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BBC News - Chesham and Amersham: Lib Dems overturn big Tory majority in by-election upset
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...herts-57472032
Labour did well
The Lib Dem winner looks a classy lady , I am going to e mail her
Does make me laugh to see the liberals rejoicing in victory as though its a tidal wave , they will get a kicking at the next election
I dislike the Tories (almost) as much as you do but how does coming 4th with 1.6% of the vote constitute Labour doing well?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I understand that Labour effecively stood aside to let the Libs have a clear run.
I think these sort of informal arrangements may be the only way to unseat this awful Tory Government.
I assume the comment ‘labour did well’ was sarcastic ? They lost their deposit !! Usually unheard of for a main opposition party at mid term in a Government. Shows how useless they are at the moment. Also, as you say, the sight of Ed Davy and his new MP telling the British population and Government how the country should be run is both ridiculous and laughable for an irrelevant party like theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The words ‘clutching at straws’ comes to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Labour leader
Labour got 622 votes, 1.6%, - their worst ever return.
Not that well really.
Not really, for the Lib Dems to swing that size a margin round a certain amount of tactical voting is extremely plausibleQuote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Labour did well to step aside, as they couldn't have won here.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
I know the area quite well through family, it is about as Tory as you could possibly imagine, I really can't see Labour winning here, they've only ever been second here once!.
Even if Labour hadn't stepped aside, the Tory vote collapsed so much that the Liberals probably would have won anyway.
This was a disaster for the Conseratives, they absolutely haemorrhaged votes here they will try to paint it as being worse for Labour, or about "HS2" , but I think that like the recent "red wall" votes the biggest single issue is still Brexit here. This constituency, which has a lot of professionals who commute into London, was quite strongly in favour of remain
Brilliant stuff.
Lets get the bufoon and co out.
I actually think they put up a candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Labour leader
I was being sarcasticQuote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
I was indeed taking the pissQuote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Labour in England are dead
I was taking the piss , I want the labour party to naff off , its finishedQuote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
Oh :hehe: :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
If they join forces with SNP / Sien Fein and give them them independence vote plus cancel HS2 all done up like a kipper .Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Labour leader
Still think Labour and Tory support of HR2 was a huge factor , lets wait for the next one to be sure of the trend as it was a Labour seat in Batley and Spen .
You just feel a lot of elections are now fought on significant local issues ?
Interesting dynamics at play in Batley /Spa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_B...en_by-election
I think Batley and Spen is likely to go to the conservatives
Do you have anything that leads you to believe they did a deal? If you do I'm sure sludge and others would love your insight. After the result the silence from the Labour party was deafening. If they had done a deal shirley they'd have been telling us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Labour leader
Either way it's not good. Government, specially one with a big majority, needs a strong focused opposition and at the moment that is non-existent.
[QUOTE=life on mars;5199064]If they join forces with SNP / Sien Fein and give them them independence vote plus cancel HS2 all done up like a kipper .
Still think Labour and Tory support of HR2 was a huge factor , lets wait for the next one to be sure of the trend as it was a Labour seat in Batley and Spen .
You just feel a lot of elections are now fought on significant local issues ?
Bi-elections are almost always fought on local issues, that's why they tend to throw up odd results. And the Liberals have always been very good at mustering their abilities to fight bi-elections, as far back as Orpington.
But I doubt that will be much comfort to the Conservatives.
Ed Davey's reaction to the victory reminded me of David Steel's 'Go back to your constituencies and prepare for Government' speech years ago.
We're still waiting.
I keep waiting for the backlash against the Tories, who are in my opinion, the most corrupt, inadequate and useless bunch of grifters ever to govern.
And yes we keep waiting, and waiting.
Maybe this is a slight blip or the start of the english middle classes finally having enough of tory lies and uselessness.
This has to be a freak result based on local issues. No way is this a Liberal Democrat "revival". As for "Labour standing aside" that is a complete joke invented by one of their spin doctors I suspect. Only 622 votes - come on, pull the other one!! Tories can claim the usual "it's a by-election and the party in power always gets a bloody nose" mantra.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
Easily the most useless Prime Minister and front bench in memory. Even on this board criticise and theres a significant minority upset and into defence mode.
In 2017, Corbyn received 20.6% of the vote in this constituency, under starmer, 1.6%.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
If you look back through the previous elections though 2017 is very much an anomaly. I would have thought that was likely to have been far more about Brexit than an endorsement of Corbyn's labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
In every other election there Labour haven't finished higher than third.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/s...882580482?s=20Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I make it Wilson in the lead by a nose, cheers for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Probably, although Corbyn wasn't exactly pro Brexit. The reality is that he hates the EU (as i do) Because of EU Austerity, the rise in unemployment and the formation of far right groups has boomed, although i think that we've had that conversation.:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
The Tories had never got less than 50% of the vote previously. Suddenly it's in the mid 30s. If the Tory vote holds then it doesn't matter what labour or the lib dems doQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Could well be. Then they'll ditch the conservatives and go and vote for ... oh, hang on.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
Wow left leaning Chesham and Amersham , who would have thought that ,does this confirm Starmer is a Tory ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Still doesn't totally explain the big swing to Liberals though ?
It’s funny, all of the news outlets that I’ve heard, seen or read think the main story from this by election is that the Conservatives lost a seat that has always been theirs, but on a Cardiff City messageboard they’ve decided the issue worth talking about is what happened to the Labour Party :shrug:
some of the Tory press have predictably tried to frame this story as a labour oneQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Fair point, although i only added to it! :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
No credible alternative to the Conservatives
This was a one off , whatever the liberals think
Unless a I don't vote tory alliance is formed sharpish then that's it , curtains
Regarding this latest MP, has anyone mentioned she's from Harry Wilson's Corwen?
We are at the point where, to get rid of the Tories, we need an alliance of Plaid, Greens, SNP, Labour and the LibDemsQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Plaid and SNP would want a committment to a referendum on independence. Labour and the LibDems would never agree.
However surely even independence can be parked for a few years just to get rid of the Tories.
Why would Plaid, Lib Dems, Greens and SNP want to form an alliance with the bunch of has beens called Labour. Not everyone wants to get rid of the Tories anyway - including the nearly 14 million people who voted for them in the election just 18 months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
The majority of those who voted , by a large margin , want to get rid of the toriesQuote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
They are too stubborn to realise though that in order to do so they need to merge
The UK has been a two party state for many many years
The sensible approach for those who don't vote tory and thats most of the country would be to form a anti tory alliance
Its the only way forward now the Scots have turned their back on Labour and its going the same way in England
Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a cloud of mushrooms
The Labour Party and Liberals need to fold and form a third way and mop up other parties , plaid are a waste of time , SNP have killed off Labour in ScotlandQuote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
Vote Third Way