.....or more to the point, I hope any Italians in London keep safe tonight!
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.....or more to the point, I hope any Italians in London keep safe tonight!
Why let a 19 year old kid take your 5th one - surely someone like grealish should have been in the top 5 or Sterling?
Also why bring players on just to take a penalty?
It’s pressure enough without knowing the only reason you are on the pitch is to take one kick.
The funny thing is, after a shootout defeat you normally hear fans saying "why didn't he bring on X in the 119th minute for the shootout".Quote:
Originally Posted by Toadstool
I'm quite glad this happened. It shows there is a reason why experienced managers don't do this.
There goes our extra bank holiday then!
How sad..............
These players are professional players, Champions League winners and Premier League winners amongst them. It’s their job, it’s what they do, practising with a ball all week , playing in front of hostile grounds all over the place. Taking penalties shouldn’t be a problem for them. Age doesn’t even enter into it. If you’re good enough, you’re okd enough.
Blame cannot be laid at the doorstep of Rashford, Sancho or Saka, the senior players were too scared they might harm their reputations in they missed, so the reason is probably England players can’t handle the pressure. Senior players in that squad should hang their heads in shame.
Southgate chose the penalty takers, based on who was best in training.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
My mate said they both said no to taking one in the huddleQuote:
Originally Posted by Toadstool
Can’t believe no credits gone to the goalkeeper who did very well
What I can't understand is......Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Those were three dreadful penalties but:
1. They MUST have practiced and planned in some detail for a penalty shoot so how come all three were SO poor (especially Rashford's! :facepalm:).
2. How come everyone seems to be above criticism - Southgate and the three players concerned?
England did really well in the tournament and have clearly improved but, like the last World Cup, lost to the first really good team that they faced.
And yet there is zero criticism of anyone - constructive criticism is actually a good thing and will probably help in the long term, but all that everyone is saying is how well they did. That penalty shoot out was a fiasco, aside from Pickford making two very decent saves, so where is the objectivity?
Just bizarre.
So much for Henderson being a leader. He'd rather let a 19 year old step up and take it than be man enough to do it himself
he was subbed off wasn't he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad
Henderson got taken off before pensQuote:
Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad
He said that whether its completely true is another matter. I can see why he wanted Sancho and Rashford on to make the penalty line up stronger but if Grealish and Sterling demanded to be in the 1st 5 I find it difficult to believe they would have been left out by the manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Think its a mental thing not strong minded like some countries who seem more single minded .
I find the selections of penalty takers very bizarre .
Southgate's pragmatic approach to this game was very poor ( up until now though he'd got it right ) after scoring so early a lesson has to be learned , what a waste of an opportunity , Pickford on so many occasion had no one to throw it too upfield in an attacking positions very talented forward players such as Lewin, Bellingham Sancho , James , Grealish ,Rashford just left on the bench or brought on so late in the name of safety first , dreadful tactics .
Some of their fans are simply appalling individuals ( well actual vile scum )
In the end I wanted Italy to win because of all of the above and I have a deep family connections to England .
Hopefully World football will now come out and say that England's chances for hosting 2030 will not be considered due to the safety and respect of people around the world .
Maguire and Kane clearly good at penalties and Rashford usually good but not sure he'd kicked a ball before taking a pen. Sancho also fits that description.
I wouldn't have had Saka as 5th (Rashford a better option?) but Pickford was probably the 6th choice judging by past penalty records.
Donnarumma and Italy are also very good at penalties.
Italy werent very good yesterday they missed 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
Even if they were the best penalty takers in training, then they simply have to deliver (not easy I know!) otherwise why bother? But for ALL three to then fail so miserably has to raise questions surely? (It wasn't like Donnarumma made three great saves after all....)Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
But apparently not. Just really, really weird.
If Henderson had stepped up in training and wanted to take responsibility I'm sure he wouldn't have been subbed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
He was probably taken off to make sure he didnt take one seeing as how he wouldnt let Calvert Lewin take one the other day and he then missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bald Barry Bastad
Completely different taking them in training though isn't it? Southgate heaped pressure on Sancho & Rashford, hardly a surprise they missed as they had barely touched the ball! Its exactly why other managers don't do it. Fair play to Saka for taking the responsibility, but an experienced head needs to take that, regardless of how good he is in training
They dished the knighthoods and awards out a bit early didn’t they?
Rashford will have to go back to telling the prime minister and elected government how to run the country then I suppose .
Good grief.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
Let's hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
Luke Shaw is another I thought would be there - isn't he a free kick specialist?
I don't think they practices penalties that much - Rashford does the same thing every time, all the goalie had to do was do his homework and stare in him down and make the move - put more pressure on Rashford ( who already had the pressure of coming on to do one thing ). Disaster waiting to happen.
I don't think Saka has ever taken a competitive penalty in his career. He's only a teenager. Training doesn't get you ready to be the fifth of five in that kind of pressurised situation. He should never have been put in that position. It does no credit to the likes of Grealish and other more experienced players.
The whole game was odd, he started with 7 defensive minded players and all his skilled attackers were on the bench - - where they stayed until it was too late.
Did he? I thought they volunteered and senior players like Grealish didn’t have the courage to take one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
well that's what Southgate said anyway - that could just be him protecting his players thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Grealish tweeted this morning to say that he wanted to take one but Southgate made the decision - he was annoyed by the claims (including Sky Sports News and CCMB) that he bottled it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Agree about Sancho and Rashford, that was bizzare. Not Saka though. He's out there playing in a semi final, i don't think that he needs protecting.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Grealish would have fallen over and hit his head on the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I don't think he needs protecting from taking a penalty, but having him take the 5th one baffled me. Its an extraordinary amount of pressure to put on a teenager who hasn't had the best game and not taken a penalty (as far as I'm aware) in professional footballQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Part of me's surprised Pickford wasn't in their first 5 :hehe:
Why does Pickford's face wind me up so much? It's completely irrational....Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
That tickled me, I’ve never seen an irrational face:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
He reminds me of David Batty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
God knows somebody needs to.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
And from what I’ve heard from him so far, why not.
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Originally Posted by Tuerto
Me too!
His face brings something primal out in me.
:flare::flare::flare:
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Originally Posted by Dave Blue