?
All these posters saying we ‘over achieved’ getting to the Playoffs, is absolute nonsense.
I would say our squad and the strength in depth (in spite of a few bum signings), was easily good enough for top 6 last season.
With a hard core of players who’d only been relegated from the Premier League, by two points.
I wasn’t Warnock’s biggest fan towards the end, but I think he would have took us to the Playoffs at least and we’d have had more chance of going up (Harris picking Pack in the Fulham games cost us).
His track record shows, there is no better qualified manager at this level, to get a team promoted.
Harris was a terrible uninspiring appointment, for a team with promotion aspirations.
Look how Millwall dramatically improved since he left, look what Cooper has/is doing at Swansea, with limited resources.
I don’t believe the players respect him or he has the dressing room,
As someone else has posted on this thread, there may be a falling out within the dressing room due to the background of NML’s departure.
We should be busting a guy to entice Howe (which may be unrealistic), or Pearson.
Pearson is a strong personality who would take no crap from the players.
I like Jokanovic as my number 1 choice, but someone pointed out in situ overseas.
If we’re looking for a new manager i really hope the board don’t go for Michael Flynn.
I love the County and he’s doing a great job, but he doesn’t have the experience for a big job like this.
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Originally Posted by
Bluebird23
Why might it not have been ‘the team got us to the Playoffs’, in spite of Harris?
All these posters saying we ‘over achieved’ getting to the Playoffs, is absolute nonsense.
I would say our squad and the strength in depth (in spite of a few bum signings), was easily good enough for top 6 last season.
With a hard core of players who’d only been relegated from the Premier League, by two points.
I wasn’t Warnock’s biggest fan towards the end, but I think he would have took us to the Playoffs at least and we’d have had more chance of going up (Harris picking Pack in the Fulham games cost us).
His track record shows, there is no better qualified manager at this level, to get a team promoted.
Harris was a terrible uninspiring appointment, for a team with promotion aspirations.
Look how Millwall dramatically improved since he left, look what Cooper has/is doing at Swansea, with limited resources.
I don’t believe the players respect him or he has the dressing room,
As someone else has posted on this thread, there may be a falling out within the dressing room due to the background of NML’s departure.
We should be busting a guy to entice Howe (which may be unrealistic), or Pearson.
Pearson is a strong personality who would take no crap from the players.
I like Jokanovic as my number 1 choice, but someone pointed out in situ overseas.
If we’re looking for a new manager i really hope the board don’t go for Michael Flynn.
I love the County and he’s doing a great job, but he doesn’t have the experience for a big job like this.
What makes you think that experience is essential?
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Freitag 4.17
You always come out with this shit Sludge that because we're 'Cardiff City' little club etc... Bradford are bigger... all that bullshit - Honestly f.uck that, we are capital city of Wales, we have a burgeoning population close to 400K, we were in the top 10 for attendances in our last PL spell, we have a billionaire owner, we have reached the two major cup finals in recent-ish years - we might expect not to have to be thinking about being in the same league as the likes of Accrington ****ing Stanley next year!
It is certainly not to much to ask that we should at the very ****ing least be competitive in this league , which we are currently not. We are no Man Utd but this is not our level either and fans are right to be a bit nonplussed by it all.
I beg to differ , I merely state reality .
We are no bigger than a lot of teams in the championship and have no divine right to be a top six team . Bradford is a big city and if they got into the championship would get similar gates to us .
We might be the capital but thats just a name , Edinburgh is the capital of Scotland but celtic and rangers from the much larger Glasgow dominate. Swansea have spent far more years in the top flight recently than we have . Sad , but true . Cardiff is twice the size of Swansea.
We have had a bad start but because Cardiff has a big catchment area does that mean we should be in the Premier league ?
Leeds have spent years trying to get there , forest , Derby etc
I expect a top 8 finish this season , we are stuttering at the moment but ff sake how quickly do we turn ?
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Eric the Half a Bee
What makes you think that experience is essential?
Look at what those brothers did with Lincoln, and everyone saying they were the next big thing.
Then they bombed at Huddersfield.
I think any manager coming in has to command the respect of the changing room.
I don’t think Michael Flynn has that (yet).
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Originally Posted by
blueblade
Most supporters have realistic expectations of our team and I do believe that most would agree that we over achieved last season.
In normal circumstances, the least we can expect is 100% effort........ that is not the case at the moment. If if was the case, we could say we were unlucky in matches but for some reason we appear to have downed tools.
The harsh reality of this comes back on the man in charge and he is failing to motivate 'his team' (he has had 2 transfer windows so I now class this as his chosen squad)
Yes we have been unlucky with key injuries but the squad is more than capable of getting results if they were put into a more positive formation.
The buck stops with Harris.
The buck always stops with the manager but after 9 games ?
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Bobby Dandruff
Precisely. End of story.
The rest is embarrassing waffle.
No manager will ever be good enough for you , all you ever do is moan about the team you say you support
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Llandaff Blue
why do you always waffle on about plastics?
Because some of our fans act like man United fans who want their side to win every bloody game
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delmbox
No one with an ounce of common sense is thinking about that after 9 games
Don't panic ! Don't Panic !
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For once I agree with Sludgey.
This is the first real blip we’ve had under Harris, if you could even call it a blip, god help if we lose 5 on the spin.
Changing a manager mid season annually is not good practice. The squad is far from ideal and the club don’t really want to invest it seems so Harris is still very much working with someone else’s squad. This will be the same problem for the next manager and possibly the one after that if fans are going to demand a manager gets sacked the first time he faces adversity.
I for one hope we give Harris more time, he certainly deserves it after turning last season around.
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Trigger
Think most fans just love a whinge. Nothing wrong with that, myself included.
If there's not much to celebrate why not, it's entertaining to have a little rumour and gossip, a little thought of who could take us over and lead us to glory.
Reality is if Harris goes, then in 6 months there's a "would you have Harris back?" thread.
All fun and games.
I don’t think that is right.
I don’t think that we’ll ever see a ‘would you want Harris back?’ post just as we have never ever seen a ‘would you want Slade back?’ post.
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Sludge, I would say it's all about expectations.
After our promotion immediately after World War 2, we have spent 53 of the 73 seasons inside the top 2 tiers of English football. Between 85/86 and 02/03, we did spend 18 seasons in the bottom two divisions. Since then we've spent 18 seasons above that level. At the end of this season, we'll have spend as long above the bottom two tiers as we spent inside it during those woeful years.
During those 18 seasons we've only been threatened with relegation once, in our second season back in 2004/05. Even then, we were never in the bottom 3 after October. As bad as we started under Trollope, I can't imagine that we were really relegation candidates and I believed that we'd always pull through.
We've not finished in the bottom half of the Championship in our last 10 seasons there, during which time we've won 2 automatic promotions and finished in the playoffs on another 4 occasions. There's also the infamous collapse of the 2008/09 season. 7 of our last 10 Championship seasons have seen a promotion bid. Slade's side finished 8th as well, even though it never really looked like getting in to the top 6 and we've had 2 other top half finishes.
Since that 2003 promotion, only 19 other sides have remained inside the top 2 divisions. We haven't joined the likes of Bolton, Blackpool, Charlton, Sunderland, Wigan, Hull and Bradford, who have dropped out of the top 2 divisions despite playing in the Premier League.
The 18 years we spent in the bottom two divisions, while never to be forgotten, should be about as relevant to fans' current expectation levels as the colour of my pants.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Sludge, I would say it's all about expectations.
After our promotion immediately after World War 2, we have spent 53 of the 73 seasons inside the top 2 tiers of English football. Between 85/86 and 02/03, we did spend 18 seasons in the bottom two divisions. Since then we've spent 18 seasons above that level. At the end of this season, we'll have spend as long above the bottom two tiers as we spent inside it during those woeful years.
During those 18 seasons we've only been threatened with relegation once, in our second season back in 2004/05. Even then, we were never in the bottom 3 after October. As bad as we started under Trollope, I can't imagine that we were really relegation candidates and I believed that we'd always pull through.
We've not finished in the bottom half of the Championship in our last 10 seasons there, during which time we've won 2 automatic promotions and finished in the playoffs on another 4 occasions. There's also the infamous collapse of the 2008/09 season. 7 of our last 10 Championship seasons have seen a promotion bid. Slade's side finished 8th as well, even though it never really looked like getting in to the top 6 and we've had 2 other top half finishes.
Since that 2003 promotion, only 19 other sides have remained inside the top 2 divisions. We haven't joined the likes of Bolton, Blackpool, Charlton, Sunderland, Wigan, Hull and Bradford, who have dropped out of the top 2 divisions despite playing in the Premier League.
The 18 years we spent in the bottom two divisions, while never to be forgotten, should be about as relevant to fans' current expectation levels as the colour of my pants.
What colour are...........
Oh never mind
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SLUDGE FACTORY
No manager will ever be good enough for you , all you ever do is moan about the team you say you support
Well that patently isn't true, if you paid attention.
At least I have some objectivity without blindly following which ever manager is in charge (we all blindly follow the team, but that is our penance being Cardiff City fans) - I'm presuming that you blindly followed Trollope and OGS from your comments?
Embarrassing.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
No manager will ever be good enough for you , all you ever do is moan about the team you say you support
This. He never stood a chance with some.
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Bluebird23
I wasn’t Warnock’s biggest fan towards the end, but I think he would have took us to the Playoffs at least and we’d have had more chance of going up (Harris picking Pack in the Fulham games cost us).
Well that's that then. Obviously a grievous error as Warnock was obviously going to get us promoted.
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Elwood Blues
What colour are...........
Oh never mind
Depends on the time of day.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Sludge, I would say it's all about expectations.
After our promotion immediately after World War 2, we have spent 53 of the 73 seasons inside the top 2 tiers of English football. Between 85/86 and 02/03, we did spend 18 seasons in the bottom two divisions. Since then we've spent 18 seasons above that level. At the end of this season, we'll have spend as long above the bottom two tiers as we spent inside it during those woeful years.
During those 18 seasons we've only been threatened with relegation once, in our second season back in 2004/05. Even then, we were never in the bottom 3 after October. As bad as we started under Trollope, I can't imagine that we were really relegation candidates and I believed that we'd always pull through.
We've not finished in the bottom half of the Championship in our last 10 seasons there, during which time we've won 2 automatic promotions and finished in the playoffs on another 4 occasions. There's also the infamous collapse of the 2008/09 season. 7 of our last 10 Championship seasons have seen a promotion bid. Slade's side finished 8th as well, even though it never really looked like getting in to the top 6 and we've had 2 other top half finishes.
Since that 2003 promotion, only 19 other sides have remained inside the top 2 divisions. We haven't joined the likes of Bolton, Blackpool, Charlton, Sunderland, Wigan, Hull and Bradford, who have dropped out of the top 2 divisions despite playing in the Premier League.
The 18 years we spent in the bottom two divisions, while never to be forgotten, should be about as relevant to fans' current expectation levels as the colour of my pants.
In the 'modern era' of football, ie since TV money and rich owners dominated the game in the top 2 divisions, it's been easier but much more competitive, to achieve a decent level of success. It's enabled clubs like Bournemouth, Watford, Swansea, etc., to have significant spells in the PL with crowds barely touching 20k. This season has been frustrating, especially as it's obvious there's not a lot of football know-how within the club, but pretty much 20 out of the 24 Championship sides can have aspirations of reaching the play offs, so I'd concur. What's a sad indictment of the Club since 1962 however is that we've had just 2 seasons in the top flight out of 58 - a poor return for a City of Cardiff's status.
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A Quiet Monkfish
In the 'modern era' of football, ie since TV money and rich owners dominated the game in the top 2 divisions, it's been easier but much more competitive, to achieve a decent level of success. It's enabled clubs like Bournemouth, Watford, Swansea, etc., to have significant spells in the PL with crowds barely touching 20k. This season has been frustrating, especially as it's obvious there's not a lot of football know-how within the club, but pretty much 20 out of the 24 Championship sides can have aspirations of reaching the play offs, so I'd concur. What's a sad indictment of the Club since 1962 however is that we've had just 2 seasons in the top flight out of 58 - a poor return for a City of Cardiff's status.
Here's all the sides that have spent more time in the top division than us since the 60s.
Huddersfield Town
Bristol City
Notts County
AFC Bournemouth
Hull City
Oldham Athletic
Brighton & Hove Albion
Wigan Athletic
Portsmouth
Swansea City
Blackpool
Luton Town
Charlton Athletic
Watford
Wimbledon
Sheffield United
Bolton Wanderers
Burnley
Fulham
Crystal Palace
Derby County
Birmingham City
Queens Park Rangers
Middlesbrough
Wolverhampton Wanderers
Norwich City
Sunderland
Ipswich Town
Stoke City
Blackburn Rovers
Sheffield Wednesday
West Bromwich Albion
Nottingham Forest
Leicester City
Leeds United
Coventry City
Southampton
Newcastle United
Aston Villa
Manchester City
West Ham United
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal
Manchester United
Tottenham Hotspur
Everton
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Hilts
This. He never stood a chance with some.
See above (but yes, Harris was very few people's first choice)
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Eric the Half a Bee
Here's all the sides that have spent more time in the top division than us since the 60s.
Huddersfield Town
Bristol City
Notts County
AFC Bournemouth
Hull City
Oldham Athletic
Brighton & Hove Albion
Wigan Athletic
Portsmouth
Swansea City
Blackpool
Luton Town
Charlton Athletic
Watford
Wimbledon
Sheffield United
Bolton Wanderers
Burnley
Fulham
Crystal Palace
Derby County
Birmingham City
Queens Park Rangers
Middlesbrough
Wolverhampton Wanderers
Norwich City
Sunderland
Ipswich Town
Stoke City
Blackburn Rovers
Sheffield Wednesday
West Bromwich Albion
Nottingham Forest
Leicester City
Leeds United
Coventry City
Southampton
Newcastle United
Aston Villa
Manchester City
West Ham United
Chelsea
Liverpool
Arsenal
Manchester United
Tottenham Hotspur
Everton
47. That list should be pinned up on the wall of the City boardroom.
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Bobby Dandruff
See above (but yes, Harris was very few people's first choice)
Very true, never wanted him never liked him and don't rate him. If we went up he had to be replaced for sure. When we didn't he had a second chance but has produced what most people expect and needs to be replaced.
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Bluebird23
Why might it not have been ‘the team got us to the Playoffs’, in spite of Harris?
All these posters saying we ‘over achieved’ getting to the Playoffs, is absolute nonsense.
I would say our squad and the strength in depth (in spite of a few bum signings), was easily good enough for top 6 last season.
With a hard core of players who’d only been relegated from the Premier League, by two points.
I wasn’t Warnock’s biggest fan towards the end, but I think he would have took us to the Playoffs at least and we’d have had more chance of going up (Harris picking Pack in the Fulham games cost us).
His track record shows, there is no better qualified manager at this level, to get a team promoted.
Harris was a terrible uninspiring appointment, for a team with promotion aspirations.
Look how Millwall dramatically improved since he left, look what Cooper has/is doing at Swansea, with limited resources.
I don’t believe the players respect him or he has the dressing room,
As someone else has posted on this thread, there may be a falling out within the dressing room due to the background of NML’s departure.
We should be busting a guy to entice Howe (which may be unrealistic), or Pearson.
Pearson is a strong personality who would take no crap from the players.
I like Jokanovic as my number 1 choice, but someone pointed out in situ overseas.
If we’re looking for a new manager i really hope the board don’t go for Michael Flynn.
I love the County and he’s doing a great job, but he doesn’t have the experience for a big job like this.
You are like an annoying stuck record. You only post on here after we lose a couple of games or aren't playing particularly well. Its all drivel and you love starting a rumour. PS. Which guy would you bust to get Howe ?
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2b2bdoo
Very true, never wanted him never liked him and don't rate him. If we went up he had to be replaced for sure. When we didn't he had a second chance but has produced what most people expect and needs to be replaced.
After 9 games !!
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A Quiet Monkfish
47. That list should be pinned up on the wall of the City boardroom.
In most of the tables I've seen which try to put clubs in some sort of order based on historical achievement, trophies won etc. City tend to be in the 30 to 35 range. Given the growth of Cardiff since the fifties, that list Eric produced is pretty embarrassing, as is the two seasons in the top flight in fifty eight stat.
Throughout our hundred years in the Football League, it's probably fair to say our "natural" position is around half way up the second tier, but, as mentioned earlier, I'd say it's undoubtedly true to say that our potential to be better than that has been greater in the second half of that century than it was in the first, yet out record in terms of major trophies won and seasons in the top flight was better during the latter than the former.
It's a shameful statistic that we are the only club to have spent more than one season in the Premier League who have never managed to avoid relegation - those who believe that we're somehow living above our station by thinking in terms of a future where we spend as much time in the Premier League as we do out of it should think again.
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the other bob wilson
In most of the tables I've seen which try to put clubs in some sort of order based on historical achievement, trophies won etc. City tend to be in the 30 to 35 range. Given the growth of Cardiff since the fifties, that list Eric produced is pretty embarrassing, as is the two seasons in the top flight in fifty eight stat.
Throughout our hundred years in the Football League, it's probably fair to say our "natural" position is around half way up the second tier, but, as mentioned earlier, I'd say it's undoubtedly true to say that our potential to be better than that has been greater in the second half of that century than it was in the first, yet out record in terms of major trophies won and seasons in the top flight was better during the latter than the former.
It's a shameful statistic that we are the only club to have spent more than one season in the Premier League who have never managed to avoid relegation - those who believe that we're somehow living above our station by thinking in terms of a future where we spend as much time in the Premier League as we do out of it should think again.
That's pretty much how I see it Paul. City being a mid table 2nd tier club. Interesting that out last three seasons in the top flight 1962, 2014. 2018 have all ended in relegation. That is really poor. Although the last 10 -12 years we have been the best side out of the top division.