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Arsenal in the championship next season ?
I just can’t see them in the Championship down here next season. Big Sam thinks they are in a relegation battle. I can’t see it myself. You feel sure that with what they’ve got and all they stand for, you really can’t see them fighting relegation with the likes of Fulham, West Brom and Sheffield Utd. What do others think ?
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
They’re “too good to go down” !!!
Where have I heard that before ??
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
After Leicester never say never but I can't see them even being as low as they are now.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
Big Sam is talking through his arse. If they don't pick up some points soon Arteta will be sacked and pretty much any other manager out there will be able to turn it around. No, they don't have the talent they used to, but they're in no danger of being relegated.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
Just can’t see it myself, they’ve got too much for at least seven or eight other sides. Change of manager, January window and they’ll climb the table.
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Shame the players don’t get sacked for such pathetic displays, clearly not playing for him anymore
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goats
Shame the players don’t get sacked for such pathetic displays, clearly not playing for him anymore
Can’t blame them tbh. His ramblings about percentages and probability’s make David Icke sound sensible.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
Love it if they went down, but I can't see it happening.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
It would be a big thing. I believe they are one of only 2 teams that have never been out of the top flight ever!
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xsnaggle
It would be a big thing. I believe they are one of only 2 teams that have never been out of the top flight ever!
Who are the other team?
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xsnaggle
It would be a big thing. I believe they are one of only 2 teams that have never been out of the top flight ever!
There are no sides in England who have always been in the top flight.
Arsenal started in Division 2 in 1893-94 and were promoted to Division 1 in 1903-04. They were relegated back to Div 2 in 1912-13, and promoted back to Division 1 in 1914-15 but had to wait until 1919 to play in Division 1 because of the war. In total Arsenal spent 13 seasons outside the top flight since 1893-94 (their first season).
I suspect you think the other club was Everton, but they were relegated in 1929-30 (straight back up) and 1950-51. In total, Everton have played 4 seasons outside the top flight since 1888-89 - the inaugural season of the FL.
There are clubs who have never been relegated including
Celtic
Inter Milan
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Athletic Bilbao
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
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splott parker
Who are the other team?
There isn't one team, let alone two.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
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Allez Allez Allez
There isn't one team, let alone two.
Exactly:xmasthumbup:
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
Aberdeen have never been relegated either, but they started in the Scottish Second Division.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
The Arse are the only team to have been in the top flight continuously since WWII.
I think.
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bobh
The Arse are the only team to have been in the top flight continuously since WWII.
I think.
They’ve been in the top flight continuously since the resumption after WW1.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
It's not going to happen, but if it did, I would laugh and laugh.
The Premier is destroying the rest of the league, with their arrogance and greed.
It would do them some good to find themselves down with the 'rest of us'.
Sadly, they'd go straight back up. Even a crap Arsenal is too good for the Championship.
Financial Fair Play isn't helping, it's holding us back, and that's just the way they like it.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
- Owner's making money from Arsenal
- Agent's making money from Arsenal
- Fans making money from Arsenal
- Pundit's making money from Arsenal
Arsenal care more about making money than football at the moment.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
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surge
- Owner's making money from Arsenal
- Agent's making money from Arsenal
- Fans making money from Arsenal
- Pundit's making money from Arsenal
Arsenal care more about making money than football at the moment.
Fans making money??
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
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bobh
Fans making money??
One fan was selling "Arteta Out" shirts within an hour of one of the Spurs game finishing for £22 before P+P. Either a money making exercise in itself or promotion for their other work but not what their club needs.
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surge
One fan was selling "Arteta Out" shirts within an hour of one of the Spurs game finishing for £22 before P+P. Either a money making exercise in itself or promotion for their other work but not what their club needs.
That hardly qualifies as a generalisation of Arsenal fans.
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Taunton Blue Genie
That hardly qualifies as a generalisation of Arsenal fans.
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The club's own players have begun to turn on the channel - full back Hector Bellerin questioned the loyalty of the fans who appeared on the channel in a February 2018 talk at the Oxford Union.
Bellerin said: 'It's so wrong for someone who claims to be a fan and their success is fed off a failure. How can that be a fan? There's just people hustling, trying to make money their way, which everyone is entitled to do.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ange-name.html
I'm sure each fan would say they've put in years and many thousands of pounds supporting the club and will continue to do so, but heightened emotions sell and you now have different fans competing to have the best heighted emotional response in order to make money. Absolutely their right to do so but the flip side is a player and a manager saying it's not helping the club.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
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surge
One fan was selling "Arteta Out" shirts within an hour of one of the Spurs game finishing for £22 before P+P. Either a money making exercise in itself or promotion for their other work but not what their club needs.
I don’t know what the equivalent of £22 was back in 1985, but there’s no way I would have paid it for a Durban out shirt, despite me really, really wanting him out :xmashehe:.
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the other bob wilson
I don’t know what the equivalent of £22 was back in 1985, but there’s no way I would have paid it for a Durban out shirt, despite me really, really wanting him out :xmashehe:.
£8.36p apparently.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
Not looking like relegation fodder tonight.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
I would laugh like a drain if arsenal , united , Liverpool, spurs, Chelsea or Everton went down
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
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tforturton
The Premier is destroying the rest of the league, with their arrogance and greed.
How is the Premier League 'destroying' the rest of the the league?
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
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The Lone Gunman
How is the Premier League 'destroying' the rest of the the league?
it doesn't matter how, it just is. I think we're also due another beginning of the end for football today or tomorrow as well
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The Lone Gunman
How is the Premier League 'destroying' the rest of the the league?
EPPP, taking the vast majority of the TV money, bullying the EFL over money, Project Big Picture, a massive disparity between the EFL clubs and the PL, tipping the scales in favour of the big clubs at almost every opportunity and giving the top clubs a bigger slice of international TV rights, using COVID as an opportunity to push things through.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
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Pedro de la Rosa
EPPP, taking the vast majority of the TV money, bullying the EFL over money, Project Big Picture, a massive disparity between the EFL clubs and the PL, tipping the scales in favour of the big clubs at almost every opportunity and giving the top clubs a bigger slice of international TV rights, using COVID as an opportunity to push things through.
Righto. But let's assume all of that is true. How is any of it 'destroying' the rest of the league?
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The Lone Gunman
How is the Premier League 'destroying' the rest of the the league?
If you are that entwined in watching live football on sky and cannot see the money from what you pay is going to the big clubs and everyone else is left to fight over the scraps then you need to go to night school
Its football capitalism , the survival of the fittest or in this case , the richest
The amount of money sloshing around in the modern game is staggering
And almost all of it goes to the big boys at the top
People far more intelligent than you have been talking about this disparity for years
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
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The Lone Gunman
How is the Premier League 'destroying' the rest of the the league?
This is a joke right ?
I worry that any football fan outside of the big boys can even suggest it isn't and hasn't been since it was formed
The Premier league is one big huge dollop of shite for the rest of football
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The Lone Gunman
Righto. But let's assume all of that is true. How is any of it 'destroying' the rest of the league?
EPPP means that when a EFL club gets a decent player, the PL club can steal them for peanuts, the lifeline for EFL clubs has gone. We'd have got about 50k for Ramsey for example, we got stiffed on Matondo. The level of financial disparity is killing the league and the need for PP means that something is drastically wrong. Look at all the clubs going bust or going into administration. It isn't right and that's because all the top clubs are keeping the money for themselves.
I don't think any of what I wrote is untrue, either and most of it is fact.
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Pedro de la Rosa
EPPP means that when a EFL club gets a decent player, the PL club can steal them for peanuts, the lifeline for EFL clubs has gone. The level of financial disparity is killing the league and the need for PP means that something is drastically wrong. Look at all the clubs going bust or going into administration
What's PP? I don't know what that is.
As regards 'all of the clubs going bust or into administration', who are you referring to? And why did they end up in the situation they found themselves in?
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The Lone Gunman
What's PP? I don't know what that is.
As regards 'all of the clubs going bust or into administration', who are you referring to? And why did they end up in the situation they found themselves in?
You sound like a tory mp ff sake
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The Lone Gunman
What's PP? I don't know what that is.
As regards 'all of the clubs going bust or into administration', who are you referring to? And why did they end up in the situation they found themselves in?
Parachute Payments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admini...administration
There's a list here, it's pretty big. Financial mis-management, gambing on the PL promotion or reeling from the effects of getting relegated.
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You sound like a tory mp ff sake
The Tory MP criticised the Premier League...
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
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Pedro de la Rosa
The Tory MP criticised the Premier League...
Tory mps and the Premier league are blood brothers
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
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Pedro de la Rosa
Isn't it odd how so many clubs have entered administration since the formation of the Premier league ?
Odd that
Predicted by David Conn is his excellent book searching for the soul of football
Clubs desperate to get into the big time , especially from the championship , have spent money on wages to try and go up
We did it for years and years under hammam then under Jones
We nearly lost the club
If there was a fairer distribution of money in football the need for clubs to gamble wouldn't happen and the likes of Bury would have a football club for their loyal band of fans to support
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Re: Arsenal in the championship next season ?
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Pedro de la Rosa
Financial mis-management, gambling on the PL promotion or reeling from the effects of getting relegated.
Basically, what you're saying is that those clubs went into administration or went bust due to poor financial management of one sort or another and let's be honest - that's been happening in professional football for many decades. I think it's something of a leap to equate the problems at small clubs like Bury with the Premier League, while the Wigan situation can't be levelled at the Premier League either - they got relegated in 2013 and went into administration in 2020. Same story with Bolton - relegated in 2012, administration in 2019.
I wouldn't argue that the financial disparity between the top clubs and the rest is bigger than ever, but clubs in the lower divisions (including the Championship) do not get into financial trouble because of the Premier League - they get there because they continually spend money they don't have, and that's not a recent development either.
However, on the disparity issues, it has to be considered that clubs like Swansea and Bournemouth have had more success in terms of their league standings in recent years than at any other time in their long histories and the same will be true of Brighton if they stay up this year.