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The beeb normally does this kind of thing very well
A new angle on the day I haven't seen before. Very interesting stuff.
It was and it totally avoided the stuff that followed , which was fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
But those attacks led to rambozo and his clown Blair going on a mission from God
And what a complete tissue of lies that was all based on
This was a great programme!
Will take a look at this. Stuff fascinates me to this day.
There’s a new doc series about it on Netflix and also one on national geographic too.
It was good….fascinating to see what Bush was going through that day. They thought he and Air Force one was a target initially which must have made that interesting to say the least. To be fair to bush, he didn’t hide away….he wanted war and revenge big time thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Very interesting programme.
Bush and Blair , war pigsQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
I wonder what the contributors of this thread would have done in the aftermath of 9/11 if they were Bush or Blair ???
I wouldn't have invaded Afghanistan or Iraq and my track record proves itQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I would have invaded Afghanistan but not Iraq and I also would have placed Mark Drakeford in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Perhaps the actions of leaders prior to Bush & Blair (although they ballsed up) led to the 11/9 atrocities.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
This is so pedantic :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
In my humble opinion they were due to apply atrocities in the name of their warped version of Islam , let's not forget Clinton decided not to bomb training camps in Afghanistan and Al Qaeda was formed in 1988 during the Soviet Afgan war , they were always going to deploy death on Western civilisationQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
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Originally Posted by splott parker
But the emergency telephone number in America isnt 119Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Not to detract from any of the suffering of people from 9/11
But shame the Beeb doesn't report on the indiscriminate killings of the US during drone strikes and bombings in the guise of peace
Innocent people are innocent, no matter their nationality or race
Indeed, sadly that's every war there's ever been since time began.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
You even get countries with nutty dictators murdering their own just because they a different tribe of religion its not just the USA or UK , their a convenient target .
You mean like this report, that I saw several times on the newsQuote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
BBC News - Afghanistan drone strike: 'Ten people died here'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58389243
Ah. That’s reported on just as much as 9/11.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
SecondedQuote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Sludge would have emailed Cardiff City to complain :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I went on a stop the war march in Cardiff and LondonQuote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
It didn't stop young men being sent to die but you have got to do something eh stan
I meant my track record for never invading Middle Eastern countries, I'm not so sure about you, I've heard rumours about the 80'sQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The u.s. had every right to get afghanistans taliban
What did they 'get'?Quote:
Originally Posted by nugent
we know that al qaeda had training camps in Afghanistan, that's no secret, the Shorbak area ( on the Pakistan border ) had a massive training camp, the size of a Village with different compounds teaching different activities
should the " Civilised World " have ignored them and just prayed that your own country was not subject to a terror attack. ?? ? ? then when your country was attacked and innocent lives lost we could have held a inquest into how " Mr Terrorist " travelled to Pakistan, then onwards to Afghanistan and attended a terror school for 3 months
we all know we had to do something about the issue back then
Picking holes in the way he's decided to articulate his point is pety.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I'm just interested in the point Graham has made and want to understand it. Nothing petty. Although most of his posts are wind ups!Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
He seems to be saying the USA had a right to invade Afghanistan after 9/11. I disagree, but that is an old argument. But he is saying the point of the invasion in 2001 was to remove (get) the Taliban? I thought it was to remove the Taliban from government in order to destroy Al Qaeda? They partly succeeded - although the biggest successes against Al Qaeda were in Pakistan! But after 20 years, the Taliban are back (they never went away), a corrupt puppet regime has collapsed, and 240,000 people are dead as a direct result of the war and occupation. I don't believe the USA and its allies had the legal or moral right to invade, and if they 'got' the Taliban they didn't stay got for long!
Those marches are pointless in my opinion it's a shame the same people don't use their energy to march to raise awareness in helping ex servicemen.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
As for what your saying above i've witnessed and experienced enough to not get into debate on that subject.
The Sudge emailing the club was just a joke 🙄
Just my opinion but i believe the US and co will be back there within a couple of years. It's just a waiting game nowQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
A kickingQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Young men
Not Bush and Blair
The answer to the question .......what would you have done ......was clearly not invade Iraq and Afghanistan!Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
It's a complete disaster , young soldiers have died for nothing and terrorists still operate
Utter waste of lives
If a government launches an illegal war in another country then I think protesting about it is the right thing to doQuote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
Those of us that marched wanted the servicemen prevented from going to Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place , we wanted them here , not sent home in body bags or with their legs blown off . There wouldn't be a need for help the heroes to raise so much money if that stupid war hadn't have injured so many young men
If you think that's pointless and those marches are a waste of time because they didn't stop the illegal war then that's fine but you have to stand up for what you believe in
The anti war protesting did nothing to change what the goverment decided.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Sadly they didn't give two hoots about the marches nor the soldiers that were deployed.
If people think that war is over i think they will be surprised.
The US in in opinion are waiting for certain things to unfold before using a new already planned strategy out there..
If Britain is dumb enough to try and join America in another assault then people will protest again , this time in even bigger numbers . People will now know what a complete waste of time the invasion was and I would be very surprised if the protests fell on deaf ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
If I was a soldier and it was announced we were invading the middle east I would look for another job . Its great that we have people who are brave enough to join the army and protect our country but this would be another bloodbath .
Utter madness
How many would have died in terror attacks if we had left the camps alone and given them a free pass to run these camps ? ? ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
the option to ignore the situation was never really on the table
unless of course you think these camps didn't exist and was all just a Lie
You can't just decide i'm not going there if that's where your sent that's where you will go.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You can't give them a note off your mam or dad asking not to be sent to nasty countries due to you being up all night with an upset tummy
I think most of the Bush Blair attack following 911 was based on a load of lies ......don't you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Don't tell me you believe there were weapons of mass destruction and saddam was a major player in the terror stakes ?
How long do you think it will take to destroy any new terror camps and do you honestly believe that the west is telling the truth about them and the ones they said they found and destroyed ?
I know that but I would look to people to solve problems rather than send young men to their deathsQuote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
If we have another conflict as you predict then more young men who joined the army to travel the world , help people , gain friendships etc are going to be slaughtered
It doesn't seem to be working
Why is it its British lads who are sent in under the shield of America to die ?
Why don't we keep out of this ?
We are not the worlds policeman anymore
I don't know how comfortable I am with being non-interventionist. It appears to have become the default position of the left but my view is that we should try to something to help people who are effectively held prisoner in a system that doesn't accept them. Whatever the true purpose of the war in Afghanistan, the withdrawal will cause the population of that country to have a shittier life. If I see someone in the street getting a crap deal, I stick up for them, I don't really see how this is any different.