BLM - Will you boo kneeling when we're back ?
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BLM - Will you boo kneeling when we're back ?
Yes
No
LFW
Just interested...any comments would be 👍
I certainly didn’t boo yesterday and would never boo anyway.
No.
Nope, I would join in or applaud to show solidarity.
I have moaned about racism, from a British Asian’s perspective, in the past, but tbh BlPoC have it worse than me, both here and in the USA. I have seen my black friends face worse treatment than me. Anyone who boos is, to put it frankly, an entitled **** and should get a grip
No
I grew up in the valleys where racism is rife, it still is. I’ve said things I’m not proud of from a race perspective. I now have black friends from different parts of Wales and the UK and I try and see things from their perspective. I now argue with other friends and family who come out with such nonsense about how their fed up of seeing more black people on tv or the taking of the knee.
Personally, I don’t look at the taking the knee as a Marxist political movement, anyone using that excuse is just a closet racist imo. To me it’s about black people wanting to be respected too not that only black lives matter. It’s bringing awareness to a problem within our society and if people are going to froth at the mouth or boo over a simple 3 second knee bend then they need to take a long hard look at themselves.
No
I'm fascinated whether anyone is going to vote yes and, less likely, admit to doing so.
It's a bit like a general election, i always play the game of count the placard, in support of a certain political party, it's as close as i can get, while on my travels, in order to gauge political allegiance in certain areas and roads. There's always alack of 'Blue' especially in the more lower middle class, working class areas. That doesn't seem to tally up when we get the results though. Basically, nobody is going to openly admit that they'd boo the BLM protest in the same way some people wont admit that they vote Tory-The only conclusion i can draw from my findings is that both actions are wrong and that the people who do it, know they're wrong :hehe:
Why would anyone that's not a racist boo? It takes a few seconds and all it does is remind us that racism exists and that we should do something about it. An uncomfortable fact for us white folk, but also an undeniable one.
If you don't like it, think of it like this: it's a (very) short advert for something you don't want. You can put up with that, can't you?
Looking at the booing its probably a case for taking the knee in football no longer doing what it set out to do originally. Probably a new tact has to be taken to stop a wedge being driven through the issue putting people on one side of the argument or the other.
Just have a look at the comments section about the booing on ANY daily mail article to see what people really when anonymous. Few will boo and even less will admit to doing so on an internet forum. Whilst I can agree politics shouldn't really have a place in sport, quite frankly the booing both saddens and disgusts me.
I wouldn't have thought that many if any Cardiff fans would boo, and if they did, as a collective we'd stamp it out. But I suppose we shall see.
These are just the moderated comments that got through the filters too.
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I know the Tories took a hell of a beating in 1997, but I had a grudging respect for the family that lived about five houses away from me because they had the only Conservative placard or poster I saw in the build up to the election in their window. Clearly there were millions of people who voted Tory that year and yet hardly anyone would admit to it - seems like its always been the case mind.
You only had to read some of the comments and abuse Anton Ferdinand took on social media on Monday after his documentary aired to know that racism is still very much alive and kicking in this country and within football.
I had a look on a Millwall forum yesterday to see what their own reaction was like, I couldn't believe what I was reading, some shameful stuff on there
I too would like to think Cardiff wouldn't boo the way Millwall did but looking at the other board I'm not certain it would be silent
Anybody who misinterprets that 'Black Lives Matter' as meaning 'Only Black Lives Matter' probably thought that the slogan 'Free Nelson Mandela' meant that everyone else incarcerated in apartheid-South Africa should remain in prison....
I doubt whether anyone with an ounce of common sense voted "Yes. The Millwall fans who booed really are stupid. If they don't like footballers taking the knee the last thing they should do is boo or protest as that has now ensured the practice will continue for probably a very long time.
I wonder what the football authorities think about whether taking the knee at kick off time should last indefinitely; will there be an alternative or will it have an end date or like clapping for the NHS which of course was done for entirely different reasons. Over time taking the knee may lose its impact but for the foreseeable future Millwall supporters have ensured the practice will continue.
I'd never boo , however I do think taking the knee needs to have an end date as Vindec wisely suggests .
There are probably footballers who have a view not to take the knee but do so because the sport and society would badly judge them, as we saw in Formula one not everyone wants too, that choice shouldn't not equate them as racists in my view .
Difficult question now (for all us ?)does this credible gesture have a permanence in football and sport ???
As we have 100% agreement in the poll, I will try and spark some debate by playing devils advocate.
I would not Boo black lives matter, I fully respect the right of people to peacefully protest against injustice, discrimination and racism of all kinds. However I do not support elements of the movement and therefore I personally if on a football pitch would not want to kneel, as this would be a contradiction to some of my principles, and hopefully I could show my solidarity in another way.
But would my refusal to kneel automatically brand me a racist?
Unfortunately I believe for many not wanting to kneel would open me up for immediate criticism.
This fact alone is one of my complaints, I am not a big fan of the: 'You are either with us or against us mentality' that surrounds the movement.
One of my biggest complaints is the organisers and individuals who have spoken for BLM. Primarily at rallies in the USA, These individual's are mainly college students who are self declared Marxist, proponents of identity politics and are using BLM to promote their political views, for example the Defund the Police movement.
As someone who is not a supporter of socialist's policy, Does not agree with the practicalities around defunding the police, and believes identity politics is extremely dangerous and does nothing but to further segregate and divide people than bring us together.
I also found it concerning, that while the world was under the strictest lockdown measures, the media and commentators tried to promote a narrative, that the protests of tens of thousands of people shouting in close proximity would not/did not contribute to the consequential covid spikes in the following 1-2 weeks.
In a fantastic paradox of the only thing worse than putting others peoples lives at risk via covid, is racism and therefore protests are justified.
In another example, remember the BLM police free zone?
Hundreds of protesters took over several blocks of Seattle and transformed it into the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, or “Chaz”, helping to amplify nationwide protests while offering a real-world example of what a community can look like without police.
within days, they became exactly what they claimed to hate, they put up walls, implemented their own policing and enforcement, beat up press and residents who resisted the takeover of their homes and businesses, and were allegations of shootings and sexual assaults' within the zone, that could not be investigated.
The Whole situation literally reads straight out of George Orwells, Animal Farm. And people should remember that history teaches us that the far left is just as dangerous as the far right.
It should continue until we see more of a level playing field, until we see black people given opportunities in positions of real responsibility and power. In football, black players weren't trusted by the racists in the 70's, 80's to put a shift in, didn't fancy it if things got a bit tough for them, didn't like the cold and didn't respond to criticism well, as players, they've got over that racist hurdle, it took long enough.
Now it's at the management level where black ex footballers with the relevant badges and training can't get a look in. Look at Sol Campbell, a world class player, yet he had to cut his teeth at Macclesfield, a club who were fighting to stay in the league as well as bankrupt. Compare that to other players with a similar pedigree-Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, jonathan woodgate,Nigel clough, Bryan Robson, Terry Butcher, Peter reid etc, all walked into decent jobs when they finished playing. Look at Paul Ince, Captain of England, played for Liverpool, Man utd and inter milan, had to start his journey at Macclesfield. John Barnes didn't get a sniff after things went wrong at celtic, yet a white player as decorated as he is would have got another gig, just lower down, and that's from his mouth.
How can someone who has failed as much (and really doesn't have any more to offer the game) as Steve cotterill be on his tenth managerial appointment at Shrewsbury? It's plain racism, a black manager wouldn't get past the second appointment.
I think that you can respect something even if parts of it don't agree with the way you see things. The overall message is a
positive one. I don't like the fact that this country sent troops into countries where we had no business, killing thousands, wrecking lives and economies, in turn for financial gain, basically creating civil wars in some regions. Would i stand in respect for a fallen british soldier-Absolutely i would, even if i don't agree with him being their in the first place. It's the establishment i'm protesting against, not the poor kid who was blown up. Same with my support for BLM, i can put certain aspects of it aside, if i need to.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that the message is inappropriate but you have to admit that, if the practice continues at kick off time indefinitely, the message will get stale. Perhaps for next season taking the knee could be introduced at a different time, for example at the beginning of the second half, or at the end of the match just to freshen the message up. Ultimately the authorities will have to decide whether the practice of taking the knee will continue after that.
Why do you think it will get stale, and what are you basing your opinion on? it's not a marketing ploy, maybe what you're saying is that it will start annoying a certain demographic a bit more, the longer it goes on-Racism doesn't stop, can't see why taking the knee has to.
Wouldn't we be better doing something about it rather than acknowledging it? The fact that society is unequal towards poor (often non-white) people is only a shock to racists and idiots. The arena we pick to take the knee and demonstrate how bad the problem is? Sport - the one area where talent and genetics wins the day (over connections and nepotism) and black people are ****ing killing it.
Part of the problem with the BLM movement is how strongly it is tied to American politics and the incredibly polarised nature of it but we should try and separate the issue from the pantomime as much as possible. The issue is structural racism and by taking a knee in the UK you aren't supporting defunding the police or Chaz in America and by not taking a knee you aren't a skinhead Nazi.
My concern is that this is 'clapping the NHS' all over again, it gives people who wouldn't lift a finger to force the kind of positive change that is required (and quite often would vote directly against it) an easy way to pretend they are on the right side of history.
Acknowledging it and doing something about it aren't mutually exclusive though are they? And racism is rife in sport, football especially, regardless of if "black people are killing it" so it's a great arena to acknowledge it, although it's not the only one which does, which is what you seem to be suggesting