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The same wing backs who are threatening us seem to find it easy to squeeze us along the lines when we are attacking.
Our forward movement when we have the ball is ponderous, laboured, our free kicks and long throws are too predictable and our inclination to shoot at goal (Vaulks aside today) is non existent.
Offensively Glatzel, OJo, Wilson, Hoilett all contributed very little today. Yes they worked hard but were not effective going forward.
I half think we're playing for field position so we can win set pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUEAWAY
I think they are happy with that but even then it’s all too predictable. No variation, nobody running to pull defenders away from the six yard box and too often the incoming ball is a poor delivery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I thought we were predicable under NW and not much has changed, yet we have seen some performances where the passing is crisp, there is good ball retention, good running and even a bit of pace.
Well, we’ve scored five in our last two home matches, so I’d say we have more problems at the other end of the pitch at the moment, one of which being our usually reliable keeper is having a dodgy spell. Also, could it be time for a change at centre back?
The opposition must have one of the shortest 'defending set piece' sessions they have had when they face us.
Long throws - Crowd out Morrison
Corners and free kicks in the final third - See above
I didn't watch the game today, I only saw the goals as they went in on Soccer Saturday. However, when a left winger who had previously netted just once in 40 games manages to score a hat-trick, it's obvious where one of the problems is.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Sky reported that Canos had ten shots at goal today. Perhaps it's time for the experiment of playing a midfielder at right-back to end.
We're running up against much better sides in Swansea , Brentford and Norwich, we are way off being a top 6 side ,the league looks tougher this year and its looking like the three that came down plus Brentford and Swansea are vying for promotion
I find it borderline unbelievable but I actually think that this IS a tactic of Harris: get the ball close to their goal and win a throw, free kick, corner and hope to score from one of those. A bit like eggby and NFL. Winning ‘territory’.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
In the absence of any other obvious plan or style and the fact that we so rarely score from open play, I can only assume that this is part of his plan.
Which I find really embarrassing in this day and age.
We dont have a fit right back.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Yes it is. Nelson is way overated imo. Let's see Benkovich
Why is it embarrassing? It's a reasonable tactic considering the players in our team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff
Isn’t the task to make us a better side?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
We might be more secure at the back if we were threatening the opposition in their own half from open play.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I'm aware of that. However, maybe it would be more beneficial to try one of the under-23 squad at right-back, or one of the left-backs at right-back. I don't know. But from what I've seen, Bacuna frequently looks uncomfortable in that position if the opposition is anywhere near decent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Hes done an ok job. Slaughtered today.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I think uncomfortable against anyone near decent is harsh.
I presume seeing as how we had youngsters on the bench including a left back meaning we had 3 in the squad then Harris thinks Bacuna is the best option and the U 23 right back isnt anywhere near the standard.
Right back is definitely an issue though.
Well I think that it is embarrassing that a current day manager can be so limited in his thinking that he actually thinks that this the best tactic available.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
I also think that we have some pretty talented players such as Wilson and Ojo who can’t think that this tactic is a good use of their skill set.
And I’ll bet that their parent club don’t either.
It's probably time to consider how well protected he was by the right sided winger/midfielder as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff
A lot like Warnock, if in doubt go more and more defensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Not what Dalman promised us at all.
Your making things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff
In fairness to Harris, we haven't got the players to do much differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
He's the manager, he brought in most the offensive players. One thing Warnock did was get players out on loan and bring others in. Harris seemed far to slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Warnock pissed 30m up the wall. Harris has spent little over 2m, and that most of that was on Kieffer Moore.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
Don’t think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Maybe you should read the post?
It is the best tactic available for the players in our team. We've won more games this season since we stopped trying to play possession football and started going direct and playing for set pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff
The question then is whether this is the blueprint for forthcoming seasons or whether there's an intention to change it in the future? I'm critical of it from a short termism point of view where, going forward in terms of time, it's a tactic we should be moving away from, yet we're reverting back to it because it fits what we have now. At some point, there will need to be a shift in dynamic. I'd argue that now is that time as we're unlikely to get promoted this season with some of the crap we've seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
What is the manger supposed to do? His job is to win games and we don't currently have a team to do that while playing possession football. We flirted with trying to play that way earlier in the season and the results almost cost Harris his job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Have we ever played possession football?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
According to whoscored.com we are joint third in the league for long balls played on average per game with 79. Warnock's gradually behind on 78 per game.
We are also ranked 19th in the league for average amount of short passes per game with 290.
We are 16th in relation to goals from open play with 10
We rank 1st for goals from set pieces.
We are 17th for possession per game with 47.7%. A whole 1.6% ahead of Warnock's Boro.
For those who suggest that we have moved that far from Warnock's style, the stats don't really suggest it. Or is it that Harris wasn't that different to Warnock to begin with? Again, the stats didn't suggest he was.
All these stats too are when Harris has supposedly tried to play football at stages during times this season. The short pass numbers and possession percentage would be even lower with more long balls. We would be near the top with long balls though. We're in the long ball play off places comfortably anyway though.
You'd do it mid-season with midfield options of Pack, Ralls, Vaulks and Bacuna in front of a Morrison and Nelson pairing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Can you compare the first 13 games of the season (up to and including the defeat at Coventry) with the games since then?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Why not? Virtually all of those players have played in teams that play more football than this season under Harris. If they've managed to pass the ball more before then why can't they now?Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
If you don't try it in a season where you are not really going to go up but are relatively safe then when?
I totally get that. He's in a catch 22 situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
The way we play has its benefits as it suits some of the players we have. It also doesn't make us an attractive team to watch, we can be boring and while we're stuck in the cycle of playing this way, we'll keep looking at players who can make the way we play work, rather than look to change things. I'm hoping Harris looks to change the way we play and bring in personnel to fit. I don't find our long ball game interesting at all. I suppose when we're winning, it doesn't matter. When we're not, and we haven't been winning enough this season, those tactics are made to look primitive. If we have ambition as a club, we need to look at the sort of football the top 6 are playing. We're light years behind them in terms of football. Disruptive, in yer face, get it forward quickly football, yes, but that's not the way to go if we're looking long term at staying in the Premier League.
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
The point is Warnock wouldn't have left us with one right back, to do so was naive and stupid.
Warnock transfers at promotion and after relation were shocking.
Harris still had a decent squad to work with, move players in and out, he failed.
Totally agree with this. A change of direction is needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
It is whether you believe this team can play more football or if they are told to go direct and be hustle bustle.
I know what I think and I believe this is what Harris does and his philosophy on football. If given money he will,in my opinion, fit players into his direct style. He has already told us what Cardiff fans want in a team (hard working etc etc) and I stumbled on this article. Certainly does not bode well for our quest.
https://www.skysports.com/amp/footba...-their-fanbase
For those that can't be bothered to read it Harris talks of his hustle bustle, aggressive style. It goes on to describe a style of football played at Millwall that is nothing like the rest of the top clubs in the Championship. Sound familiar?
In short we are expecting Harris to play a style that he never in any of his time at Millwall and has not attempted to any great extent in his time here.
All I can see is someone who wants longer term planning but when the style of play doesn't leap in a new direction, even though we have almost all the same players, they suddenly don't have any patience. This feeling seems to happen most frequently when we've lost to one of the best sides in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
Honestly, apart from Pack at Bristol City, what do you know about the playing styles of those players former clubs? Are you talking about Vaulks when he was at Falkirk and Bacuna when he was under Lambert (?) at Villa or we focusing on their most recent clubs only?
What a load of bollocks his comments are.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue lewj
I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind that if we played like Swansea but won immediate promotion and spent years in the top flight, our fans would be happy. Far happier than if we continue to play as we are and stay as a top half Championship club.
Then we're stuck in limbo. Great.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
Vaulks when he was at Rotherham. Bacuna at Reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
We played the most direct football in the league under Warnock so I know for certain that these players played in teams that have played more football than we are currently. Harris was, and is, very similar to Warnock's style and hasn't moved far from that. Do the players choose to play long with no passing emphasis or are they told to?
Have you seen a change in the way we play? We play the third most long balls per game in this league. That is fact. More than Warnock's Boro team.
Are you suggesting that Bacuna didn't play more passing football at Villa than at Harris' Cardiff City? I know Vaulks can pass it better because I've seen him do it for Wales in games. Have they forgotten how to?
Err, that's EXACTLY the problem we had last season. Peltier was first choice with Bacuna being the back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
He’s clutching at straws let’s be honest. Making out Bacuna is Pirlo ffs. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by surge