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Comment on the BBC website from a North Walian Liverpool fan, posted a few minutes before the end of the Real Madrid game.
"I've never been so disappointed in my 50 years following LFC through thick and thin - goodbye Jürgen and thanks for the lovely memories". Mark, North Wales.
My heart bleeds for him.
Get a grip.
What he should have said was”The first team is no good,the reserves are no good, the Manager is no good, and he doesn’t know how to fix it.
"Thick and thin".:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
Imagine if losing in the quarter-finals of the European Cup two years after you won it and one year after you won the Premier League was your breaking point. Can you imagine if that was us? I'd be so delirious from what happened over the last two years I wouldn't even care.
I lived in Liverpool when I was a student back in the 1970s. At that time, Everton fans were fine; Liverpool supporters moaned more than any others when their team struggled which to be fair wasn’t very often then. Nothing it seems has changed in almost half a century!
thick and thick
whilst genuine Liverpool based scousers are ok , the woolybacks or outsiders as the liverpudlians call Cockney , Welsh , West Country Liverpool hangers on are the worst
Excess Baggage one old scouser described them as.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The plastic mancs in work were happy Liverpool were out but disappointed Citeh won.
Facking knobheads
It's always the same on the phone ins, can play a pretty good drinking game of shots when a Welsh Liverpool or man u fan comes on.
Read a comment, on a forum or article I can't remember now, some Liverpool fan in reply to someone moaning about their club was like " think about how us Liverpool fans feel this season". I get its all relative to you but I think if we had their success I'd still be hungover.
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Originally Posted by Trigger
They've had a sense of entitlement ever since the Shankly-era and it shows no sign of easing up. Probably worse since their resurgence under Klopp, who ironically I like more than any of their previous managers.
People from outside the community, supporting one of the biggest club sides in the world. Who would have thought it...
There's supporting them and then there's acting like you're one of them. It's OK for kids, but don't understand how a grown man can get worked up over a club from a place he has no connection to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
It’s because everyone wants to be associated with a winner. All sports are the same. Most of them have never been anywhere near their nominated team, probably no further north than Caerphilly !Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
You could say the same about City fans who aren’t from Cardiff. How far do you want to strip this back?Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
well you could but that would be sillyQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Liverpool have support from Liverpool and towns in the hinterland such as St helens , Chester, Warrington etc , in the same way we have fans from the valleys , Bridgend, Barry, Porthcawl etc , for people in the valleys cardiff city is their local club
What Liverpool and United have is loads of plastic hangers on from South Wales, Devon, London, Hampshire, Dorset , Kent etc
Whats the local club for people in Hampshire? Its pompey , Southampton etc
As in the case of South Wales the area is represented by cardiff , Swansea and Newport
Its certainly not Liverpool or Manchester United
I’d imagine the ones from far flung places have a connection with the area, born here, parents from here etc. I doubt if many randomly plucked us out to follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
I’m talking about folk from Barry, the valleys etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
They have local teams they could support, albeit not professional, but local.
How far do we strip this back?
What affinity does someone born and living in the Rhondda have, with the City of Cardiff?, or its football team?
Live and let live is a good motto.
Its funny you should say this.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
I remember hearing or reading that after our "heroic" run and appearance in the FA cup final in 2008, people chose us as their team.
I reckon there are quite a few teenagers around the world who have Cardiff as "their team"..... poor feckers! :hehe:
Yea can support who they like but when you start driving past 1 or 2 pro clubs to support another you have no connection to then it's a bit odd for me. But each to their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
My United supporting mate thinks I'm mad for spending money to see city. I thought he was missing out on plenty, and having watched on tele the last year I think it's even worse. Yea we are generally shit but even if we had got promoted this season watching on stream would still have been a pretty bland and poor version of the game for me.
You are being daft for the sake of it hereQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Pontypridd is 12 miles from Cardiff
What connection do people from there have with Cardiff ? Its their nearest football club
St helens is 12 miles from Liverpool.?.......the connection is again that Liverpool and Everton are their nearest clubs
The difference is down here loads of people within 12 miles of Cardiff wear Liverpool tops because ........they are plastic football fans 🙄
Live and let live my arse , Cardiff will never be a big club with people like that around
Talking bollox as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
In total agreement with you in this one Sludge.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
As you say, it's helluva difference supporting your nearest professional club, usually within a 15 mile radius, and throwing your lot in with a historically successful team 100-200 miles away.
I think we as fans and the club itself have to accept that this will always be the case but the club in particular have a responsibility to
help maintain and increase our fanbase. Results on the field are the number one priority obviously but they must take great care not to distance themselves from the local community
Plastic Liverpool fan alert on this thread I reckon.😂
I'm a City fan because my uncle wanted to see the great Arsenal side of the late 60's. Just after Christmas in 1968, he took me to my first game to get a Hull stub (honestly) as you needed to get a stub to get a ticket for the Arsenal game. I was 8, my first time in Cardiff (my first time in any City). City beat Hull 3-0, Toshack, Clark & King and this randomly plucked out person with no connections to Cardiff became a through & through Bluebird.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Ironically many decades later I found out that my Grandmother was born in Cardiff (to Geordie parents who had been transferred from Durham to Splott steelworks).
It started with me and at last count I'd infected, wife, 4 sons, 2 cousins, 1 niece & 1 nephew all now Bluebirds, the closest 45 miles away from Sloper Road.
They are a very insular people .Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
We were born and bred and lived in the City of Cardiff why support anyone else , not bothered with glory hunters and the awful new world of the big clubs ,they can have it , few good seasons here and there , are fine for me and the match day social interactions pre and post game are very equally or better sometimes .Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Wahey!! The CCMB way of dealing with folk who voice a different opinion. Gotta love it 😀Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I did say ‘I doubt if many’.Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
But you went to a game. And I assume you went to many more. I'd have (slightly) less of a problem with some of these folk if they went to games. Most of them just buy a top and watch it on the TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
I used to like Man Utd as a kid, and was lucky enough to get to old Trafford for a game in the late 80’s as a teenager. Whilst I enjoyed watching a big football match, I strangely felt out of place - the people sounded different, it was a long way from home and I never felt that I fit in there. The enjoyment of the atmosphere prompted me to check out Ninian Park after I returned home and despite the much lower attendance and significantly worse standard of football, I felt at home.
I have a good friend down here on the south coast who wears his Liverpool shirt for every game on the TV, has signed Liverpool memorabilia on his wall and refers to them as “we” and never misses a game on the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
He has never been to Anfield and never seen Liverpool at an away game down this way either. He once went to Liverpool on a business trip and we asked him if he visited the ground while he was there and he said no!
When they lost a few consecutive home games in January he said to me and our other mate ( a Leeds fan) you wouldn’t know the pain I’m going through right now - we didn’t know whether to laugh or cry
He does love football but it’s just difficult to understand for those of us who actually invest time and money to go and watch “our” team
I feel exactly as you do. The thing is, there's more than one way to support a football club, i suppose. There isn't a handbook. To people like me and you and most others on here, it's an alien concept, although i'd bet that there are more people like that Liverpool fan than there are supporters like us :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
I live in Pontypridd, and have been a City fan since my first game in 1968, and followed them before that via the papers and results on Grandstand. It's 12 miles from Ponty to Cardiff so it is my nearest Football League club. I suppose the alternative was Merthyr Tydfil in th Southern League. There was no team in Pontypridd then apart from parks football, which i also used to watch and later play for some of those teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I have a friend who lives near Leicester and h is a City fan and travels to games to watch us play. he is originally from Cardiff. It all makes perfect sense to me.
I suppose the other poster expect him to change allegiance to Leicetser, and me to Pontypridd Town?
Yeah, but it's a ****ing great story :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
I lived in Manchester for 5 years
Never went to see or had any desire to see United or City
The only football I watched was CCFC at Bury, Rochdale , Wigan , Stockport , Oldham etc
People from South Wales who are what I call proper football fans have Cardiff City , Swansea , Newport etc in their blood and if they move to say Birmingham they might take in a few villa games for example but they will either actively follow say cardiff , often coming home for games or still look out for our results
The difference between these people and the fakes found wearing tops of the big clubs , 200 miles from the clubs ground is about as subtle as a brick
Put it this way IF there are people in South Wales with Merseyside connections ......as the cardiff fans in Birmingham have South Wales connections .......then by heck South Wales has a massive liverpudlian community , as yet not written about
or say bolloxQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
You have taken a leathering here to be fair
I have no doubt he loves football and loves Liverpool and does feel gutted when they lose but the wider football community know the score hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
People like him haven't been up to catch the 0625 to Paddington or gone to Mansfield or Lincoln and lost
Genuine Liverpool fans from Merseyside and genuine United fans from Manchester would rather chat to proper football fans than these hangers on , many working class scousers and mancs were priced out of home games as the clubs knew there were loads of day tripper fans ready to fill anfield and old Trafford
The rest just watch on the TV
From Devon, Dorset , South Wales , Berkshire, Surrey
A few years back we met up with a family from Audenshaw on holiday in Lanzarote, kids were playing together and we ended up having a few beers with them. He was disillusioned Man Utd fan, he used to go to games at Old Trafford, few pints in The Trafford or Dog and Partridge before and after the game, he loved it. But, and this was over 20 years ago, he reckoned his club didn’t want the likes of locals like him any more just paying the watch the match. They were pushing the commercial side 100mph, his take on it was that they were more interested in coaches from all parts of the country pulling up at the megastore hours before kick off, spending a fortune on tat, the next home game there’d be coaches from other parts of the country doing the self same thing. It worked I s’pose, they became the richest club in the world through such a strategy but the disdain they showed for their local fans leaves a bad taste in the mouth. I wonder if FC United will make the Football League one day?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I certainly hope they doQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Both United and Liverpool are horrible corporate beasts and I always want them to lose
Of course so are city , chelsea, arsenal and spurs
Would be good if Norwich put one on the big boys next season
What I find particularly annoying about Liverpool is that they way they present themselves as this working class club for local people rather than the corporate beast currently trying to suck all competition out of the game, at least Man United embrace what they are somewhatQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Must be incredibly difficult for the likes of Stockport and Tranmere to attract fans from the local area when you've got Liverpool, United, Man City and Everton just down the road