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Why oh why did we bother to sign Harry Wilson?
Neil Harris is making him look like a mug!
Our tactics coupled with playing him out wide mean that the only effect he can have on the game is the occasional free kick.
What a complete waste of a talent.
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Re: Why oh why did we bother to sign Harry Wilson?
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Originally Posted by
blueblade
Neil Harris is making him look like a mug!
Our tactics coupled with playing him out wide mean that the only effect he can have on the game is the occasional free kick.
What a complete waste of a talent.
I thought he was a winger? Don’t they usually play out wide? Also, doesn’t the player himself have a responsibility to get involved in games?
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Wasn't he a winger, and not a 10 ??
From Weeds :
Rumours have begun to circulate recently that Leeds are interested in signing Liverpool’s Harry Wilson and believe they can get him for a fee of around £15 million.
He is a player that Victor Orta has been interested*in for some time and he reportedly impressed Marcelo Bielsa a lot during his period at Derby. In light of this, this scout report will attempt to break down his attributes and how he would fit in at Leeds United.
What would his position be?
For Leeds fans, these rumours have brought up a question. The Welshman has played on the right-wing for the vast majority of his career in senior football, so: why do Leeds want Wilson when they’ve just made Helder Costa a permanent signing? Don’t they play the same position?
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Plays as a winger for Wales too or at least on the flanks
for us he would slot in perfectly at 10 but lets make no mistakes that's not where he's played for the majority of his career from what I've seen
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Re: Why oh why did we bother to sign Harry Wilson?
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The Lone Gunman
I thought he was a winger? Don’t they usually play out wide? Also, doesn’t the player himself have a responsibility to get involved in games?
Derby & Bournemouth played him more as a 'tuck-in' winger as opposed to one that hogs the touchline. I do agree that he has a responsibility to get involved but it doesn't help that our midfield, whether it be Ralls, Vaulks, Bacuna or Pack always look to play the ball out to the full back.
Ojo & Wilson are completely starved of any decent ball in space.
I find Swansea's style quite boring on the eye but there is little doubt that Wilson would thrive in their set up.
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The Lone Gunman
I thought he was a winger? Don’t they usually play out wide? Also, doesn’t the player himself have a responsibility to get involved in games?
Exactly. He was completely wasted in a defensive position.
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The Lone Gunman
I thought he was a winger? Don’t they usually play out wide? Also, doesn’t the player himself have a responsibility to get involved in games?
When Harris gets the chop why don’t you apply for the vacant position, I’m sure you could show the board and Tan how things should be done.
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Cleve van Leef
When Harris gets the chop why don’t you apply for the vacant position, I’m sure you could show the board and Tan how things should be done.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I've no idea what it has to do with Harry Wilson or why you've chosen to make such a remark, but thanks all the same.
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The Lone Gunman
I thought he was a winger? Don’t they usually play out wide? Also, doesn’t the player himself have a responsibility to get involved in games?
Ah no you see everything bad at Cardiff City is the fault of Neil Harris whilst everything good is down to the players
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I can't see what's in it for him or for Liverpool. There's not even that much in it for Cardiff City. He's a good player, but he's not exactly a difference-maker for us. As much as it pains me to say it, he probably would have been better off with Swansea.
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It's Harry Wilson you're talking about? Bournemouth, Derby, Liverpool reserves' Harry Wilson?
He's good, he will be a decent prem player but we shouldn't pretend he is so far above us. He himself should be able to influence the game more if he were.
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Re: Why oh why did we bother to sign Harry Wilson?
[QUOTE=blueblade;5145419]Neil Harris is making him look like a mug!
Our tactics coupled with playing him out wide mean that the only effect he can have on the game is the occasional free kick.
What a complete waste of a talent.[/QUOTE
I’m not sure what his best position is. He is not a striker, not a midfielder so I guess he’s called a winger, but he isn’t.
He’s a player who can occasionally score a goal, occasionally put in a good cross, occasionally deliver a set piece ball.
Without the ball and somebody to pass to, he can’t do much.
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blueblade
Neil Harris is making him look like a mug!
Our tactics coupled with playing him out wide mean that the only effect he can have on the game is the occasional free kick.
What a complete waste of a talent.[/QUOTE
I’m not sure what his best position is. He is not a striker, not a midfielder so I guess he’s called a winger, but he isn’t.
He’s a player who can occasionally score a goal, occasionally put in a good cross, occasionally deliver a set piece ball.
Without the ball and somebody to pass to, he can’t do much.
Someone has to make up thier mind quickly where he plays, he's only with us for a year ,after that he will be winging his way elsewhere, maybe Westwards?
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BLUEAWAY
Someone has to make up thier mind quickly where he plays, he's only with us for a year ,after that he will be winging his way elsewhere, maybe Westwards?
Harry's done really well on his loans to Derby and Bournemouth, BUT by the time he finishes here he will be 24, going on 25.
Yes, he's most probably got a great contract at Liverpool, but he's not going to break into their team, anytime in the near future.
He should find himself a regular club, where he can put down some roots. Great talent for clubs and country, BUT he needs a home, to feel part of something
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I don't think Wilson is all that. Is it the way he is played or is he just ordinary? Rumour has it that Leeds are after him for £15m. Is he really a £15m player? I don't think so.
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Re: Why oh why did we bother to sign Harry Wilson?
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Originally Posted by
blueblade
Neil Harris is making him look like a mug!
Our tactics coupled with playing him out wide mean that the only effect he can have on the game is the occasional free kick.
What a complete waste of a talent.
If you can stretch your mind back a bit (I know that might be difficult), you might remember that we won the four games previous to Swansea and Wilson generally played well and was well involved in the games, both on the wing and more central, as were a number of others in the team. All this indicates that your comments may be incorrect and rather premature. A season lasts for forty six games, not one.
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Vindec
I don't think Wilson is all that. Is it the way he is played or is he just ordinary? Rumour has it that Leeds are after him for £15m. Is he really a £15m player? I don't think so.
He's a £15m player if Pogba is a £90m player.
Just because somebody pays silly money it will always be up for debate whether they are worth it.
Harry Wilson could still have a big say in where we finish our season IMO.
Opposition will be wary of him or double up allowing more freedom for others.
He is a good player and will make others around him improve to become better players.
What price can you put on somebody who has influence or gets a few goals which help win you the league, save you from relegation or get you promotion?
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Burnley offered 15m for him but Liverpool wanted 20m so he is worth at least £15m?
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Harry has been underwhelming to date - hope he improves
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I'm not his biggest fan.
Take his set pieces out of the equation and he isn't that great.
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blue lewj
I'm not his biggest fan.
Take his set pieces out of the equation and he isn't that great.
You aren't the biggest fan of anyone who has anything to do with City. He is one of the best players in the Championship by a country mile.
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dml1954
You aren't the biggest fan of anyone who has anything to do with City. He is one of the best players in the Championship by a country mile.
Am I not? Mainly the board and who they choose to oversee footballing issues is my main gripe. You seem to think they are great. We'll agree to disagree.
I don't think Wilson is as good as many think he is.
I also think he doesn't fit in with our style. He is too much of a footballer for that. Apologies if me commenting on that got your goat.
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By being the last man in the door and probably with highest wages, Wilson is an example of a player who might not have been signed with greater focus on the base of the midfield.
There was a lot of excitement about the signing initially, rightly so given that he's a lower half premier league player who is too good for championship, but in hindsight a different choice might have been better. It would mean a greater reliance on Murphy and Whyte, probably Ralls spending more time as a 10 and I don't think we'd be a top 8/9 side without him, but finding that needed midfielder would have been good move for next year onwards.
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blue lewj
Am I not? Mainly the board and who they choose to oversee footballing issues is my main gripe. You seem to think they are great. We'll agree to disagree.
I don't think Wilson is as good as many think he is.
I also think he doesn't fit in with our style. He is too much of a footballer for that. Apologies if me commenting on that got your goat.
You have been moaning for months on end that we don't have any ‘footballers’ in the side and now that we have actually signed one you are moaning that we shouldn't have got him and he isn't very good anyway. I think you need to make up your mind what you want. My opinion is that you just like complaining.
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dml1954
You have been moaning for months on end that we don't have any ‘footballers’ in the side and now that we have actually signed one you are moaning that we shouldn't have got him and he isn't very good anyway. I think you need to make up your mind what you want. My opinion is that you just like complaining.
I'm in good company on here then aren't I.
You've posted twice on this thread and both having a grumble about me.
Actually you've posted three times. You had a dig at blue blade before me. You want to have a look about your own posts spreading positivity and sunshine before pointing the finger at anybody else.
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In fairness to the lad he put in a hell of a shift tonight.
Great run and finish for the goal.
Hope he proves me wrong.
I base most of what I said previously on his performances for Wales and he hasn't really hit the ground running here until tonight but hopefully plenty more to come.
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blue lewj
In fairness to the lad he put in a hell of a shift tonight.
Great run and finish for the goal.
Hope he proves me wrong.
I base most of what I said previously on his performances for Wales and he hasn't really hit the ground running here until tonight but hopefully plenty more to come.
2 assists and a goal, can't argue with that
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Thats why we signed him. Goal assist. Needs better around him rather than feeding on scraps.
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Hilts
Thats why we signed him. Goal assist. Needs better around him rather than feeding on scraps.
We need to get him in the game. We did that 2nd half.
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blue lewj
In fairness to the lad he put in a hell of a shift tonight.
Great run and finish for the goal.
Hope he proves me wrong.
I base most of what I said previously on his performances for Wales and he hasn't really hit the ground running here until tonight but hopefully plenty more to come.
Watch you don’t crack your teeth 😄
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Hilts
Thats why we signed him. Goal assist. Needs better around him rather than feeding on scraps.
Easily the most talented in our midfield despite my previous comments.
He can influence a game at this level as shown tonight with a hand in all 3 goals.
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J R Hartley
We need to get him in the game. We did that 2nd half.
He played much better cutting in from the right wing on his left foot.
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Re: Why oh why did we bother to sign Harry Wilson?
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Originally Posted by
blueblade
Neil Harris is making him look like a mug!
Our tactics coupled with playing him out wide mean that the only effect he can have on the game is the occasional free kick.
What a complete waste of a talent.
Steve R, is that you?
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blue lewj
Take his set pieces out of the equation and he isn't that great.
This is absolute bollocks in fairness :hehe:
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J R Hartley
Watch you don’t crack your teeth
Genuinely happy that he did well tonight.
What you pro Harris lot need to realise is we all want the same thing. You believe we can achieve this with Harris, some of us don't. It doesn't suddenly mean we want City to get beat or anything else.
If we fulfill our potential under Harris then we'll all be happy. I might even force a smile.
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Croesy Blue
This is absolute bollocks in fairness :hehe:
He's not at the levels that some people put him at and I stand by that.
£20 million? Not for me, but then I dont value most players what they supposedly cost these days. And don't counter it by telling me how much we signed Murphy for. We all know that was ridiculous.
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blue lewj
In fairness to the lad he put in a hell of a shift tonight.
Great run and finish for the goal.
Hope he proves me wrong.
I base most of what I said previously on his performances for Wales and he hasn't really hit the ground running here until tonight but hopefully plenty more to come.
Your U turns are bigger than an oil tanker.
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dml1954
Your U turns are bigger than an oil tanker.
No U turn. I don't think he is as good as many think he is. People are entitled to an opinion.
I suppose all the players you rate have come good and the ones you haven't have fallen by the wayside. Well done.
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blue lewj
I'm in good company on here then aren't I.
You've posted twice on this thread and both having a grumble about me.
Actually you've posted three times. You had a dig at blue blade before me. You want to have a look about your own posts spreading positivity and sunshine before pointing the finger at anybody else.
I have a go at anyone who comes on here deliberately peddling negativity about all things City. When you say you are in good company you must be referring to the 8 or 9 other people who regularly do the same thing and never say anything good or positive about the manager, team, club, players etc. Luckily you are not representative of the overall support (hint - the other 18000 or so regular supporters), most of whom actually enjoy watching/supporting their team. Your attack on Wilson was plainly totally ridiculous, as evidenced by tonights game.
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dml1954
I have a go at anyone who comes on here deliberately peddling negativity about all things City. When you say you are in good company you must be referring to the 8 or 9 other people who regularly do the same thing and never say anything good or positive about the manager, team, club, players etc. Luckily you are not representative of the overall support (hint - the other 18000 or so regular supporters), most of whom actually enjoy watching/supporting their team. Your attack on Wilson was plainly totally ridiculous, as evidenced by tonights game.
What attack? I said if you take his set pieces out of his game he isn't that great. That's my opinion and won't be changed on one game. It was far from an attack, just disagreeing that he is as good as some say.
A few more performances like tonight and he could win me round. For me he is very hot and cold and as I say think he is rated by many because of his set pieces like the free kick at Old Trafford for Derby. Attacking him is a bit strong. It was a throw away comment on a message board and one that wasn't very harsh.
You carry on your crusade though and accuse people of attacking players because they don't totally agree with you. Enjoy it.