Astonishing radio documentary about Satanism in the USA, child abuse and a woman sentenced to 47 years in prison

The whole series of 'Culture Wars' on Radio 4 have been excellent but this episode (broadcast just minutes ago and available via the following link) takes the biscuit. It's just half an hour long.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00120vp

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

The whole series of 'Culture Wars' on Radio 4 have been excellent but this episode (broadcast just minutes ago and available via the following link) takes the biscuit. It's just half an hour long.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00120vp

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is that the Jon Ronson one? I've been meaning to listen

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Originally Posted by Rjk

is that the Jon Ronson one? I've been meaning to listen

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Indeed it is. It's shocking in a way one may not expect.

I’ve been listening to it and have been meaning to mention it. It’s well worth a listen, I thought the abortion one was crazy.

I like all of Ronson’s stuff, some of his books are great.

All bollocks, no doubt. We've been here before, both in the US and the UK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic

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Originally Posted by tforturton

All bollocks, no doubt. We've been here before, both in the US and the UK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic

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Rather than me adding a spoiler I would recommend lending it an ear.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

The whole series of 'Culture Wars' on Radio 4 have been excellent but this episode (broadcast just minutes ago and available via the following link) takes the biscuit. It's just half an hour long.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00120vp

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I’ve just listened to the 3rd episode about the televangelist and the HIV positive priest. Really interesting episode, that Tammy came across as a pretty amazing woman!

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I’ve just listened to the 3rd episode about the televangelist and the HIV positive priest. Really interesting episode, that Tammy came across as a pretty amazing woman!

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Yes, that one was really interesting too.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Yes, that one was really interesting too.

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I’ve just finished the satanist one, absolutely mad that it ended up being the longest and most expensive case in US history.

finally got around to starting this. Ronson is excellent at this kind of thing.

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finally got around to starting this. Ronson is excellent at this kind of thing.

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He is, I could listen to him talk about stuff like this all day.

He’s done some good books too, and does the reading for the audiobooks. You’ve been publicly shamed, psychopath test and Lost at Sea are well worth a listen.

Lost at sea is especially good as it’s a lot of his old columns. Even manages to make deal or no deal sound interesting :hehe:

Ronson is from Cardiff, although he couldn't wait to move away. Didn't enjoy his time at Cardiff High.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Ronson is from Cardiff, although he couldn't wait to move away. Didn't enjoy his time at Cardiff High.

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Talks about it briefly in one of his books, got really badly bullied apparently.

His parents were English anyway so I don’t think he really considers himself welsh either.

Also played keyboards for Frank Sidebottom which surprised me.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

The whole series of 'Culture Wars' on Radio 4 have been excellent but this episode (broadcast just minutes ago and available via the following link) takes the biscuit. It's just half an hour long.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00120vp

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It's interesting that in different cultures, it emerges in various forms - (including witchcraft, voodoo and freemasonry) - but will always come down to the influence of dark spirits - here is one example of voodoo jumping across the Ocean and forming a tragic combination of confusion known as "Voodoo-Catholicism" > The core belief of New Orleans Voodoo is that one God does not interfere in daily lives, but that spirits do. Connection with these spirits can be obtained through various rituals such as dance, music, chanting, and snakes.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

It's interesting that in different cultures, it emerges in various forms - (including witchcraft, voodoo and freemasonry) - but will always come down to the influence of dark spirits - here is one example of voodoo jumping across the Ocean and forming a tragic combination of confusion known as "Voodoo-Catholicism" > The core belief of New Orleans Voodoo is that one God does not interfere in daily lives, but that spirits do. Connection with these spirits can be obtained through various rituals such as dance, music, chanting, and snakes.

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I take it from your screed above that you haven't actually listened to the programme :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

It's interesting that in different cultures, it emerges in various forms - (including witchcraft, voodoo and freemasonry) - but will always come down to the influence of dark spirits - here is one example of voodoo jumping across the Ocean and forming a tragic combination of confusion known as "Voodoo-Catholicism" > The core belief of New Orleans Voodoo is that one God does not interfere in daily lives, but that spirits do. Connection with these spirits can be obtained through various rituals such as dance, music, chanting, and snakes.

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Absolutely nothing to do with the episode.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Absolutely nothing to do with the episode.

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He doesn't appreciate the irony concerned :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I take it from your screed above that you haven't actually listened to the programme :facepalm:

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Yes I have, and I can see why you all love him, as his liberal views and scathing attitude towards anyone with a hint of morality or respect for the almighty is going to earn him more followers each week. I agree that the case he highlights was crazy, immoral and contrived; yet so were the actions against a host of well known stars including Cliff Richard & Paul Gambaccini, however just because we know of such innocent yet wrongly accused individuals, we shouldn't assume that nothing at that level is happening, and the likes of Jimmy Savile was also a figment of someones imagination!
You will recall his comment about some americans acknowledging a 'higher being' - yet people can do that without any reference to God whatsoever; and the declaration for freemasons entering their craft is just that, which is fitting because it fits the luciferian practices therein.
As for the drinking of blood, I agree this really sounds bizarre, but it wouldn't take you or anyone else more than 15 minutes online to learn about many people that we've both heard of who have done this.

As for the media clips, keep them coming, I welcome all information both light and dark (wait for the Brains comment) :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Yes I have, and I can see why you all love him, as his liberal views and scathing attitude towards anyone with a hint of morality or respect for the almighty is going to earn him more followers each week. I agree that the case he highlights was crazy, immoral and contrived; yet so were the actions against a host of well known stars including Cliff Richard & Paul Gambaccini, however just because we know of such innocent yet wrongly accused individuals, we shouldn't assume that nothing at that level is happening, and the likes of Jimmy Savile was also a figment of someones imagination!
You will recall his comment about some americans acknowledging a 'higher being' - yet people can do that without any reference to God whatsoever; and the declaration for freemasons entering their craft is just that, which is fitting because it fits the luciferian practices therein.
As for the drinking of blood, I agree this really sounds bizarre, but it wouldn't take you or anyone else more than 15 minutes online to learn about many people that we've both heard of who have done this.

As for the media clips, keep them coming, I welcome all information both light and dark (wait for the Brains comment) :thumbup:

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I wouldn't say he has a scathing attitude towards the people he features at all, quite the opposite in fact, he seems to go out of his way to genuinely try to understand their motivation and see their point of view, which is why he is so disarming (one of the reasons) and why his interviewees seem to open up to him so readily. he could so easily do a stitch up job on these people but you can see he genuinely tries to get the whole picture.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Yes I have, and I can see why you all love him, as his liberal views and scathing attitude towards anyone with a hint of morality or respect for the almighty is going to earn him more followers each week. I agree that the case he highlights was crazy, immoral and contrived; yet so were the actions against a host of well known stars including Cliff Richard & Paul Gambaccini, however just because we know of such innocent yet wrongly accused individuals, we shouldn't assume that nothing at that level is happening, and the likes of Jimmy Savile was also a figment of someones imagination!
You will recall his comment about some americans acknowledging a 'higher being' - yet people can do that without any reference to God whatsoever; and the declaration for freemasons entering their craft is just that, which is fitting because it fits the luciferian practices therein.
As for the drinking of blood, I agree this really sounds bizarre, but it wouldn't take you or anyone else more than 15 minutes online to learn about many people that we've both heard of who have done this.

As for the media clips, keep them coming, I welcome all information both light and dark (wait for the Brains comment) :thumbup:

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I don't 'love' the broadcaster. I was simply very interested in a most incredible miscarriage of justice for which the police were partly complicit.
I'm not particularly interested in continuing the 'God debate' with you personally as I am fully aware of your position (and which I find incredibly ludicrous). I merely thought that some posters on here may be interested in the broadcast concerned for a variety of reasons, most of them not being religion at all.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Yes I have, and I can see why you all love him, as his liberal views and scathing attitude towards anyone with a hint of morality or respect for the almighty is going to earn him more followers each week. I agree that the case he highlights was crazy, immoral and contrived; yet so were the actions against a host of well known stars including Cliff Richard & Paul Gambaccini, however just because we know of such innocent yet wrongly accused individuals, we shouldn't assume that nothing at that level is happening, and the likes of Jimmy Savile was also a figment of someones imagination!
You will recall his comment about some americans acknowledging a 'higher being' - yet people can do that without any reference to God whatsoever; and the declaration for freemasons entering their craft is just that, which is fitting because it fits the luciferian practices therein.
As for the drinking of blood, I agree this really sounds bizarre, but it wouldn't take you or anyone else more than 15 minutes online to learn about many people that we've both heard of who have done this.

As for the media clips, keep them coming, I welcome all information both light and dark (wait for the Brains comment) :thumbup:

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If you listen to the episode where he interviews the son of the priest who started the anti abortion movement you’ll see he’s about as neutral as you can get.

The problem is you’ve made a tit of yourself by commenting on something you didnt even listen to and are now trying to take another thread off on a tangent.

Either listen to it and give a relevant comment or stop commenting.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I wouldn't say he has a scathing attitude towards the people he features at all, quite the opposite in fact, he seems to go out of his way to genuinely try to understand their motivation and see their point of view, which is why he is so disarming (one of the reasons) and why his interviewees seem to open up to him so readily. he could so easily do a stitch up job on these people but you can see he genuinely tries to get the whole picture.

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Yeah it’s the thing he’s best at, doesn’t come across and snide or smug in the slightest and genuinely seems to be able to understand where most people are coming from.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I don't 'love' the broadcaster. I was simply very interested in a most incredible miscarriage of justice for which the police were partly complicit.
I'm not particularly interested in continuing the 'God debate' with you personally as I am fully aware of your position (and which I find incredibly ludicrous). I merely thought that some posters on here may be interested in the broadcast concerned for a variety of reasons, most of them not being religion at all.

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1. Thanks for not joining the throng who assumed I didn't listen to it, as you were correct in taking me at my word.
Also I was genuine in my request for any other links you may wish to share. My studies in the occult, a subject that has suddenly expoded in both entertainment and real life since around the 1970's, has led me to many fake examples but also many real, damaging and sadly fatal accounts too.

2. I understand why you and others would avoid dialogue with anyone who trusted God's Word as in recent decades the world of education and entertainment has provided the opposite viewpoint to such a point that God's existence can be airbrushed out of life as long as we don't look at the evidence too closely.

3. As for the presenter being balanced - I did notice a few subtle jibs about this (the time of the investigation & trial) being a time when over 90% of Americans believed in a higher power and also the implication that now people were more enlightened and free to explore their 'natural' feelings, hence life was becoming less inhibiting and less held back by old fashioned values. When we get to determine how life should work or how death should occur and how we can get 'better' as a society then feelings get to trump reason & morality, if it feels right then just DO it!
Stable relationships become rare, sleeping around supposedly provides satisfaction and faithfulness is somehow overrated; of course this shift in life's 'upgrade' is going to produced millions of lives that are inconvenient and ultimately unwanted, but not to worry, we can get that *sorted! So since this shift has got into 4th gear we've seen:-

* and yes I am aware that the threat to the mother's life is a genuine case for abortion in certain cases.


More than 1.5 BILLION babies have been aborted worldwide in the past 50 years.
An estimated 50 million abortions are carried out throughout the world every year.

One in five pregnancies worldwide end in abortion.

42% of all yearly deaths in the world are from abortion.

Every two seconds a baby is aborted - every time your heartbeats a baby dies.
Baby girls are a particular target of abortion: at least 100 million girls have already been wiped out through gendercide - the deliberate targeting of baby girls for abortion.
In 2011 the Wall Street Journal reported that 163 MILLION babies were aborted simply because they were girls. They called it "The war against girls"

Yes, we should be really proud :frown:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

2. I understand why you and others would avoid dialogue with anyone who trusted God's Word as in recent decades the world of education and entertainment has provided the opposite viewpoint to such a point that God's existence can be airbrushed out of life as long as we don't look at the evidence too closely.

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I would prefer it if you kept your screeds about your chosen deity on threads where the topic has already been discussed at great length.
Your literal belief in everything written in the Bible is beyond debate and I find it exceedingly silly.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I would prefer it if you kept your screeds about your chosen deity on threads where the topic has already been discussed at great length.
Your literal belief in everything written in the Bible is beyond debate and I find it exceedingly silly.

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Your comfort zone won't be troubled again.

So how about the other 90% of the dialogue?

How have we ended up on the topic of abortion?

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

How have we ended up on the topic of abortion?

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The first episode of the podcast is about where the culture war on abortion started and how it wasn’t really an issue for religious people before the 70s.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

The first episode of the podcast is about where the culture war on abortion started and how it wasn’t really an issue for religious people before the 70s.

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not really an issue for evangelists, it was for catholics

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

The first episode of the podcast is about where the culture war on abortion started and how it wasn’t really an issue for religious people before the 70s.

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Indeed, and this is linked to a major shift in sexual behaviour in the 60's when the Pill was first available and free 'love' was the vibe of the day as late 60's unfolded. The net result is 1.5 billion lives destroyed before they saw the light of day - putting the likes of Hilter in the shade with it's scope and bloodshed.

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Your comfort zone won't be troubled again.

So how about the other 90% of the dialogue?

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Your remark about my 'comfort zone' is another exceedingly silly comment. You just can't help yourself.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Your remark about my 'comfort zone' is another exceedingly silly comment. You just can't help yourself.

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Well stop being part of the victim culture and maybe you can actually join the discussion. You've had your wishes granted, fret not.

How can you discuss this?! You haven’t listened to it :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

How can you discuss this?! You haven’t listened to it :hehe:

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Even TBG has left that camp, try reading the thread and you'll see i've made multiple comments about the report.

Or are you on decaff?

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Well stop being part of the victim culture and maybe you can actually join the discussion. You've had your wishes granted, fret not.

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More of purile same. As for joining the discussion, I started it :facepalm:

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More of purile same. As for joining the discussion, I started it :facepalm:

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Indeed, which is why I thought you may wish to discuss it and why I invested half an hour by listening to your recommendation; obviously you feel that the time element is a one way street. There again maybe you are inclined to talk to anyone who agrees with you.
Either way.

An interesting thread gone ruined

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

An interesting thread gone ruined

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Making false accusations isn't going to help.
We've all heard the piece, so people can either discuss it or whine.
Why not try option 1?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Indeed, which is why I thought you may wish to discuss it and why I invested half an hour by listening to your recommendation; obviously you feel that the time element is a one way street. There again maybe you are inclined to talk to anyone who agrees with you.
Either way.

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Yet another slur, no surprises there. You are the only poster on here that I find it impossible to have a rational discussion with and it's obvious to all and sundry just why that is.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Yet another slur, no surprises there. You are the only poster on here that I find it impossible to have a rational discussion with and it's obvious to all and sundry just why that is.

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Very obvious, because like so many others you don't bother to get enough information on people, so you jump to the wrong conclusion.

I've NEVER said I take the Bible literally, nobody takes ANY book 100% literally. You read it in it's given context, otherwise you end up with Bob being everyone's Uncle. Maybe if you chatted with people instead of complaining about them with faulty assumptions you may actually find yourself in a dialogue - you may not end up agreeing with them but at least you'd appreciate their position.

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An interesting thread gone ruined

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Got any recommendations on what to buy the wife for Christmas?