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Been talking to my lads earlier about how Wales have produced some amazing footballers over the years with some being the best in their position in the world at a particular time. I don't know enough going back so far but what would be an all time Wales 1-11 selecting players from every era. ie Big Nev, John Charles, Cliff Jones, Rush Bale Giggs and Toshack can all play in the same team.
I always struggle with the defence on this subject and end up sticking John Charles at Centre Back with Kevin Ratcliffe.
I couldn’t say who our best fullbacks have been.
Joey Jones?
Stuart Williams, Graham Williams, Peter Rodrigues, Alf Sherwood from days gone by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
Southall
Sherwood
England
Ratcliffe
Ben Davies
Meredith
Allen
Speed
Bale
Charles
Rush
Subs
Hennessey
Williams
Yorath
Ramsey
Cliff Jones
Ron Davies
Mark Hughes
Can't believe I couldn't get Mark Hughes in the starting eleven, it could be done by moving John Charles to centre half instead of Mike England I suppose, but I wanted to have him up front.
no Giggs?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Probably “withdrew” due to “injury”Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Ashamed to say I forgot all about him:hehe:. However, apart from some of his early internationals, I can't remember too many great performances from Giggs in a Wales shirt - he'd be in competition with Gareth Bale and Billy Meredith for a place in my team and I'd definitely have Bale in front of him as much for how their commitment to Wales compared as anything, while Meredith is an iconic figure in the game's history. I'm happy to keep the starting eleven as it is, but Giggs should be one of the subs, so he can come in for Cliff Jones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Who is Allen? Not Joe Allen surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Yes, he was superb in our best performance in a major tournament and we don't half miss him when he's not available. The team I picked needed a sitting midfield player and I think Allen has done that job as well as anyone I've seen play it - I would have picked Aaron Ramsey in the starting eleven as well, but he has missed too many matches down the years for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Bale is now probably the best Welsh player ive seen.
Id have to fit Curtis in somewhere.
Hey its your team. I dont think id fit him in a third team. Ramsey is levels above him. Id even fit in Hughes there.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I think id go bonkers if this was reality and no Ramsey Curtis or Hughes and Joe Allen on the pitch.
No mention of Ivor Allchurch?
Allchurch was in my team at first, then on the bench, but I had too many attacking players and he was the one to drop out to get someone like Yorath (who was versatile and could cover a few positions) in the squad.
Bit harsh this, he's had more caps than AllenQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Soothall Speed Ratcliffe Gabbidon Davies Giggs Ramsey Hughes Curtis Bale
Id liked to have had Robbie James in as well.
Can’t see any mention of Ron & Wyn Davis (spelling) for the bench
Not putting this name forward, but who was the short arsed bearded fella from Brum ?
Just come to me, Trevor Hockey , wasn’t it ?
Ron Davies is a sub in my team, I'd have Toshack in the squad before Wyn Davies.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
You won't get a bigger Ramsey fan than me and, clearly, what happened with the Shawcross horror tackle should not be held against him, but, leaving that injury aside, he has missed so many games down the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
He has, which is a shame. On another note, I googled Aaron Ramsey to check his cap record because I had an inkling he still had a decent amount of caps, and I see it's being suggested again that he's going to be used in a swap deal because Juve don't want him..."Juventus keen to axe flop" for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
This is after a Daily Mail article last week calling him the worst Juventus signing in 5 years https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ears-move.html
As soon as Pirlo came in they were saying he didn't rate him, he's going to go etc but he's in the starting lineup pretty consistently and was the best player on the pitch against Barcelona the other day. I don't really understand this weird agenda against him
Would have to be the best team of my time as I honestly have no perspective sadly on John Charles, Alf Sherwood or Billy Meredith... mine is then similar to Hilts list. I’d play 3-5-2 to try and accommodate the players I’d want
Southall
Gabbidon
Ratcliffe
Davies
Speed
Ramsey
Bellamy
Giggs
Bale
Toshack
Rush
Subs:
Hughes
Saunders
Allen
Sprake
Robbie James
Leighton James (begrudgingly)
Southall should be a shoe in for ‘keeper but I’ll throw in a honorary mention for Arsenal stalwart Jack Kelsey.
Ivor Allchurch in place of Joe AllenQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Southall
James Charles Ratcliffe Speed
Bale Ramsey Giggs
Saunders Rush Hughes
It does say of all time yet no mention of Fred Keenor, as well as our Cup winning skipper he also captained Wales to Home International success, when it really was a big deal and we were often shorn of first choice players due to English clubs being allowed to not release them.
No mention of Delaney who was one of the best fullbacks in pl for years.
Good shout:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by mazadona10