for penalties. is it just me or do they miss more often than they score?
I wish they'd stop doing them.
also when teams sub on players at the end of extra time, just to take penalties they always seem to lose
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for penalties. is it just me or do they miss more often than they score?
I wish they'd stop doing them.
also when teams sub on players at the end of extra time, just to take penalties they always seem to lose
Players using the hesitation method trade in the power aspect. If the keeper guesses the right side to dive then there's a better chance he can keep it out. It was certainly the common denominator last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
It's supposed to take a keepers guess out of the equation. The taker should be able to react to seeing him move and choose the other side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Of course. It would be interesting to see some stats as to how well it works in practice as a split-second assessment has to be made by the penalty taker.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
We're nearing the point where keepers are wise to it though, so it loses the effect. Pickford knew exactly what Jorginho was going to do so just waited until he hit the ballQuote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Unless you’re Marcus Rashford, in which case it doesn’t matter whether there’s a goalkeeper there or not because you can’t even hit the target.
I really wanted to see Grealish miss one.
All players are capable of missing a penalty - you and your team just have to make sure you win the game anyway - but not all players remember where they've come from and do so much good work for vulnerable children.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieBird
Weirdly, it was probably Italy keeping the ball in play with Rashford and Sancho stuck on sidelines that made the difference. Nothing wrong with bringing on later specialist penalty-takers but we like goalies to get an early, unpressured touch of the ball and forwards probably need to kick a ball in anger before a penalty shoot-out too.
It's more than skill, it's a battle of mental nerve and game theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Ever since I saw Pete Hooper bang them in back in the sixties (still probably the hardest shots I have ever seen) and Ronnie Bird doing the same a few years later I have always preferred the hit it as hard as possible in the corner method.
But very often the savvy goalkeeper stays central when he can see a 'stutter pelanty" unfolding in front of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I'm convinced when that happens the pelanty taker often hasn't thought it out thoroughly, and has to make a split-second decision about which side to now put it.
They would do well to copy the technique of the late, great, Peter Whittingham.
most of the great penalty takers I can think of all banged it in as hard as they could.
kane, shearer, Lambert, chilavert. Alexander
le tissier placed them rather than blasted but I can't think of anyone who tried to do a stutter run up who has a good record over a long period.
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Originally Posted by RonnieBird
It's a wonder Kane never "FELL OVER" on his run up !!!
First time in the game that he stayed on his feet, after taking four strides :hehe:
Kane should have been pulled off at around 60 minutes, he had nothing in the tank after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
He didn't close down the opposition, his passing was weak and he simply jogged around.
England played with 10 men for most of the second half onwards.
Jorginho? I know he missed last night, but he has a great record from the spot. Also, his isn't a complete stop stutter, its just a hop before he strikes it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Was surprised jorginho missed, usually so cool and roles it in.
I do prefer Maguires type of pen though, run up smash it top bins, run back.
yeah Bruno Fernandes does a hop as well thinking about it,Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueArmy 86
Keiffer takes a mean pen, hard and high, ‘keeper has no chance.
He certainly does, no hesitation.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
But if the taker hits it in the corner, either side, and the keeper hasn't made a move, then it's an almost certain goal. The ball will travel faster than the keeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
The keeper will leave his choice as late as possible, but he cannot wait until the ball is moving.
Maguire's looked amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
I know the Swansea physio from a few years back. There was a Europa game where Bony smashed it in the top corner. Also looked amazing.
But on the bench they were pissed off with him. It may have been unsaveable but it also reduces the margin of error. The coach advice is always to keep it low.
Can’t understand the ‘keep it low’ thing, a diving goalkeeper is always ending up ‘low’, with a rising ball the ‘keeper is going down whilst the ball is going up.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
The keeper dives to his left or his right. He goes to ground. Anything above 5' is going in. If you keep your nerve and concentrate, you should be able to kick a football between 5' and 8' high from 12 yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Just giving a first hand anecdote from a top level bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
They're probably wrong, of course.
if I was talking a high pressure penalty in a final od a major competition I would simply kick the ball straight into the top corner of the goal every timeQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Really, a penalty shootout should never end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Nail on head, that’s why they do end, because takers haven’t got the arse to do a Kieffer (or a Maguire:puke::hehe:) and blast it high into the right or left hand top corner. ‘Keeper can’t save them, but some players like to showboat a bit with Ali shuffles and Fred Flintstone in his car trot ups instead of practising, practising & practising again banging it in the top corner, they’re pro footballers for Christ’s sake, should be a simple task to perfect. Francis Lee had it off to a tee.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
on the other hand
https://twitter.com/OFalafel/status/...879059975?s=19
:hehe:I did consider Fred’s bowling technique as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk