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Ferguson
Paisley
Shankley
Clough
They didn't do too badly did they ?
If you are good enough then whats this worry about age ?
People seem obsessed with appointing young managers with all the coaching badges , computer generated plans , nutrition analysts
Football is a simple game
Put the ball in the net , stop the other lot doing the same
Thats my philosophy
Bill Shankly retired when he was 60. Clough retired at 58. All of them got to their final club before they were 50. The oldest to take a manager's job was Bob Paisley at 55. He'd been at Liverpool since he was 40.
May as well lock the thread 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
We are not talking Eddie Howe or Paul Teasdale from Exeter who some city fans were screaming forQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Well MM is 61 so he's not about to get a birthday card from the Queen but a lot of city fans think MM is a football dinosaur
Maybe we should get someone who has just left school
17 or 18
With his apple watch
Actually Bob Paisley had been at Liverpool since he was 20. He spent well over 40 years at one club. I'm not even going to bother to count the clubs McCarthy's been at, but he was at his last job for two months.
Eddie Howe is the same age as Neil Harris. The same age McCarthy was when he was winning promotions. Malky Makay is still only 48.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well it seems to me that people are unhappy , in certain quarters for his style and I think at the moment we need results , not fecking poncey formations . Leaving that aside its been mentioned he's a dinosaur.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Is 61 too old to work ?
If football in the modern age is a young man's game for managers with forward looking ideas why isn't every manager in the top two divisions about 35 ?
So why is Eddie Howe out of a job and why isn't Craig Bellamy, recently retired and apparently a visionary managing abroad?Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
What is your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Apparently, Eddie Howe is waiting to waltz into a job with a top PL team with a rich history. Bellamy is obviously learning his trade. 61 is not too old for a job and if we had a dozen fewer points I'd say that McCarthy is the right man. In my opinion, Harris had lost his way and had to go, but I don't think replacing him the same week was particularly important. I have nothing against Mick McCarthy, I just want a period of relative stability and growth at the City. I'd like someone to come in and set the club up for long term success from the kids' teams up to the top. I can't see a 61 year-old having the energy or the inclination to do that. You and I both know that with age comes indifference. I'd like to see someone younger with a passion for their work. I don't mean shouting and bursting a blood vessel on the touchline, I mean showing up to work first and leaving last. Being thorough, detail orientated, and leaving no stone unturned looking for talent on and off the pitch to improve the team. Someone that when they leave will leave something behind for the next manager to work with besides a bunch of problems and limited tools to get the job done. And I'd like to see the club at least make an attempt to make that happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I will get back to you tomorrow LlandaffQuote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
I am even confusing myself here
when it comes to discipline , man management and preparation MM and TC are respected for thatQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Roy Keane was an arrogant spoilt git and a thug on the pitch and he did little in management despite getting into it soon after he retired
MM plays with what he's got and if we can get a wizard in the middle we have a decent squad here
I think 6 months and review is right though
Let’s look at the managers at the top of the table shall we.
Farke, Norwich - 44 years old. Been managing since he was 32.
Steve Cooper, Swansea - 42 years old, been managing development teams at Liverpool and International level when he was in his 30s.
Thomas Frank, Brentford - 47 years old. Manager since he was 35 managing youth development teams at national level.
These are young progressive managers with a track record of working with and developing young players and with a clear footballing identity.
We just jump from one knee-jerk decision to another. Bringing in merry go around dinosaurs like Slade, Warnock and Mcarthy. It might bring the odd unexpected season of success as it did with Warnock for the first 18 months of his time here but it will always be short lived because we have no long term plan, no structure as a football club, no solid foundation.
The arm around the shoulder / kick up the backside is only effective for so long with the same group of players.
At 61 years old I highly doubt Mick has the time, energy or desire to revolutionise this football club.
Regardless of how he does in the next 6 months he should be thanked for his services and we part ways. However, should he string a few results together I have no doubt he will be offered a longer contract and eventually it will end in tears and we are another couple of years down the line and still bemoaning our lack of forward thinking as a football club.
I completely agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
If Magic Mick was a stellar name with a great track record then fair enough.
How is he going to relate to and motivate a group of 20 & 30 year olds.
All those Sludge quoted had cabinets full of European trophies.
Mick looks like a Poundland Sven.
EDIT:
Nigella Lawson is also 61 so in case she is reading this I have no problem with it.
Attractive lady but built like a hippopotamusQuote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
Yeah but he only went for a bit of sun.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Lovely Cyprus.
I'm shocked at those facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Of course everyone looks old when you're a kid but Shankley and Paisley always looked like proper old men.
Clough retiring at 58 is also a surprise.
The booze took its toll mind.
My boy just said that Johan Cruyff, although he’s gone on, would have been 74 this year, would he be rejected on the age issue?
David Moyes doing a good job at West Ham and pushing up towards 60, Roy Hodgson doing well at Palace and is past 73.
But don't forget that Pocchetino told Bamba, who then passed it on, that our defence had major flaws and Warnock's response was to laugh it off saying he's too old to learn a new defensive system. Is the older head stuck in their ways or ready to merge what they know with the best of modern practice?
Clough?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
he was a manager at 30 and won the European cup in his 40s
Clough took a middling team to championship and European Cup glory , back to backQuote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
Incredible manager
Many cast offs and free signings and big money when needed
Archie Gemmil
Larry Lloyd
Kenny Burns
Tony Woodcock
Birtles
Trevor Francis .....most expensive signing at the time
Tremendous side
Real shame to see him slip into alcohol addiction
You could see it in his face in interviews
Football legend
but he wasn't a dinosaur was he ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
David Moyes looks old beyond his years 😳Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
Hodgson is a very good manager
Carlo Ancelotti is the same age as MM I bet folk wouldn’t call him out on age if he was given the gig on Friday.
And he did it properly (Don) "without cheating."Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Micheal Sheen had him off to a teaQuote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
Tony Mowbray (57) got Blackburn playing some nice football.
Hardly a hoofball merchant who hasn't achieved much for the best part of 10 years thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Whisperer
My point is age not styleQuote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
They are directly linked though. MM's age is being pointed out because his style is old school and implies he isn't going to change his methods. No-one would complain if Bielsa was appointedQuote:
Originally Posted by Whisperer
Dinosaurs weren't dinosaurs when they were still living.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
People looked much older back then. I can remember my grandparents in their 50s. Wrinkled, grey, out of shape, false teeth, the lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by MacAdder
They were just terrible lizards back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
If she invited you round on Christmas Day you'd be there like a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Right, because Carlo Ancellotti and Mick McCarthy have comparable records.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisperer
John RobertsonQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
In Cloughs words................
"When you get the ball, just give it to the fat lad on the left,” he smiled.
The fat lad. The chain-smoking scruffy git.
What a player and what a manager, Genius