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Derby aren't a million miles away, there'll be at least one "big club" going down this season, possibly 2 considering Rotherham's games in hand
Cardiff CityQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Birmingham a big club?
We won’t go down. When Brown is back this week Mick can play 4 centre half’s. 2 full backs. 3 defensive midfielders. Hoof it to Moore. Safety first football.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
Pick up 3 wins and 10 draws in our remaining 20 games and we stay up.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
They are bigger than us , put it that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Not these days they are notQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
historically they have spent longer in the top two divisions than us and have had bigger crowdsQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Bigger club than us
Sheffield Wednesday , Derby , bigger clubs than us
Does that make a fig of difference to things as of now? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Yes because if we went down we could go into free fallQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Leeds , Wednesday , Forest , Derby are big enough clubs to pull themselves back out
History SmishtoryQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Birmingham haven’t been in the PL for the last decade and their crowds are smaller than ours.
I used to go to St Andrews regularly when my cousin played for them. They are a similar sized club to us and certainly wouldn’t class them as a “big club” not like a Derby or a Forest.
If Birmingham City and Cardiff City were in the top two going for promotion you think we would get bigger crowds than them ?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
CardiffQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
For a start our ground is bigger.
Won’t be a lot in it though, as I said similar sized clubs.
A lot of our fanbase think we're a tiny provincial club based on our period from the late 80s/90s, which historically is a massive outlier. We've spent about 70% of our history in the top two divisionsQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Can you tell me why then , that during much of Cardiff citys promotion season under your mate Colin, the crowds at the Cardiff City Stadium were nowhere near the capacity of the ground , even with those red seats not included ?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Talking of big clubs in trouble, I was surprised to find out that Ipswich Town have only been a league club (barring 1 season) since just after the Second World War. I had always assumed they had been plying their trade in Divisions 2, 3 and 4 prior to them winning the Division 1 title in 1961-62.
Look at the crowds we were getting , even when we were a more successful clubQuote:
Originally Posted by City123
Cardiff City have always been able to pull big crowds but we would get 50000 against attractive opposition then a few weeks later scrape 15000
My arch enemy TLG will provide you with the history of our support and even in our golden years it was up and down like a roller coaster.
Its part of the DNA
They're big for Division 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Amazing club in many ways have a great history and have had truly great players playing for them(Beattie, Mills, Butcher the Dutch pair and John Wark to name a few,they have been managed by the two best England managers and in Robson a great manager, they had the best owners in football for many years in the Cobbolds and pioneered foreign imports in Muhren and Thijsenn all in a town of about 130000Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
Struggling atm with a weird owner and crowds were down before lockdown but i think they will bounce back
i live in Ipswich and you see loads of people wearing Town gear, lots more than you do see people wearing City stuff in Cardiff or the valleys
Never classed Birmingham as a big club, crowds have been shit for years bd they have always lived in Villas shadow, considering the size of the city of birmingham their support is crap, and they have only ever won one trophy 60 years ago
They won the League Cup 10 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
Was it John Cobbold who said, “A crisis at Ipswich Town is the stock of red wine in the boardroom running low”. A brilliant, Corinthian view of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
Always thought of Ipswich as a proper football town. They’ve got a great history (depending on your age) and I still see the scruffy Eric Gates scoring goals in that Ipswich Adidas jersey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
My reminiscing just reminded me...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Izzpry...ature=youtu.be
Sky's Championship form guide reminds us that we're on relegation form over the past eight games and over the past six games. There are only three teams on worse run of form than us if stretching that out further, the past ten games, or reducing it so to be over past four games.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Derby are in the top ten over each of these time periods and on play-off form in all but one.
:hehe: yes the post match boardroom drinks were legendaryQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
yep stand corrected :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Always liked Ipswich until I went there a several years ago and they were charging City supporters £35 to sit in a run down stand with a poor view and legroom unsuitable for Snow Whites helpers.
Since then, along with Sunderland, my curse has worked far more effectively than all these so called gypsy ones cast on various football clubs.
You said “if we were both going for promotion”. Well, for a start, towards the end of our last promotion season we were able pull crowds above Birmingham’s capacity. That’s not an opinion, that’s a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Birmingham, much like Cardiff, have an average attendance that seriously fluctuates depending on the teams form. However, comparisons of figures of both teams, in both divisions in the last 10 years puts us ahead of them. They averaged just over 25000 in their last 2 seasons in the Prem. we averaged over 31,000.
In the last decade our average has been under 20,000 on only two occasions. Birmingham have only averaged over 20,000 on 3 occasions and one of those was 10 years ago in the PL.
They are not a big club. No bigger than Cardiff City and certainly NOT in the same bracket as the other clubs who are at the wrong end of the table this season such as Derby, Forest and Sheff We’d.
We were a couple of pelanties away from winning it ourselves :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
I wouldn’t even class Derby and Forest as big clubs anymore. You can only dine out on former success for so long.
Forest had some real glory yrs under Clough and Taylor. They arrived on the scene like a breath of fresh air, and at one time, boasted one of the best teams that has ever graced British football, but they faded away just as quickly as they arrived, and have been floating about in the back waters for yrs now.
Derby have had some real glory yrs as well, but like Forest, have drifted into the long grass.
In our last season in the Premier League we had the 11th highest average crowds despite struggling for results all season. Above clubs such as Southampton,Brighton,Palace and a couple of hundred behind a successful Leicester! We are one of the few club that would get 60k crowds if we were a top 6 team,I just wish a Billionaire could see our potential!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Absolutely. No side has spent more seasons in the second tier than usQuote:
Originally Posted by City123
Fair play, that's a load of bollocks. The league is no respecter of whether you're an established name or not. Suppose we went down with Derby and Forest. Are you seriously telling me you'd back them before us for promotion based on how big a name they'd been historically, ignoring other things like available funds, the players at the club, youth players coming through etc? No point in all that, let's concede now as we're just little old Cardiff City (but not that little historically)....Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Were you smoking that Rastafarian stuff last night?
They are still very well supported clubs to be fair and usually near the top of league when it comes to attendances in this division.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Didnt Derby used to give out 10,000 kids tickets for free or very cheap to bolster attendance? Sure they did some scheme. Good idea really, future fans, buying stuff, more food sales etc...they must be gutted to see Leicester doing so well, a team that dropped into league 1 not so long ago like Southampton did also I think.....Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
It’s like our spiritual home and with managers we go for, it’s likely to remain that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
We've had similar or higher average attendances than Birmingham for much of the past decade, that's what matters right now, not what both clubs were like in the 90sQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Birmingham is massive, they should get far higher attendances than they do
There's also a fairly obvious reason our crowds weren't as high as they could be when Tan took over
Birmingham has two football clubs and the North West of the city generally supports West BromQuote:
Originally Posted by City123
So thats 3 clubs
Cardiff and its surrounding urban area has one club