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Lost interest after that I did.
Where was it you said you were going Mate?
Pontcanna right?
Interesting that you are still corresponding about City 50 years after losing interest. 950 posts on this site alone!!��
City lost more support after his departure than they did when VT changed the shirt colour to red.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
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And a long, painful, decline in the fortune of Cardiff City FC for decades thereafter. I wonder how many fans changed their allegiance to Liverpool when he left? I was only 10 at the time but remember Toshack leaving and realising that the dream of Division 1 was gone.
He was always going to be too good for us. So many supporters were lost after he was sold but many came back when his replacement -Alan Worboys - couldn't stop scoring. The Clark/Toshack partnership was however far and way the best pair of strikers seen at the City in the 62 years I have been supporting the club.
Probably around a thousand compared to 500.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Actually City's results for the rest of that season were statistically better after Toshack's departure, and it was an end-of-season blip that cost us promotion. Also attendances were pretty much the same for the remaining home games, and again for the following season..
I've heard this book has the most detailed and complete account of the Toshack transfer anywhere :hehe:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Real-Madrid.../dp/B08KGGTP1M
Correct me if I'm wrong was this just after we hammard hull city 5--2
And from memory Toshack scored a hat trick wearing the Number 8 shirt instead of his usual Number 10. I could be wrong; it was 50 years ago and my memory is not too good.Quote:
Originally Posted by lennybluebird
City's league record when they sold Toshack was played 16, won eight, drawn six and lost 2 which gave them 22 points under the old . two points for a win system. Their record after Toshack left was played 26, won 12, drawn 7 and lost 7 which makes 31 points. There's not a huge amount of difference, but our record pre Toshack's sale is clearly superior.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
As for attendances, City had gates of above twenty thousand for all but six of their twenty one home matches in 70/71 with five of those coming after Toshack's transfer. In 71/72, there were only two league crowds above twenty thousand and our average gate dropped from 21.522 in 70/71 to 15.510 in 71/72, but I'm not sure how much that drop could be put down to the Toshack sale because there were over 23,000 at Ninian Park for the opening game of that season against Burnley at Ninian Park where we let slip a 2-0 half time lead to draw 2-2. When that poor result was followed by two heavy away defeats, the gate for the next home match had dropped by six thousand and that became a good figure that year as the season developed into a relegation battle, so it's probably true to say poor results were more responsible for the drop in attendances although anger at the Toshack sale may have meant there was less patience from supporters when things started to go wrong on the pitch.
No, you're right, Toshack wore the number eight shirt for his final three matches for us (Hull, Nantes away and QPR). Brian Clark was dropped for those games and, for some reason, Toshack was given his number eight shirt and Bobby Woodruff wore number ten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
By the way, the Hull match ended 5-1 to us, not 5-2 as mentioned above.
Bizarrely that is the chapter I am up too. Quite like Mrs Toshack’s white boots.
I was gutted when Aaron ramsey and Nathan Blake were sold but still support cardiff . I genuinely did meet a bloke who whilst wearing a West ham shirt in the butchers Arms in canton told me he hadn't been down since we sold toshack so I told the silly old **** to shove his shirt up his arse
I'm sure there was a story somewhere at the time that she was wearing red hot pants that day :sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Majorblue
Bob, I was convinced that when we beat QPR away 0-1, it was the first game we played after the sale of Tosh but it looks like I got that wrong and he was still with us at the time. Didn't Leighton Phillips score the winner at QPR ?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
memory slip - thought the following yr was 70/71.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I think we sold Toshack for £110,0000. We bought Warboys for £42,000. That's a net profit of £68,000. In 1970 in footballing terms, a significant amount, but surely not worth jeopardizing potential promotion..
Yes, Leighton Phillips scored, it was Toshack's last game;-Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuc9...ffCityClassics
Same with the red shirt fiasco. There was no drop in crowds after we went red. Crowds increased in the PL, then dropped back a little to our Championship winning season following relegation. Our worst average attendance at Championship level since the cup final season (when we were at Ninian Park) was the full season under Russell Slade. Our attendance was better in the Championship following relegation, when we wore red for part of it, than it was when we finished 2nd under Warnock.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Cheers Bob, what a fantastic video, one that I'd not seen before. You can see from the clip that we were a half decent side. And what a goal it was ! That was 'my' team although by then I'd already been going down the City for 6 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I think there was also a five or six week gap before buying warboys
I see Rodney Marsh was playing in that clip for QPR as was Phil Parkes in goal. Could that have been Terry Venables also on the field?
Yes, he missed a penalty in that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
And Frank Saul, scorer of a cup final goal. And Gerry Francis too. Quite a collection of players in that QPR team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Not forgetting Tony Evans , Earnshaw, Chopp'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
bloody good sideQuote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
Yes, there was, Toshack left on something like 10 November and Warboys did'nt make his debut until Boxing Day.Quote:
Originally Posted by lennybluebird
Bizarrely, both Tosh and Warboys had an identical strike rate for us - 0.45 goals per game (actually Tosh edged it by 0.006 goals per game !)Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
If every football fan gave up after their team sold their best player to a bigger club the terraces around the country would have been empty way before Covid kicked in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
I have only been upset at player sales a few times at City. The first I think was the worst when Toshack went, absolutely gutted, and kept an eye on Liverpool for the next few years, not that I was a fan of course. I was at NP watching Warboys and Clark. Everyone like Warboys and we sold him for £25,000 and got Gil Reece and Dave Powell in part/ex. I was sad when both Clark and Warboys were sold, and Ian Gibson, but they were all good deals, its; just they were not adequately replaced.
I was upset when Tony Evans went and and even more so when he came back and scored two for Birmingham!
Nathan Blake leaving was a big disappointment. Ramsey not so as it was to be expected.
And last year I did like Manga and Zohore, even though we got good fees they were replaced with lesser players.
While that is true the circumstances of Toshack's sale was different. We were at the top of the League (or second) challenging for promotion to the old Division 1 and we sold our top goalscorer. The main complaint at the time was the complete lack of ambition shown by the Board and if they couldn't support the club why should we.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
5 - 1 :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by lennybluebird
I know. I remember it well. It still seems a very churlish reason to stop supporting one's football team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
Didn’t Shankly tell her that she needed to bin the blue coat that she’d turned up in?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I didn't have you down as an oldie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
It was something like that wasn't it, I'm sure there was some comment about what she was wearing when she first arrived in Liverpool.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Laughing here. Is it because I haven't yet started a thread about Sanatogen, aches and pains and Dubbin?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
All of the above. I've some blood pressure tablets and statins if you need them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie