Taxi for Harris......

Dalman said Harris had to have us top 6 in January, which he won’t as the new year comes in (granted he never said start, middle or end of January).

I hope the club are decisive and make a quick decision, as surely they can see Harris is not good enough to take us to the next level.

This is our third defeat in four games, and the football is poor. I can’t see any evolving of our style. It’s mainly long balls, and hoping to pinch a goal from a throw in or a set piece.

Look at our record against the divisions top 5.

Played 5, Won 0, Drawn 1, Lost 4.

He has arguably one of the best players in the division in Wilson, who looks anonymous in this side. He can’t bring the best out of him.

Swansea have a far poorer side than us on paper, but look at what Cooper’s achieving there with good coaching, and next to no transfer budget.

I’d be happy with Bilic, Pearson, Hughes or Pearson.

But please, not a budget appointment like Flynn from Newport.

This squad needs someone who can hit the ground running, and command the respect of the changing room.

Also, whilst many want to see young players come through from the academy, Mark Harris is nowhere near good enough for this level.

He’s not talented enough to be a 10, he’s not clinical enough to be a striker, and he’s not a winger. So what is he? To me, he’s just a limited player who runs around a lot. Pretty similar to Gavin Whyte.

As a positive, I thought Josh Murphy showed flashes of what he can offer, when he came on.

One excellent break up the middle as he went by players, and a great cross he put in from out wide. If a manager can put an arm around him and rebuild his confidence, he’d be like a new signing who can be a game changer at this level.

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Originally Posted by Bluebird23

Dalman said Harris had to have us top 6 in January, which he won’t as the new year comes in (granted he never said start, middle or end of January).

I hope the club are decisive and make a quick decision, as surely they can see Harris is not good enough to take us to the next level.

This is our third defeat in four games, and the football is poor. I can’t see any evolving of our style. It’s mainly long balls, and hoping to pinch a goal from a throw in or a set piece.

Look at our record against the divisions top 5.

Played 5, Won 0, Drawn 1, Lost 4.

He has arguably one of the best players in the division in Wilson, who looks anonymous in this side. He can’t bring the best out of him.

Swansea have a far poorer side than us on paper, but look at what Cooper’s achieving there with good coaching, and next to no transfer budget.

I’d be happy with Bilic, Pearson, Hughes or Pearson.

But please, not a budget appointment like Flynn from Newport.

This squad needs someone who can hit the ground running, and command the respect of the changing room.

Also, whilst many want to see young players come through from the academy, Mark Harris is nowhere near good enough for this level.

He’s not talented enough to be a 10, he’s not clinical enough to be a striker, and he’s not a winger. So what is he? To me, he’s just a limited player who runs around a lot. Pretty similar to Gavin Whyte.

As a positive, I thought Josh Murphy showed flashes of what he can offer, when he came on.

One excellent break up the middle as he went by players, and a great cross he put in from out wide. If a manager can put an arm around him and rebuild his confidence, he’d be like a new signing who can be a game changer at this level.

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Who is out there that 1. We can afford, 2. Would be better than Harris and 3. The board are even likely to choose.

The squad doesn't need someone who can hit the ground running, it isn't good enough and needs a complete rebuild.

Harris might not be the answer but there's an awful lot worse out there. Nigel Pearson has been dreadful in his last few appointments, Mark Hughes :hehe: and Bilic won't come here.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

The squad doesn't need someone who can hit the ground running, it isn't good enough and needs a complete rebuild.

Harris might not be the answer but there's an awful lot worse out there. Nigel Pearson has been dreadful in his last few appointments, Mark Hughes :hehe: and Bilic won't come here.

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That's my worry. A new manager will inherit the same limited players. He may be able to tinker a bit but he isn't going to turn things around without substantial personnel changes and quite frankly there isn't the money or the time for that.

Please bring back Malky Mackay, Mr Tan. He is still only 48 years old; resolve your differences. Or go for Pearson or Bilic as suggested above.

The usual response to a defeat. Nothing to see here.

its clockwork on here

Sack Harris, play him there , get rid of the keeper , we need a new midfield etc

I hope we don't sign anyone , I hope tan says to Harris there is no money and Harris and his squad do their best for ccfc

We won't go down but we might sneak a play off place

That will do for me , we have no devine right to win every game of football we play

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

The squad doesn't need someone who can hit the ground running, it isn't good enough and needs a complete rebuild.

Harris might not be the answer but there's an awful lot worse out there. Nigel Pearson has been dreadful in his last few appointments, Mark Hughes :hehe: and Bilic won't come here.

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Im pretty certain Mark Hughes would. He would jumo at a Championship job.

Cant see anyone wanting him though.

Nigel Pearson did ok at Watford.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

The squad doesn't need someone who can hit the ground running, it isn't good enough and needs a complete rebuild.

Harris might not be the answer but there's an awful lot worse out there. Nigel Pearson has been dreadful in his last few appointments, Mark Hughes :hehe: and Bilic won't come here.

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You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Im pretty certain Mark Hughes would. He would jumo at a Championship job.

Cant see anyone wanting him though.

Nigel Pearson did ok at Watford.

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There should have been a comma after the laugh. Hughes won't want this job and we should stay well clear as well.

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Originally Posted by Stanmore Bluebird

Please bring back Malky Mackay, Mr Tan. He is still only 48 years old; resolve your differences. Or go for Pearson or Bilic as suggested above.

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One season wonder he's been shit since Cardiff. And wasn't he guilty of a few racist remarks?

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Im pretty certain Mark Hughes would. He would jumo at a Championship job.

Cant see anyone wanting him though.

Nigel Pearson did ok at Watford.

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You'll find better managers (more tactically astute managers) in League One than those two. A big name who has dropped to the Championship won't be able to do more than Harris is doing with the squad we have.

Stick with the man in charge and let him rebuild.

Who are we going to get thats going to come here with no money?

Lets not waste this window. Getting players out is just as important as new ones in.

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Originally Posted by Stanmore Bluebird

Please bring back Malky Mackay, Mr Tan. He is still only 48 years old; resolve your differences. Or go for Pearson or Bilic as suggested above.

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****ing hell :hehe:

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

its clockwork on here

Sack Harris, play him there , get rid of the keeper , we need a new midfield etc

I hope we don't sign anyone , I hope tan says to Harris there is no money and Harris and his squad do their best for ccfc

We won't go down but we might sneak a play off place

That will do for me , we have no devine right to win every game of football we play

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You seriously think we might sneak a playoff place? Which one of the top 6 do you think we are better than?

I expected today's defeat, as I did last week. I don't have a problem with accepting we're a mid table side.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Stick with the man in charge and let him rebuild.

Who are we going to get thats going to come here with no money?

Lets not waste this window. Getting players out is just as important as new ones in.

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Indeed

People are completely unrealistic

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

You seriously think we might sneak a playoff place? Which one of the top 6 do you think we are better than?

I expected today's defeat, as I did last week. I don't have a problem with accepting we're a mid table side.

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this side is placed to string a few results together and get in that top six

Like we did last year

If we don't then we don't and we start again

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

You seriously think we might sneak a playoff place? Which one of the top 6 do you think we are better than?

I expected today's defeat, as I did last week. I don't have a problem with accepting we're a mid table side.

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Quite.

Anyone who think that we’ll sneak a top
6 place clearly hasn’t seen the utterly awful football we are playing nor the likes of Norwich, Swansea, Brentford or Bournemouth.

A laughable and embarrassing statement to make.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff

Quite.

Anyone who think that we’ll sneak a top
6 place clearly hasn’t seen the utterly awful football we are playing nor the likes of Norwich, Swansea, Brentford or Bournemouth.

A laughable and embarrassing statement to make.

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Stick a sock in it you miserable old queen

We are mid table , we made the play offs last season and can do it again

Just as a few defeats can rock the boat so a few wins can bounce the team up the table

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

this side is placed to string a few results together and get in that top six

Like we did last year

If we don't then we don't and we start again

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Mid table and rebuild is fine.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

You seriously think we might sneak a playoff place? Which one of the top 6 do you think we are better than?

I expected today's defeat, as I did last week. I don't have a problem with accepting we're a mid table side.

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Totally agree with you on this Eric. We are a mid table squad at best. Whether Tan will be happy to carry on like this, or whether he’ll go for another promotion assault, remains to be seen.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Mid table and rebuild is fine.

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You don't get promoted by chopping and changing the manager every season

On here , some want heads to roll every other week

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You don't get promoted by chopping and changing the manager every season

On here , some want heads to roll every other week

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That's not what Hilts is saying, or me for that matter.

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Originally Posted by William Treseder

Totally agree with you on this Eric. We are a mid table squad at best. Whether Tan will be happy to carry on like this, or whether he’ll go for another promotion assault, remains to be seen.

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Hes seen enough money wasted I think thats it.

If we are to progress its on the cheap.

That will be the same for most of the league though.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Hes seen enough money wasted I think thats it.

If we are to progress its on the cheap.

That will be the same for most of the league though.

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I think he'll spend the money if it's smart. Look at Moore. If we cut the wage bill, we might be able to do a bit more.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You don't get promoted by chopping and changing the manager every season

On here , some want heads to roll every other week

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You also can’t polish a turd

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Originally Posted by darran1927

You also can’t polish a turd

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It was very quiet on here from certain individuals when we were winning

Now the knives are back out

Turd or no Turd

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

That's not what Hilts is saying, or me for that matter.

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so last season when we were floundering around then put a run together to get us into the play offs , what was your analysis ?

And whats different this time ?

We have moore to come back , an average squad with a front man who scores goals always has a chance

Everything to play for , I don't understand what people expect

Quite simply a poor statement by the manager , we were in premier league 2018/19, play offs last season and arguably have strengthened team with Moore and Wilson.
We have wasted the parachute payments not building the club off and on the field , no identity, no club ethos , should know what coach, manager or player will fit to create a defined playing style that is replicated thru all age groups .

I don’t call relying on set pieces a playing style !!

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Originally Posted by billy.ronson

Quite simply a poor statement by the manager , we were in premier league 2018/19, play offs last season and arguably have strengthened team with Moore and Wilson.
We have wasted the parachute payments not building the club off and on the field , no identity, no club ethos , should know what coach, manager or player will fit to create a defined playing style that is replicated thru all age groups .

I don’t call relying on set pieces a playing style !!

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Who wasted the money? Warnock pissed our chances of bouncing back up the wall. Harris has recruited well and we are well short all over the pitch in terms of players

We need to have realistic expectations and in the current financial climate only a fool would do anything rash. It is what it is and disappointing as it is when we lose we're gonna have to take it on the chin for a while. We've had some recent successes and we're operating on a paper thin squad with shortfalls in many areas but these aren't gonna be filled until we can get back to filling the CCS and bringing some £££ into the coffers.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Who wasted the money? Warnock pissed our chances of bouncing back up the wall. Harris has recruited well and we are well short all over the pitch in terms of players

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I said the CLUB has wasted the parachute payments not necessarily Harris !
But has Recruited well !! Really !! Are you watching the games ?? Against the better teams we look well off the pace , hoping for a breakaway or set pieces , have only 1 right back on the books who is on loan and injured ,no creativity in midfield!!

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

so last season when we were floundering around then put a run together to get us into the play offs , what was your analysis ?

And whats different this time ?

We have moore to come back , an average squad with a front man who scores goals always has a chance

Everything to play for , I don't understand what people expect

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When we returned from lockdown, we hit the ground running, beat Leeds and Preston comfortably, while others started shabbily. We were difficult to beat, particularly under Harris. We were able to recover situations in games.

This season we've lost 8 already after 21 games. We'd only lost 9 after 37 by the time we went into lockdown. Much of our problem was the high number of draws we'd managed, but most of those draws were games where we were behind.

We beat the two automatically promoted sides. We got draws at home to Fulham and Brentford, who competed in the playoff final. We also beat Forest, Preston and Bristol City, sides above us at the time of lockdown. This season we've been comfortably beaten by 4 of the top 5 and looked off the pace in all of those games.

That's it. I don't think many are expecting anything this season. I'd be very surprised if we finished in the top 6 and feel that overall we haven't performed as well this season as we did last. We've got to find a way of getting results against teams above us to stand any chance at all.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

so last season when we were floundering around then put a run together to get us into the play offs , what was your analysis ?

And whats different this time ?

We have moore to come back , an average squad with a front man who scores goals always has a chance

Everything to play for , I don't understand what people expect

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Lee Tomlin is injured.

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Originally Posted by billy.ronson

I said the CLUB has wasted the parachute payments not necessarily Harris !
But has Recruited well !! Really !! Are you watching the games ?? Against the better teams we look well off the pace , hoping for a breakaway or set pieces , have only 1 right back on the books who is on loan and injured ,no creativity in midfield!!

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Against the current top 6 we've scored 4 goals, 2 from set pieces, one decent team goal and a 70 yarder. We have struggled to break down the better sides, though that could just be that the better sides in the division are better than they were last season.

David Wagner?

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Originally Posted by Grangenders

David Wagner?

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Definitely.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You don't get promoted by chopping and changing the manager every season

On here , some want heads to roll every other week

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Actually that’s not true, just look at our recent history, we sacked Ole and got into the play offs in Malky’s first season and promoted the next.

We sacked Paul Trollope and Warnock kept us up and then got us promoted the following season

So in recent history sacking the manager got us promoted the season after

Lots of clubs sack the manager and then get promoted, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t but to say sticking with a manager when it’s clearly not working doesn’t always make sense, we were going down under Trollope before Warnock turned it around

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Actually that’s not true, just look at our recent history, we sacked Jones and got into the play offs in Malky’s first season and promoted the next.

We sacked Paul Trollope and Warnock kept us up and then got us promoted the following season

So in recent history sacking the manager got us promoted the season after

Lots of clubs sack the manager and then get promoted, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t but to say sticking with a manager when it’s clearly not working doesn’t always make sense, we were going down under Trollope before Warnock turned it around

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Corrected for you :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by billy.ronson

I said the CLUB has wasted the parachute payments not necessarily Harris !
But has Recruited well !! Really !! Are you watching the games ?? Against the better teams we look well off the pace , hoping for a breakaway or set pieces , have only 1 right back on the books who is on loan and injured ,no creativity in midfield!!

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Moore, Wilson, Ojo, JOT are all starters for us. Harris has bought well, it's not his fault our budget is stretched and wasted on dross like Vassell, Flint and Whyte.