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16-03-21, 21:55
pomeroy

Tom Sang

IMO a faultless display from this kid tonight in an otherwise turgid game
16-03-21, 21:57
Hilts

Re: Tom Sang

Yeah he played well and looks decent on the ball. One superb pass to Moore as well.
16-03-21, 21:58
Pedro de la Rosa

Re: Tom Sang

Major positive. The players are absolutely spent, Moore especially. One positive, we should get to see Sang, Colwill etc get some minutes.
16-03-21, 21:59
Peajay

Re: Tom Sang

Great display, great potential. Also Ng impresses me more each time I see him.
16-03-21, 22:01
Hilts

Re: Tom Sang

Id like to see Sang in central midfield at some point.
16-03-21, 22:04
WJ99mobile

Re: Tom Sang

Makes you wonder why he never played before.

A very good display and has confidence which is good at fullback
16-03-21, 22:06
MacAdder

Re: Tom Sang

Did well.

Slightly off topic, there hasn't been much about what to chant for the lad, when we next get the chance that is.

Is nobody proposing to sing a song for Sang?
16-03-21, 22:26
Steve the Tea

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hilts

Yeah he played well and looks decent on the ball. One superb pass to Moore as well.

I like Sang a lot and he played well tonight. However he's not a full back or wing back. I think he is better suited to centre midfield and couldn't we have done with him there tonight?

On another point what has Hoilett done to MM that he doesn't get a game? We've missed his runs in a few games recently, resorting to 40 yd lumps upfield that never play to Moore's strengths.

StT.
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16-03-21, 22:29
jon1959

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve the Tea

I like Sang a lot and he played well tonight. However he's not a full back or wing back. I think he is better suited to centre midfield and couldn't we have done with him there tonight?

On another point what has Hoilett done to MM that he doesn't get a game? We've missed his runs in a few games recently, resorting to 40 yd lumps upfield that never play to Moore's strengths.

StT.
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I agree with you but Hoilett doesn't run. He ambles - with close control and a bit of wizardry.
16-03-21, 22:31
Dorcus

Re: Tom Sang

Very impressed with Sang, I hope he becomes a regular
16-03-21, 22:37
City123

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacAdder

Did well.

Slightly off topic, there hasn't been much about what to chant for the lad, when we next get the chance that is.

Is nobody proposing to sing a song for Sang?

I'm hoping we can get a Ciaron Brown chant going to the tune of Golden Brown by The Stranglers
17-03-21, 00:31
life on mars

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by pomeroy

IMO a faultless display from this kid tonight in an otherwise turgid game

Yes he does look like a great new talent, as does NG and Ciaron Brown
17-03-21, 00:54
Steve the Tea

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon1959

I agree with you but Hoilett doesn't run. He ambles - with close control and a bit of wizardry.

At least he goes forward and scores a goal or two. Both of which were in short supply tonight, sadly.

StT.
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17-03-21, 05:38
the other bob wilson

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hilts

Id like to see Sang in central midfield at some point.

It looks like he's got one big disadvantage when it comes to being selected in our central midfield, it looks like he can pass the ball. Our last manager but one seemed to see that as a liability, our last manager talked about passing it more, but gave up on that after very limited success in doing so and our current one appears to be happy with the speculative hook forward from midfield which has become what passes for passing at Cardiff in the past five years or so.
17-03-21, 05:40
the other bob wilson

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peajay

Great display, great potential. Also Ng impresses me more each time I see him.

Think Ng needs to get back on the right as soon as possible.
17-03-21, 06:34
AfricanBluebird

Re: Tom Sang

I generally agree with Glen Williams player ratings but I thought he was a little unfair on Sang yesterday, think he gave him a 6. He deserved a 7 at least. Thought he looked solid, quick and a good passer.

He didn't look out of place at all. I agree with some comments that perhaps he is better suited to central midfield.

The best thing MM has done in my opinion, apart from stopping the rot, is to put trust in some of these youngsters.

The average age of our team under Warnock was 29/30, Harris 28 and now around 26.

Before we signed Ng, Murphy was the youngest regular starter - and actually not that regular.

Sang, Harris, Brown, Baglan and Colwill all making the squad and having more first team experience under MM.

Good to see.

However, last night was painful and I feel sorry for the youngsters - they were very much let down by some senior team players last night. I have been critical of Pack in the past but under MM he has done much better... however, I think he certainly lacked the composure we needed last night. Morrison was also poor... hoofing the ball back to their defenders rather than more considered passing, which he is capable of. Ojo and Bacuna had poor evenings. Moore was very unwise with his runs... was out wide most of the night and when he did get his chances he fluffed his lines. So the youngsters come out of the game wit6h more credit than the senior players.
17-03-21, 06:36
AfricanBluebird

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by City123

I'm hoping we can get a Ciaron Brown chant going to the tune of Golden Brown by The Stranglers

haha. yes that fits.
17-03-21, 06:58
the other bob wilson

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird

I generally agree with Glen Williams player ratings but I thought he was a little unfair on Sang yesterday, think he gave him a 6. He deserved a 7 at least. Thought he looked solid, quick and a good passer.

He didn't look out of place at all. I agree with some comments that perhaps he is better suited to central midfield.

The best thing MM has done in my opinion, apart from stopping the rot, is to put trust in some of these youngsters.

The average age of our team under Warnock was 29/30, Harris 28 and now around 26.

Before we signed Ng, Murphy was the youngest regular starter - and actually not that regular.

Sang, Harris, Brown, Baglan and Colwill all making the squad and having more first team experience under MM.

Good to see.

However, last night was painful and I feel sorry for the youngsters - they were very much let down by some senior team players last night. I have been critical of Pack in the past but under MM he has done much better... however, I think he certainly lacked the composure we needed last night. Morrison was also poor... hoofing the ball back to their defenders rather than more considered passing, which he is capable of. Ojo and Bacuna had poor evenings. Moore was very unwise with his runs... was out wide most of the night and when he did get his chances he fluffed his lines. So the youngsters come out of the game wit6h more credit than the senior players.

I thought Sang embarrassed the older members of the team with the quality of his passing at times and was just about to start a thread about the Wales Online markings under the title "what game was he watching?", but I'll just add a link here for anyone who wants to see them;-

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...stoke-20189927
17-03-21, 07:11
surge

Re: Tom Sang

He was solid enough in defence and energetic in attack but also hooked some balls forward that were too straight and too long so came to nothing.

Quote:

Tom Sang 6

Did well defensively but perhaps needed to do more at the other end of the pitch. A sound night, though.

Think that's a very fair description of his game last night, but really it's just his third start and we're comparing him to NG who has been excellent in that role.

The more concerning write-up is for Brown who also gets a 6 and is described as ok defensively but nervous with ball at his feet. He's in what looks like his best position, has only had one 90mins there, so we now need more from him if we're going to extend that contract. I'm sure we'll see him more after international window to give him a full chance.
17-03-21, 07:37
the other bob wilson

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by surge

He was solid enough in defence and energetic in attack but also hooked some balls forward that were too straight and too long so came to nothing.

Think that's a very fair description of his game last night, but really it's just his third start and we're comparing him to NG who has been excellent in that role.

The more concerning write-up is for Brown who also gets a 6 and is described as ok defensively but nervous with ball at his feet. He's in what looks like his best position, has only had one 90mins there, so we now need more from him if we're going to extend that contract. I'm sure we'll see him more after international window to give him a full chance.

The point is that, compared to his team mates, Sang provided less "hooked some balls forward that were too straight and too long so came to nothing" than his team mates and actually displayed some quality passing at times.

You seem to be saying that the Wales Online hack is right in his opinions of Sang and Brow. When you compare the marks he gave them to the ones he gave some of the more senior players last night, there has to be some doubt as to that surely? In the final games of Neil Harris' time in charge, this guy was doling out threes and fours as if they were going out of fashion - evidently, he thought last night was twice as good as what we were seeing around Christmas time!
17-03-21, 07:51
surge

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The point is that, compared to his team mates, Sang provided less "hooked some balls forward that were too straight and too long so came to nothing" than his team mates and actually displayed some quality passing at times.

You seem to be saying that the Wales Online hack is right in his opinions of Sang and Brow. When you compare the marks he gave them to the ones he gave some of the more senior players last night, there has to be some doubt as to that surely? In the final games of Neil Harris' time in charge, this guy was doling out threes and fours as if they were going out of fashion - evidently, he thought last night was twice as good as what we were seeing around Christmas time!

I don't really know how player ratings work in paper write-ups, and it sometimes appears neither do those picking them. Are they made in comparison to other players or other matches? My ratings on here probably vary between different methods however, for this game, I thought the rating and description of Sang's game was fair but didn't think about comparing him to others when making that judgement.

I struggle to judge Brown because he looks too much like Morrison to me :hehe: If that's what is being said then I'd acknowledge it's his first 90mins in favoured position but also say we need to see more as he's given greater number of chances after international window.
17-03-21, 08:02
the other bob wilson

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by surge

I don't really know how player ratings work in paper write-ups, and it sometimes appears neither do those picking them. Are they made in comparison to other players or other matches? My ratings on here probably vary between different methods however, for this game, I thought the rating and description of Sang's game was fair but didn't think about comparing him to others when making that judgement.

I struggle to judge Brown because he looks too much like Morrison to me :hehe: If that's what is being said then I'd acknowledge it's his first 90mins in favoured position but also say we need to see more as he's given greater number of chances after international window.

I thought six was a fair mark for Brown last night, but struggle to see what Morrison and "cult hero" Flint did to deserve sevens. If Brown was "nervous with the ball at his feet", then the same could be said for at least a half of our outfield players, including both of his centreback colleagues.
17-03-21, 08:07
olderblue

Re: Tom Sang

Sang and Ng were our two best players last night
I'd like to see Sang playing in midfield,
We've had a great start under Mick, just got to keep the momentum going and finish the season off on a positive note, and build for next season
17-03-21, 08:22
FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve the Tea

On another point what has Hoilett done to MM that he doesn't get a game? We've missed his runs in a few games recently, resorting to 40 yd lumps upfield that never play to Moore's strengths.

StT.
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I'm guessing his contract isn't going to be renewed (I'd imagine he's one of the bigger earners?) and Mick would rather focus on looking at players who will be here next season.
17-03-21, 08:42
the other bob wilson

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead

I'm guessing his contract isn't going to be renewed (I'd imagine he's one of the bigger earners?) and Mick would rather focus on looking at players who will be here next season.

Agreed.
17-03-21, 08:47
surge

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead

I'm guessing his contract isn't going to be renewed (I'd imagine he's one of the bigger earners?) and Mick would rather focus on looking at players who will be here next season.

Flint entering his final year of contract and I'd rather see us try to move him on for reasonably big fee rather than keep (second best option) or extend (not my preference).

Hoilett seems out though so I agree with what you're saying.

Back top ratings, top mark yesterday should have been a 7 and, Bacuna aside, I'm struggling to think which of our players deserved that.
17-03-21, 09:45
Hilts

Re: Tom Sang

Those marks are laughable. One horrendous pass by Flint should have cost a goal. Pack was better than Vaulks but 6 at best. How Flint is rated above Sang though.? Or Vaulks.
17-03-21, 09:57
Trigger

Re: Tom Sang

Best thing about the performance for me was he looked like he had been in the first team for ages. No nerves, was good on the ball, very accomplished display.
17-03-21, 10:06
Rjk

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Re: Tom Sang

who scored rated Sang as one of our better players, begins Phillips and Ng
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we can see though that both of our wing backs weren't able to get as advanced as theirs

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all of our dribbles came down the left side

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whereas we made a lot of interceptions on our right, where they were able to attack less and didn't get any shots off.

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yes, I have discovered a new toy that I will be boring you all with from now on
17-03-21, 10:19
Shrewsbury Blue

Re: Tom Sang

Must admit pleasantly surprised by Sang in all his games for us so far. He didn't really establish himself as a first team starter for league two Cheltenham so you would assume he would not make it at championship level but thought he was our best or second best player last night. Wasn't he described as a box to box midfielder when he joined us from Man Utd would like to see him in midfield too though that would probably mean him watching the ball sail over his head in the vague direction of Keifer Moore.
17-03-21, 10:32
BlueArmy 86

Re: Tom Sang

He was our best player last night. We've got some very promising youngsters coming through. What a nice change.
17-03-21, 10:46
J R Hartley

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by City123

I'm hoping we can get a Ciaron Brown chant going to the tune of Golden Brown by The Stranglers

I hope not, hes not of the required standard. Seems a slow version of Ben Turner. Just whacking the ball as hard as he can upfield.
17-03-21, 11:18
Rock_Flock_of_Five

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by J R Hartley

I hope not, hes not of the required standard. Seems a slow version of Ben Turner. Just whacking the ball as hard as he can upfield.

I haven't been able to watch any of the recent fixtures that Brown has played in. However, I do remember Ben Turner quite well, to suggest he's slower than him isn't an encouraging thought.

Is Brown really that slow?
17-03-21, 11:30
Rjk

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

I haven't been able to watch any of the recent fixtures that Brown has played in. However, I do remember Ben Turner quite well, to suggest he's slower than him isn't an encouraging thought.

Is Brown really that slow?

I don't think he's THAT slow
17-03-21, 11:34
WJ99mobile

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

I haven't been able to watch any of the recent fixtures that Brown has played in. However, I do remember Ben Turner quite well, to suggest he's slower than him isn't an encouraging thought.

Is Brown really that slow?

No where near
17-03-21, 11:37
the other bob wilson

Re: Tom Sang

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

I haven't been able to watch any of the recent fixtures that Brown has played in. However, I do remember Ben Turner quite well, to suggest he's slower than him isn't an encouraging thought.

Is Brown really that slow?

He wouldn’t have played wing back against Watford if he was.
17-03-21, 11:46
BlueArmy 86

Re: Tom Sang

Bit harsh on Brown, I think he's done well. Trying a bit hard to look like Morrison though..