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Sack monke
He's 41, what's he on now, his 5th sacking in 5 years? clearly not up to the job, yet he'll join the list of white football blokes who seem to get job after job after failure after failure.
Reckon he’ll be left on the Shelf ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Hello Sol how you doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Sol might get a job in the UK, articulate, verbal on the pitch, a natural leader etc. You reckon he'll get five cracks of the whip in the same number of years? Not a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
Nah, he'll get another job, it may be a level lower though, Bless.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
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Originally Posted by Tuerto
DERBY awaits
Should we move quickly for him now ?
Love him as our manager he's well spoken, meaningful and highly motivated, has a lot experiences from within the game .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I'm surprised Monk beat Cocu in the sack race.
Personally I prefer a tactical genius regardless of colour although I accept there are more white managers on the managerial merry-go-round than black ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Pulis in the frame, Apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
Paul Cook and Nigel Pearson the favourites amongst fans - but Cook hasn't been approached (according to the local media) and Pearson still lives in Sheffield and has always been wary about managing in the city. So Pulis, Sol Campbell, Phil Neville.... hang on a week and they can add Philip Cocu to the possibles list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
What's Russel Slade doing these days ? :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Stripagram, working out of the Grimsby area.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
Because he's a very shit manager. Just because another shit manager gets more work it doesn't mean racism is in play..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Sol is just shit and chats utter shit thats why nobody wants him.
It is weird that there are so few black managers though isn’t it? How many are there in the top 3 English leagues currently?Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
Sorry Stan, i've not got a clue what your point is.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
And is a Tory and has no proven track record as a manager,Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I don't fully understand the Monk sacking. If I read it correctly this morning pressure increased with three bad defeats but they have since had points reduction cut, beaten Bournemouth and drawn with Millwall. Things were much rosier for them as a team and under Monk in past two weeks than they were before that or any time this season, apart from opening day. Think Monk rubs fans and local press up the wrong way more than anything, too ready for a fight?, so when results turn for worse he's out the door whether overall he deserve that or not.
Should we look at why there are so few BAME mangers? Absolutely, but I don't like breaking it down into individual cases. It's a conversation we should have whether or not Sol should be a manager/should have opportunities at a higher level and weighing that up against other's merits who haven't asked to join this part of the conversation.
My point was quite simple. Would an ex black footballer get as many opportunities to fail as Monk has? I seriously doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
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Originally Posted by Tuerto
Racist colonizer!
Is it though? Most of the managers in the top leagues would have retired in the last 10/20 years, what percentage of the players were black in the 2000s? How many were British and stayed in the UK to complete badges? What is the actual percentage of black players who take badges?Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I don't doubt some racism has played a part in some situations but it's a bit simplistic reducing the entire situation to racism in my opinion. Take Danny Rose example, he said he won't bother taking his badges because he "knows" he won't get a job after he completes them, how does that help the situation in the slightest.
I don't want to comment on an individual or make specicific comparison, especially when I have so little to go on. BAME potential managers deserve more, at least a proper conversation, about why there are so few of them throughout the league's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I am not naive enough to not think that a lot still needs to be done about racism of all sorts in many industries and that football hasn't escaped at least part of this but I would say that football is one of the more inclusive professions that employs based on ability, maybe due to being such a results driven business.
How many black players are there in the Premier League for example? If we are to believe that there is prejudice against black managers in this country within football then we are to believe that owners are fine with employing black players to benefit their clubs but overlook a better manager because of the colour of his skin. I'm sorry but if a manager is the best candidate and is going to benefit that club more than any other candidate then he gets the job.
It goes on but if an owner/chairman was racist to that level then surely you would see playing squads showing evidence of this too, not just managerial positions.
I would agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
It would be interesting to see the percentage of black men who applied for the positions. If this is say 5% of total people applying then it would go some way to explaining the low numbers in general.
I'd say it was more than 0%. Weren't there loads of black footballers in the 2000s? I'd say more than 10% easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
People were making the same agruments when there were no black managers in the early 00s too but we've always had loads of black players in this country. There has to be a reason why there are so few black managers.
I think the argument is the same as in a lot of industries. The racism isn't obvious racism it's that they think black players as performers is fine but not as competent enough to manage.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Surely there has to be an explanation of why there are so few black managers. We always hear the best for the job argument but why wouldn't there be any black managers who are good enough for the job?
Football isn't as bad as other industries but it could still improve. I was reading something the other day about the first black baseball player was seen as being the first black player who was "good enough" but it wasn't actually true it had just been that systematic and societal racism has stopped any previous black players from reaching that level.
He kept the Jacks in the Premier League, Warnock couldn’t do that with us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I've got a little feeling that the two of you are talking about different black men called Sol.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
He kept an established Premier League team in the Premier League... what a shock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto13
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Originally Posted by Heisenberg
He actually took them to their highest position in Premier League!Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
It's because they're not trusted. 40 years ago there were fans, club owners, managers and players who believed that black players were soft, didn't fancy it when it got a bit tough or the weather was cold, lazy etc. For years we also witnessed racial stereotyping with black players by white coaches, there was an abundance of very quick, skillful wide players, attack minded but very little in the way of the proverbial hard working, no nonsense, grating midfielder or the defender who put his body in front of almost anything. Some white football coaches didn't think that black players in this country had that discipline, desire etc in the same way that a white player did. Black players were identified based on pace and ability to get past defenders. Thankfully, we've come out of that now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
The next hurdle faced for black players is getting into positions of power after they've finished playing, like management, top level coaching, director of football, boardroom etc. It seems that they're facing the same racist stereotypical profiling that was prevalent all those years ago when gifted black players burst onto the scene. It's a form of covert racism in my opinion, Not enough black men are in positions of power or where big decisions are made, yet i think that black players make up 35% of pro footballers in this country. Something is very wrong.
Yup, although he's been ****ed off 5 times in 6 years. No black footballer would be allowed that many chances, certainly not at the same level (championship) That's the point i'm making, i don't really care about the position swansea finished in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto13
Hey, I didn't make you write your initial post which didn't prove anything about his ability to manage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ianto13
Maybe you should have started with this one :hehe: