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Pathetic display all round. No idea no urgency no nothing. It was all too easy for a classy Danish team. Big sort out needed, and this game shows how far behind they are. They got away with it in the group but not today. Don’t blame Page- he’s got no quality to work with. It’s a long road back, and perhaps the hype will now die down.
I agree.
Disagree,there’s plenty of quality to work with.Page is/was massively out of his depth.
We were beaten by a much better team today. Our key players are Bale and Ramsey and both are past their best
This may well have been our golden period.
For a limited bunch - we are internationally let’s face it - we have done all we could have expected.
No manager
No plan B - quite right.
Good players but odd tactics throughout. I think they’d do better with a proper manager.
What kind of big sort out do you suggest if Page has no quality to work with ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivortheengine
This team got as far as the quality in the team would allow. The 2016 vintage had Bale and Ramsay at their prime, a younger Joe Allen and a better defence. Unless we can produce another couple of world class players in the near future, our level of expectation should be lowered considerably.
Nice to read some realism, we qualify for one tournament, do better than anyone could have expected and, based on some of the post match comments on here tonight, some acquire a sense of entitlement totally out of keeping with what being a Wales fan has been historically - the OPs just a wind up merchant mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
Where was this quality? It wasn’t on show today.Quote:
Originally Posted by theclaw
unlucky Wales, knackered
Naff off ifor you daft nerk
Not really. Our midfield is a shambles and we're trying to play out from the back with players that aren't good enough. I think Page is a really poor coach but our squad isn't that good outside of Bale and Ramsey. I just hope we have some decent kids coming throughQuote:
Originally Posted by theclaw
Keep reading my posts like you are doing now- you’ll learn somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
At least clubs will not be falling over themselves to sign Keiffer Moore.
fecking staggering
A team has qualified for the euros , got out of the group and lost to a very good Denmark side
Robert Page is crap , the players are useless
Its like the living dead on here
now I know why lions kill their youngQuote:
Originally Posted by Ivortheengine
Nothing wrong with criticism, our performance was terrible and if Giggs is found guilty and gets sacked I'd hope we don't go forward with Page as manager. The players were fantastic against Turkey, fortunate to get a point off of the Swiss but sadly were out played today, that was largely down to our ineffective set up and tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
No-one has said the players are useless, you are being your usual hyperbolic self.
Pathetic display , midfield is a shambles , out of our depthQuote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
Ff sake with friends like that who needs enemies
The miserable entitlement ridden attitude of a large number of cardiff city fans is mirrored in the so called support of the national team
We qualified and did really well in 2016
We qualified and didn't do so well in 2021
What do people want ? F3cking Jones Town Massacre ?
A game too far today but your comments are spot on Welsh football in general has had a golden generation with Wales, City & the Jacks being successful, long may it continue but tempered with realism, as the 30 somethings move on, we’ll have to adapt and find the true level of the future team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
(But I have a feeling that will be after the next World Cup, twice at the Euros but no World Cup opportunity may still tempt Bale & Rambo)
Yeah the midfield is a shambles, can't retain the ball or win it back. Sadly that's what you get with a Luton town backup. I don't know what you expect really, we've just been done 4-0 and had about 3 shots on goal. "So called support" Have a day off mate, I've spent enough money following Wales around and seen some horror shows, I'm grateful we are actually qualifying for tournaments but I won't overlook that performance just cause I used to see us get beat by the Montenegro's of the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
No-one is entitled, I didn't even expect us to get a win at this tournament let alone get out the group stage. I thought Denmark would beat us because frankly they are a much better team, but I expected much better than that. Is that wrong?
lets be honest, Wales are limited in the number of quality players we can pick, always have been, we are unable to put world class players in every position
Team work / team spirit / hard graft / together stronger can only take you so far, 2016 it worked well and got us way further than most expected, it was great
we thought we might have had a few young kids who were going to be world class players, Harry and Brookes being maybe the 2 best, they are just lower 1/2 prem players
lets hope for one last hurrah from the old boys, Bale, Rambo etc etc, Qatar might be a decent trip
Spot on. I hope that before I die I get to see Wales play in the World Cup Finals. We won’t win our qualifying group. We may not even finish second but the Nations League will give us that play off opportunity. I hope Bale stays to see us through.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
I think the future is bright for Cymru football.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Many things conspired against us..
- Page WAS out if his depths and had no plan B
- We were shafted by UEFA in terms of locations for our games
- the refereeing has been appalling in our games - - Ampadu was a loss... Never a red
- Moore booked for jumping when his opponent didn't, gets booked and then has to be careful all game
- the foul on Moore before their second would have been given 99 times out of 100.. the ref was completely out of his depths
- James has zero protection throughout the tournament
While these seem like excuses I acknowledge last night was overall a poor game for us
However, apart from changing managers, I don't think any of these things point to us needing a complete 'overhaul'... We are punching above our weight and have a wonderful group of players
Bale can still be of great service to Wales... Page git his position wrong.
Ramsey has been good overall... Against Italy and Hungary he showed what a class act he is.
I know everyone is disappointed, but some of the overreacting on here is remarkable.
Some people on here are saying the same thing England fans do and we laugh at them
For it.
Hypocrites
Question. Was it a level playing field? I mean Euro 2020?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivortheengine
Take Switzerland.
First game in Baku -
Second game in Rome -
Third game in Baku -
Three games in 8 days and 12,140 km travelled - 7587 miles
Take England.
First game in London.
Second game in London
Third game in London
Fourth game in London
Fifth game in Rome -
Sixth game in London -
Seventh game in London. Total distance travelled 2,200 miles in 5 weeks.
Take Denmark.
First game in Copenhagen
Second game in Copenhagen
Third game in Copenhagen
Fourth game in Amsterdam 493 miles
Apart from the first game against the Swiss, Wales played in front of a partisan crowd in all other games. We saw a tired performance yesterday, a lot of tired minds.
An obscene format on a number of levels: sporting, environmental, public health, etc. One hopes this is the first and last time this format gets used. At the very least if you were to run with it then the home advantage that some countries have been handed simply shouldn’t be allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
If an illustration were needed, both ourselves and the Swiss could’ve taken invitational berths for the Copa America this year comfortably with the distance both squads have travelled for the Euros.
In footballing terms Wales were awful yesterday. Doesn't detract the overall achievements of our tiny nation, but that shouldn't blind us to the fact that we went out yesterday with a whimper - let's not forget Denmark's top scorer plus Errickson were absent.
far bigger player base than us , all over the pitchQuote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I do feel we restricted ourselves with the squad selection too. To go with just one recognised striker in Moore - who has played a full season and ran himself into the ground for the city - without any real backup save Colwill, who was never going to get on the pitch, seemed a little suspect at the time and a little foolish now. Not meaning to single him out as it’s just one example and no offence to Colwill, I hope he comes on for us this year, but experience aside including him in the camp for the tournament seemed a waste. Get him in the upcoming squads for the qualifiers and NL but not a tournament camp.
I’m not saying HRK or Volkes are world beaters or guaranteed to change a game but they both still play at a decent level, have experience, and provide fresh legs in a position where we just didn’t have any during these games.
Relatedly, Page seemed very unwilling to make substituons or change things around until far too late in all of the games (save Italy where the relatively early card forced the issue).
While not an excuse, the distance the players have travelled in such a short time is certainly a mitigating factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kind of Blue
No team, no matter how accomplished could perform consistently well if they have to travel large distances between games, change hotels, move to different training facilities etc etc. Even the fittest of athletes would suffer from such disruptions.
Platini has made many bad decisions in his time at the helm, but making some teams travel to Asia while others remain in their backyard is possibly the worst of the lot.
I am as proud of our team as much as I was in 2016. We are the smallest nation in the tournament, we qualified from a tough group and for the most part played as well as can be expected. Ultimately we met a very good footballing side who were too strong for us on the day. Just keep supporting the team and let's put this bad result behind us.
Page needs to go. We need a hungry, young European manager, one who is looking to improve his CV at international level, as there is no Welshman at managerial level who can take us forward.. Page managed at Port Vale and Northampton. Neither team under him pulled up trees, and it showed how out of his depth he is at international level. Kasper Hjulmand was streets ahead of Page last night.
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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird
Pity that some cant actually see the points you have made. This so called tournament was geared up for the favoured countries, Wales and Switzerland drew the short straws and it caught up with the side yesterday. We have a couple of players who can perform on the world stage, but in all fairness to them, games catch up with them. The others are just lower division standard, so at the end of the day achieving a last 16 round is an exemplary moment.
This as well
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57629385
To be fair to Page, he wasn’t employed to be manager. The so called manager has let the country down….again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
Kieffer Moore has obviously done a great job but I can't help but feel if we didn't have a big man option we'd be forced to play more on the ground and our possession, passing and ball retention would improve. Too many long balls, too much direct football is much easier to play against and slows everything down.
From a selfish point of view I was getting to the point that I’d never see us in a major tournament, whether in the flesh, like France, or on the telly like this one. So to have witnessed us take part in two of the last three major tournaments, play ten games, win 5, draw 1 and lose 4, scoring 13 & conceding 12 is ok for me. It means in the latter years of my life, I’ve seen Wales qualify twice and the City play in two major cup finals and top division. I’ve seen a lot more success for club & country than many, many other City & Wales fans, I’m reasonably happy with my lot.
How are we looking with regard to qualifying for the World Cup? Another one riddled with corruption in Qatar……I wonder if I will see us qualify for another major tournament when we lose Bale and Rambo…..Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
Surely the appointment of Azerbaijan's largest energy company as UEFA's major sponsor 3 months before the awarding of the Euros to .... Azerbaijan ...... must be coincidental..Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
This ^^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
My lads first game was 2003 v Leeds, he’s only seen positives from City & Wales, not the drudge I watched for the previous 35 years
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue