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And it had to be Millwall. (but also Colchester)
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And it had to be Millwall. (but also Colchester)
Here you go:Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK381tih-rM
Have you read the comments? Bonkers. Good to see that good old fashioned racism is still alive and well in 2020.
Should be easy to ban them, as they got the names of everyone who attended
Make Millwall play behind closed doors
Not shocked I witnessed at the Old Den that nasty behavour , spotted a few of them sporting white KKK hats in the ground .
Very ugly day for us , big ruck in town centre where our coach got stuck outside Woollies, we had to enlighten rather quickly, few boys stabbed.
Brian Clarke was playing for them back then .
I bet many of those who booed did the same to their team at the final whistle. Well, if I was a Millwall player, I wouldn't bust a gut for that lot and so I wonder if what happened before the game may have had a slight influence on what happened during the ninety minutes?
There have been plenty of times when I think Millwall fans have behaved shockingly down the years and it has annoyed me to see City fans often compared to them - we certainly weren't angels when hooliganism was more widespread than it is now and I'm not saying there aren't racists in our support, but we've never been racist as an entity like Millwall appear to be. I'm not saying all Millwall fans are racists, but there's enough evidence down the years to show that too many of them are.
Yes, the comments shoked me too, far more than the actual videoQuote:
Originally Posted by Re-sign Carl Dale
Trouble is Tony, Millwall only have about 3,000 Season Ticket holders. In the region of 2,000 of them were selected to attend yesterday. Ban those and it leaves you with, err, 1,000 fans to attend games when all this is over. A tricky conundrum ehQuote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
I can’t imagine hearing that as a player and wanting to do my best for that rabble.
All the "BLM ARE MARXIST" comments, I'd love to ask some of those Millwall fans what that means :hehe:
In history every single civil rights movement has been attacked like this in an effort to de-legitimise it or give some warped sense of justification to conscious/unconscious racists - it's nothing new I'm afraid. Interested to know where the average City fan stands on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
The comments beneath that YouTube video are disgusting, I suggest at our first game back a loud round of applause to drown out any idiotic jeerers, we must not stand back and let our club be dragged through the dirt.
Love it , the whole country are behind ya !
Speak for yourself you bonehead
They probably have Groucho and Harpo in mind....Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Too ****ing rightQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
For younger viewers this is the art of wit in actionQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Exactly. Marxist is a buzzword pejorative among the right. How many of them do you think have read Das Kapital? Or even looked it up on Wikipedia? Or even know that there was a person named Karl Marx?Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
https://twitter.com/Ckharriott/statu...737138179?s=20
Colchester as well, although less numbers.
Incidentally, the guy who wrote the first reply on that twitter thread looks EXACTLY how you'd imagine him to :hehe:
What I've always found strange is that Marxism is a perfectly legitimate political view, its one of the 3 mainstream ideologies in academic international relations, but certain people go on about it like its FascismQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Reminds me when the statue w*nkers were screaming about their beloved Churchill statue was under threat by "those BLM thugs". They're cheering from the sidelines whenever Karl Marx's grave in London gets vandalized though.
I see that Tory minister was on Sky News this morning - the first thing he did was call BLM a "political movement" which meant Millwall fans were entitled to boo the kneeling. Dog whistles getting louder.
Talk Radio's take on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FK5bixtGzA
Christ the comments on that are shockingQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
O'Neill's just another rent-a-tw@t who should be nowhere near the position he's in and says whatever's controversial just to get more air time
Brendan O'Neill was "cancelled", so he's on the BBC, Spiked, TalkRadio, the Spectator etc etc :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Colchester taking a different approach to Millwall: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55213641
Those comments hurt my brain.
I can't believe people are so stupid.
BLM a billionaire supported Marxist, Fascist and Communist political movement - morons or bots?
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Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
I haven’t lived in blighty for ages, but in that radio clip they keep mentioning George Floyd. Surely they have gotten the wrong end of the stick? The Black Lives Matter action in football grounds in the UK is nothing to do with that, surely? It’s message is anti-racism, isn’t it?
Just for clarity, BLM in the USA was created with, and continues to be financially supported by, the Open Society Foundation, which is In effect George Soros, the well-known billionaire who famously “broke the Bank of England”
Until recently, BLM in the USA was openly Marxist, as mentioned on their website. However, public awareness and criticism, along with cuts in financial support from many big corporations, saw BLM remove references to Marxism and their wish to destroy the nuclear family. Many corporate sponsors walked away from BLM as they appeared to not actually provide financial support to small black businesses or small good causes. From memory, I think big companies such as Boeing and AT&T withdrew funding and instead set up their own grassroots foundations to provide help where it was really needed, such as the support and creation of new black-owned businesses and support for youth groups and funding for schools/education.
Not sure where “fascist” comes from in relation to BLM, though.
Why is marxism seen as such a bad thing?
Doesn't open society just fund civil rights movements and things like that? It seems a bit disingenuous to say it was created by them and George Soros.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond
Almost seems like a bit of alt right propaganda trying to undermine what is basically a rich man supporting good causes.
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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I was adding clarity to comments made by another poster. BLM IS a political movement, it IS supported by a billionaire and it DID espouse Marxist ideology, removing references to Marxism from its website just recently.
As for Marxism....
obviously, we still have the bourgeoisie and the proletariat. The former are getting richer as they control politicians, who make decisions (and laws) on their behalf. We are seeing a steady wealth (and power) distribution In favour of the rich. Profit actually IS a kind of theft. (Unless WE are the ones making the profit, of course😄)
Marxism would be wonderful, but, human nature is such that the decision-makers are prone to seeing themselves as better than the proles and will almost certainly become the new bourgeoisie.
Anyway........
Going back to the topic, football needs to get rid of the BLM connection as it was made in haste and was ill-advised, IMHO. Football should have it’s own anti-racism campaign, which, if created in conjunction with lots of stakeholders, should have a greater impact and universal support.
Also, football clubs are private businesses, so have the right to ban people from their premises. I don’t think people should be banned for booing, but they should be banned for using racist language. Ban a racist and that’s one less for the rest of us to suffer.
This doesn't explain why Marxism is seen so negatively though does it? It's just why every political ideology doesn't work.Quote:
Marxism would be wonderful, but, human nature is such that the decision-makers are prone to seeing themselves as better than the proles and will almost certainly become the new bourgeoisie.
I would imagine it is seen negatively because of its (perceived/purported) application in Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba and Eastern Bloc countries. Now, I realise that Stalin, Mao, etc didn’t correctly apply Marxist principles, but people’s perception is that it didn’t work. I can’t think of one country that has ever correctly/successfully lived Marxism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
There are other, obvious, reasons why Marxism isn’t thought of positively. If you were one of the parasite class and owned the banks and the media and BlackRock and Vanguard, etc, etc, would you allow your newspapers, tv, movies or websites to promote an ideology that is totally opposed to that which keeps you rich and powerful? Of course not.
Oh, and the reason why society is constantly being promoted as being so divided is because those that own the media want it that way. Imagine how dangerous it could be For them if all the blacks and whites, Catholics and Protestants, Jews and Muslims, straights and gays, male and female, pro brexit and anti brexit, Democrat and republican, labour and tory were all as one, instead of divided.
A few years ago, you used to say that Islam was going to take over western society.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond