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Just watched the documentary on Netflix, compelling viewing, more so being of the age to have remembered it. The police of the time don’t exactly come out of it very well, actual footage highlights extreme incompetence at a high level made even more obvious by how he was eventually caught by routine ‘coppering’.
Finished watching it this morning.
Seen a few programmes about him in the past, but this one included more input from the survivors and the families of the victims.
The smugness and smiles on the faces of the police, when they announced Sutcliffe had been caught, made me feel sick. Not an ounce of compassion for the poor victims.
‘We're delighted’ with big ‘back slapping’ smiles on the faces of the police hierarchy was quite disgusting given the suffering that the victims and their families went, and are still, going through, even more disgusting was the fact that his killing spree went on a lot longer due to the incompetence at their level and it was run of the mill coppers who put the brakes on the monster.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
The Cardiff Docks 3
Utter stitch up , right on our doorstep
All retired on pensions now
Lynette white was not the only victim
I watched all four episodes while it was bucketing down on Friday. I wasn't expecting a great deal from it because, as you say, there's been plenty of similar such programmes down the years, but this one was better than most of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
If you're interested in this case, 'Wicked Beyond Belief - the Hunt for the Yorkshire Ripper' by Michael Bilton is about as good as it gets in terms of true crime writing.
My son told me this morning that a similar documentary to ‘The Ripper’ is being made about the Cardiff three. If it’s as open as the ripper one it should be very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
There is a radio program by the BBC, I think. The repercussions of their false imprisonment destroyed those lads lives. It shocked me when I listened to it , to the core.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Daniel was telling me that the documentary being made is a sort of ‘screening of the podcast’ Jim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
As we know they were no angels Steve, its hard to believe that such an injustice could be done in modern life.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
The cost to them all destroyed them in one way or another. Disgusting..
I watched it. I thought there should have been an entire episode done as an epilogue that listed in detail all the cock-ups made by the police. A chronology of all the times Sutcliffe was questioned would have been a start. I think they failed to identify "Wearside Jack" too. But I may be mistaken.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wearside_JackQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
How the hell they managed to identify him as one of only 300 men who could have had the fiver, while looking identical to the photofit and interview him 9 times, with various detectives to suspect him is absolutely mental.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
I think the situation would have been very different today with the aid of computers to cross-reference everything. They were using hand-written card indexes back then and the eventual scale of the investigation overwhelmed them in the end. Some horrendous mistakes were made, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
I meant in the documentary.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The weight of the ever increasing paperwork meant that the floor of the first floor investigation office had to be strengthened from the ground floor with concrete columns. Why they didn’t just move to the ground floor was perhaps beyond the intelligence of the incompetent team:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
I hope the eventual screening tells the whole tale, terrible that the general consensus of opinion is that guilt didn’t come into the equation, locking up naughty boys by hook or by crook was the objective.
'Murder in the Dock' on BBC Sounds could be what you're thinking of. It's in 13 parts, but dont let that put you off. It's compelling stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
Agreed but as is said in the doc, some detectives thought it was him and dismissed cos he didn't have a Wearside accent. The top brass mishandled it spectacularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Basically 5 blokes were fitted upQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
If someone is a drunk driver , he's charged with drink driving , not murder
All those involved in framing these blokes got away with it and most went onto pensions
Those sent to prison had their lives ruined , some have died , it doesn't matter that they had police history what matters is they were innocent of a brutal crime
Someone I know was a police officer and may still be as I don't have anything to do with her now and when I said this was one of the worst miscarriages of justice in British legal history her reply was yeah but it was a long time ago and it wouldn't happen now ?
Ff sake
Praise must go however to the detective who was handed the case and finally nailed the killer 👏 the vast majority of police officers are decent people
That will be worth watchingQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
ShockingQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
They wanted those guys behind bars , it didn't matter what they could get them forQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Bloody Valentine by John Williams is a good read
It was brilliant, a complete and utter stitch up, we've got these locked up now how can we make it fit?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
Seems bizarre to see the police appealing for him to give himself up, and the local bishop. I really doubt you would see that sort of stuff these days. How times have changed. Wouldn’t be so easy to get away with that serial killer shit these days.....:sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Shocking stuff from the cardiff police there. They were no angels (the original five) for sure but the Docks was full of lively types like this, probably still is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebina
Hope they do make it into a series, it ticks all the boxes.
No angels granted but not savage murderers.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
I know of one of the coppers involved and was named. As sludge, said, retired on a very tidy pension. Kent of a bloke as well.
Watched all of this last night.
The police handling of this is shocking.
The obsession of him being a geordie from the wearside jack tapes is behond belief.
The policeman who interviewed Sutcliffe years before his arrest and reported his suspicion but was yelled at by a superior as he didnt have a geordie accent.
The fact that they didnt make the public aware there had been attacks before the 1st murder but they werent prostitutes so didnt fit the profile they made and they said the attacker had a Yorkshire accent so were ignored.
They even had a near perfect description of him years earlier.
Interviewed 9 times !!!!! I mean WTF!!
Watching the smug tw@ts when he was caught with a bit of luck was sickening.
The useless tw@ts didnt even catch Wearside Jack until about 2005.
Its amazing how so many useless tw@ts work themselves to the top in such powerful positions. Even half decent people at the top of the Yorkshire police would have saved lives.
Shame on the paper that paid that chief for his story as well