A minutes silence tonight for the anniversary of Hillsborough, yet still a few couldn’t refrain from attacking the Real Madrid team bus today.
Always the victims, some always lacking class.
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A minutes silence tonight for the anniversary of Hillsborough, yet still a few couldn’t refrain from attacking the Real Madrid team bus today.
Always the victims, some always lacking class.
When fans are back would a ban on them playing at Anfield for a few European ties be appropriate? Both games in the group stages played at their opponents grounds. Shocking behaviour.
Well clearly the Liverpool fans killed and injured at Hillsborough were the victims of a complete feck upQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
However a jury decided that duckenfield was not guilty of manslaughter
To hear them attacking the real Madrid bus , well it beggars belief really
Why does it beggar belief that they attacked the opposing team's bus? It's not like they've never done it before.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Usual Scouse behaviour, it'll be Ramos fault by the morning.
Didn’t Liverpool fans storm the gate (without tickets) into an already overcrowded end causing a crush of their own fans?
They cannot accepted any blame.
Oh but they are such special nights the European ones at Anfield......how could one possibly not allow it?Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
In a word , noQuote:
Originally Posted by 19bluebirds27
It wouldn’t take a lot to outdo the atmosphere at their league games.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
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Originally Posted by 19bluebirds27
Still reading The Sun then:shrug:
I don't think we are in any position to comment on fans behaviour given the antics of our fans over the years , its certainly not confined to Liverpool fansQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
However I am amazed that at a time of lockdown a visiting teams players coach is attacked
Behave butt.Quote:
Originally Posted by 19bluebirds27
They done Man Citys bus in 2018, they even attacked the ambulance carrying Alan Smith to the hospital complete with his broken leg.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Im old enough to remember the CS gas attack of Ron Atkinson and co in the 80s. It seems to be an Anfield tradition?
Ah well. Karma can be sweet!
I was talking to a Sheffield Wednesay fan who was at the match, last time we played them away. He put the blame squarely on drunken Liverpool fans. Yes, the police made a bad response to a situation, made matters worse by lying about it, but no way are the Liverpool fans blameless. Let's not forget Heysel either.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
That's conclusive proof if ever I've heard it. Case closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by elytillidie
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Originally Posted by elytillidie
Would have saved a hell of a lot of time, trouble & money if he’d have put the record straight in 1989.
Liverpool fans are moaners like none others. It’s never their fault when things go wrong for their team.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The Hillsborough incident has been discussed many times on here over the yrs.The blame has been squarely levelled at the police in charge that day, especially Duckenfield.
The lying and cover ups by the police were disgraceful. Some of the accusations in the Sun were also disgraceful.
That said, i’ve never heard any Liverpool fans put their hands up and admit many entered without tickets when the gates were opened.
Any supporters of any team would have done the same given the opportunity, but never the less it was a contributing factor.
Also, imo, the hooligan element around at the time have the most amount of blood on their hands. If the fences weren’t up, not a single fan would have perished.
For Hillsborough i'm sure some Liverpool fans were drunk, some probably tried to get in without tickets, that would be the same most Saturdays at most grounds.
Police control of the situation, safety planning, stadium regs all far more culpable.
What some chavs attacking a bus 30 years later have to do with innocent fans getting crushed trying to watch the football has to do with anything I don't know.
Do you not think that as it’s the 32nd anniversary of the fateful day today, yesterdays attack on the Real Madrid bus was both disgraceful and lacking class, even it was a bunch of chavs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
That’s why i started this thread.
As the Authority supposed to be managing the crowd at the game, anything that went wrong and resulted in loss of life is bound to land at the door of the Police - which it has done so. That doesn't alter the fact that millions have seen the footage of the Liverpool fans surging towards the gates just before KO. I wonder if it were Millwall or City fans back then, would the eventual outcome/enquiry been the same ?Quote:
Originally Posted by elytillidie
If we were in a major European final , there had been disturbances all day between us and say juventus fans and in the pen next to us juventus fans were giving Cardiff fans a kicking then as sure as night follows day Cardiff fans would have ripped down poorly made fencing to get stuck into the Italian fansQuote:
Originally Posted by elytillidie
What happened after that was down to a crap old stadium
Although quite rightly Liverpool fans involved in those disturbances were put before the courts and found guilty
Whilst people can argue about Hillsborough till they are red in the face the fact is duckenfield lied
I personally failed to see the point of sending the man to prison but that was irrelevant as he was I believe found not guilty of manslaughter
So the only person , I think , to be charged and put on trial for this was him
No Liverpool fans were charged with manslaughter which given that many people think it was their fault , seems odd
I wouldn't have wanted to be a copper on duty that day , police horses were being lifted up by the strength of the crowd , it must have been horrific
Liverpool fans have asked for justice for the 96 , they have had their day in court
I am still amazed that local idiots threw stones at the bus but we have plenty of those too
Some right idiots in this thread fair play.
Yup, some of the responses are shameful.Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
If only that Sheffield Wednesday fan could've had his say between April 1989 and 2019, it would've saved so much time, anguish, upset, depression, likely premature death and not to mention, Money.Quote:
Originally Posted by elytillidie
Of course it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
It's the "always the victims" thing I'm not a fan of.
Chavs will be chavs on any day. Most probably care less that it was any anniversary.
I dislike Liverpool fans as generally they seem to think they are entitled to success due to their historic brand.Quote:
Originally Posted by 19bluebirds27
No, liverpool fans did not storm the gate. They were squeezed into gates by the police who had no idea what they were doing on the day and led by someone with ZERO experience of managing crowds at football matches.
Police decision after police decision was wrong and they hid it and covered it up.
It's one of the most researched and investigated tragedies in UK history and for anyone to repeat these proven lies, means that sadly, the Sun still gets read too much.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
And it wasn't just the South Yorkshire Police and The Sun that promoted the lies and cover up - in the week after the tragedy No 10 was at it too - via the Sheffield Hallam MP at the time, Irving Patnick. It was all part of demonising the 'enemy within' - those who were not 'one of us'. The 'culture wars' go way back and the political right are experts.