Following on from the WTA suspension of all chinese events
Yet we're celebrating Qatar like some sort of milestone.
About time people started standing up for what is right. Well done USA
Printable View
Following on from the WTA suspension of all chinese events
Yet we're celebrating Qatar like some sort of milestone.
About time people started standing up for what is right. Well done USA
What do you mean, we're celebrating Qatar? Everyone hates it going there, don't we?
We in the figurative. Meant fifa and the football world.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Qatar should have been scrapped long ago but unfortunately money talks
its only a diplomatic boycott though isn't it ? so just no White House official representation
the USA Athletes will still compete
As far as I’m aware athletes can choose to compete but not under the USA bannerQuote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
It’s a start
Celebrating the USA on human rights. WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
The officials aren't going . That's all ...
Man on messageboard saves world by moaning on messageboard.
Qatar's state-owned utility company is one of FIFA's major sponsors.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Come on Eric, it's not like they're barking mad https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-massie-trumpQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I generally don't agree with sport and politics mixing. The Olympics is an arena where public officials can mix and start to normalise relationships.
That said, it is a persistent source of annoyance hwo many people, esp on the left, would always get so apoplectic with rage over, for example, a Trump tweet and never say anything about China. "Nasty tweet - Furious! Concentration camps for Uighurs - no comment."
So in that sense I am glad that the US is highlighting the increasingly authoritarian, dangerous and power hungry Chinese regime. It's not Mao yet they are positioning themselves into a position of global dominance
I think that ship has sailed. Meanwhile, the US Republican Party lurches to far right extremism and is the bigger threat. I"m not defending any authoritarian regime either, but, whilst we've been squabbling in Europe and the US has lost the plot, China will be way ahead technologically and can dominate using a mouse and keyboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Perhaps there is a factor involved whereby people expect better behaviour and human rights from countries that are supposedly democracies rather than autocratic and theocratic countries where human rights have always been in short supply.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I've seen plenty of people defending Trump on here, and I've never seen a single post defending Chinese treatment of the Uyghurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Even this boycott is nothing to do with the Uyghurs whatsoever, not even close, so it's an odd argument you're making.
You're kind of proving my point by comparing the democratically elected former president to the Chinese communist party. The two arent remotely comparable, and thats kinda the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Many people get overly exercised on smaller issues, and ignore far greater crimes.
You can oppose both of course, but I see few examples of that.
This will mean nothing until teams and athletes pull out it would hit the pockets hard and force the likes of China, Russia, Qatar to become inclusive, diverse and truly democratic, sadly these countries know we can be bought off so easily with corporate sponsorship licking thier lies, we offer pathetic gestures in the name of so called outrage .
They were your examples, ya goon.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
And the idea that the majority of people who oppose Trump are supporting China's treatment of the Uyghurs is absolutely mad.
Apart from that, very nice post, 8/10.
Look what's happened recently with people moaningQuote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Even locally, it's kept 2 Camarthenshire schools open.
If the moaning become the majority change happens. It's the apathy that often allows many to get away with stuff
I think the US has tried to force democracy on countries, with variable success.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Saves the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Nah, ya plonker, I'm saying they aren't comparable. And then you implied they were (by saying...well, I've seen people praise Trump, but not the Uighur concentration camps!)Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
That's the point, the differences are absolutely stark yet people barely focus on the unarguably far more evil behaviour. I don't know why. Not trendy I guess. Maybe because we feel we cant make a difference?
I think people really should redirect some of their rage away from "middle class lefty" causes and towards some of the truly authoritarian and regressive stuff going on in the world, much of it is in China and needs a light being shone on it far more. When we focus on luxury issues, we give repressive regimes a free pass.
So in that sense, if the US helps achieve that, even whilst I dont like sport and politics mixing too much, then it's a good thing.
I don't disagree with the general point you're making, and totally agree that China gets away with murder whilst people cry foul about other stuff, but I'd be fascinated to know what you consider a "luxury issue"Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
We do, the biggest sign of corruption in FIFA we ever seen…..Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
captain whattaboutary strikes again
Please copy and paste the sentence where I compared Trump and the CCP.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I agree that more should be made of what China is doing with the Uyghurs, but the US boycott is nothing to do with it. And the bit about lefties disliking trump is definitely nothing to do with it.
Fair question. For me it's things like trying to get speakers you don't like banned, trying to shame advertisers off TV channels you dont watch, writing hysterical things about newspapers you don't read. A disproportionate response to statues, perceived accusations of sexism, racism, fascism etc that rarely hold up to scrutiny, especially when said person actively ignores those things when they really happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
I do balance that against the fact that what happens in ones own country is of course more important and also that we do and should hold democracies to a greater level of scrutiny.
But, I just think the balance isn't there, and being lectured by people who care more about stopping Fairy Liquid from advertising on GB news or injustices 200 years ago than literal concerntration camps and mass denial of rights in 2021 does grate somewhat.
I remember growing up, the left honourably objected to the treatment of Tibet, to apartheid South Africa (a little before my time) and unjust wars. That was my experience, and why I was very left-wing in my youth - I used to be a member of the Respect Party. Now it seems they get riled up by speakers at universities and shouting at old statues.
The right rarely protest against anything, so aren't any better, but at least they are less sanctimonious about it all.
Was just reading the USA pulled out of the 1980 Olympics in Russia due to the hosts invading Afghanistan….I reckon more countries will pull out of this games (athletes) if it goes ahead anyway…..
It's a Micky Mouse Olympic event , silly pale skin people sliding around on ice and snow , it's very unfair to warmer climate countries and people's ( no skiing in deserts) just pull out ' let's it go ' as the Frozen song goes
They will represent their nation, all it means is that the VP or any dignitaries will not attend.
UK does the same
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/st...629172745?s=20
Seems a bit mad to boycott the Olympics but inevitable dive head on into Qatar
It's not a boycott. It's a diplomatic boycott. Some officials won't go.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox