It seems perverse to me that some of the most vocal anti vaxxers in my locale are still intending to get their dog’s annual vaccine!!
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It seems perverse to me that some of the most vocal anti vaxxers in my locale are still intending to get their dog’s annual vaccine!!
You are talking about people who are refusing to have a vaccination from a virus that might kill them, or give them life-altering permanent issues, because of some bullsh!t that someone on Facebook came up with.
I'd stop looking for logic when dealing with morons.
One of my mother's carers previously was a vaccine refuser or whatever its calledQuote:
Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick
Idiots
Good read on why we have anti Vaccine Hesitancy
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...cine-hesitancy
5Cs model, which considers the following psychological factors:
Confidence: the person's trust in the vaccines efficacy and safety, the health services offering them, and the policy makers deciding on their rollout
Complacency: whether or not the person considers the disease itself to be a serious risk to their health
Calculation: the individual's engagement in extensive information searching to weigh up the costs and benefits
Constraints (or convenience): how easy it is for the person in question to access the vaccine
Collective responsibility: the willingness to protect others from infection, through one's own vaccination
I think it gives a kind listing as to why and I'd add a few more like intelligence , race , religion, western medicine , big pharma ,politics, naivety .
Just found out a very loud annoying person I know who is an anti vaxxer and has been banging on for over a year about what a government hoax the whole thing is, just tested positive for the very thing that apparently doesn’t exist….
That's unfortunateQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
One health trust has 14 midwives not wanting the vaccine and may resign ??
1/3 Londener's without jab .
It's been put down as anxiety??
I think the main reason for this ‘mystery’ is blatantly obvious - the fact is that a significant percentage of the UK’s population are idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
We’re more than 22 months into a global pandemic and yet a considerable proportion of the British public haven’t yet mastered the art of wearing a mask properly. That tells us all we need to know.
6 million remain unvacinated mainly under 40's third of those are within the 18 to 24 age group .
Seems to be a very one eyed approach to this on here. A man I used to work with has had life changing negative effects from the vaccine and I myself have had serious health concerns have the potential to be linked to it.
Do I believe in Covid? Of course I do! Do I believe vaccines play a major part in our recovery as a nation? Of course I do!
Do I have reservations and am I scared to have my booster due to what I've experienced? 100%!
There are other options other than:-
1. Up for the vaccine
2. Crazy crack head anti vaxxer
What happened to him?Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
When it comes to these idiots, I’m happy for natural selection to take its course.
Some will argue its about democracy and choice , I notice neither party wants to support mandatory vaccine , there is even defence given to health or care workers not being forced to take the vaccine .
Spot on. Easy to ridicule those with legitimate concerns as “anti vaxxers” or “morons”.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
My brother is a medical doctor, and very wary of the vaccine - and he’s not planning on taking it until there are longer term safety and efficacy tests. He’s certainly not an “anti-vaxxer”, “moron” or “covid-denier”.
He works in A&E and has treated many young previously healthy men in the their teens and twenties presenting with heart issues following being vaccinated.
I’m due for my booster this week, and will happily do so - I’m comfortable that although the risk of covid for my age (mid 40s) is very low, it’s greater than the tiny risk of the vaccine. For our children who are statistically at virtually zero risk of covid, I would far rather see some long term safety data.
The worst thing about these morons is that they prioritise what they saw on Facebook or their ideology or whatever against pragmatic action and science. And because of that, they are contributing to high hospitalisations, which effects us all by limiting hospital beds. And the issue is that to avoid the overloading of the NHS, restrictions are needed. Added to this, they are keeping the virus in circulation more than the unvaccinated are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick
In short, their “choice” is having adverse effects to us all, who have chosen to get vaccinated, wear masks etc. And I think that we are in a situation that is comparable as being held in hostage because we face possibly needing restrictions because of some people’s refusal to get vaccinated (and be careful in general).
It is crazy how social media misinformation has led to such a butterfly effect
I just hope they take more care of their dogs than they do themselves.
Anti-vaxxers make most noise....Quote:
Originally Posted by pomeroy;5256546[B
Lost the feeling and use on one side of his body, issues with his lungs, uses a wheelchair to get around. Appreciate this is a very extreme reaction but scary none the less.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I had an artery tear in my neck which could have caused a stroke at 41. A bit of googling (I realise that's not complete fact) and I see I'm not alone in that. Went to a private consultation and he couldn't rule out the vaccine being involved, and that's enough of a concern for me.
Vaccines are without a doubt amazing but the long term unseen effects of this really concern me.
One doctor has treated ‘many’ cases? Are you sure….?Quote:
Originally Posted by Re-sign Carl Dale
Are the problems in first case you mentioned confirmed as being a result of the vaccine? Also, out of interest, how old is the person involved?Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
As for your case, I completely understand the concerns when you develop a problem around the same time as getting the vaccine. It’s the same with any medication. This much I know from personal experience. You always worry that the medication was the cause of the issue even if there is no direct evidence. I think that’s only natural.
I know a guy who took the vaccine then got hit by a car 2 days later. They are not safe and I won’t be taking one
They were confirmed mate yeah. He's about 55Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
And yeah, I may be being overly cautious but having to go to A and E and be referred to the stroke clinic at relatively healthy 41 is scary.
I'm not usually like it at all, the drugs do indeed work, in fact I'm on antibiotics and steroids as I type and ironically on aspirin to limit the chance of me having a stroke due to the artery tear so science works 💯
There is definite evidence that there is a increase risk of heart conditions in the youngQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Someone I know had a blood clot from vaccine complications and ended up losing a few fingers
That'll go down as a Covid death then 🤣Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitman
The week before last, a good friend of mine’s son was shopping in the city centre. He began to feel a bit dizzy, so he left the shop he was in for a bit of fresh air. A minute or so later, he collapsed. Fortunately, the receptionist of the hotel he was outside at the time saw it happen and rushed to his aid, as did a couple of passers-by.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
He was rushed to hospital, where it was discovered he’d had a stroke. He’s recently turned 15! He had no known health issues prior to this. He was kept in hospital for a few days and is now undergoing various tests to try to find out the cause. He hadn’t had the vaccine, so that definitely wasn’t a factor. Scary stuff.
I can understand your worries. I’m sure I’d be the same. It’s the conspiracy theorists, the space cadets and the arrogant individuals who think they are somehow bullet-proof that irritate me. But then, as you know, most people irritate me if the truth be told. 🙂
I know, but I was under the impression that such cases were extremely rare. Therefore, with all due respect, I find a claim that one A&E doctor has already treated many such cases somewhat hard to swallow.Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
That's horrible mate, hope he's ok in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Yeah I get that mate and people that make baseless sweeping statements that are pure scaremongering, piss me off massively too.
Thinks he’s a bit of a hero now according to his mum. They’re doing all sorts of tests to try to determine the cause, but as things stand he appears to have no immediate issues. Under strict orders to take it easy of course, which is a big ask for a kid of his age who feels fine, especially at this time of year.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
Speaking as someone who has lost a couple of very close friends to sudden, totally unexpected deaths, the seemingly random nature of these things still shocks me.
Absolutely agree, and I would feel the same if I didn’t know him. I’m only going my what he’s reported to me and they were his words.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
He’s generally dismayed at the level of non-covid triaging and treating that A&E are picking up the pieces for due to mental health issues relating to lockdown and not being able to access GPs or other medical services (he’s in Scotland so have been stricter than us). Whilst I absolutely don’t doubt that he’s seen several young men with heart issues - and apparently one died- It’s quite possible that there is some confirmation bias going on and there would have been some anyway.
To add balance, my brother is generally very suspicious and sceptical of “big pharma” (which isn’t as unusual as one would suspect … unless you practice in USA).
I spoke to him recently and he was lecturing me yesterday that the government’s message should have been do more excercise, stop eating crap and make sure you have plenty of Vitamin C and D rather than don’t leave the house. He made the analogy of so many of us are in poor health that we are like rotten apples about to fall off the tree - and coronavirus is giving the tree a big shake.
Either way, I’m having my booster - and my pension is heavily invested in pharmaceuticals and the value has rocketed over the last 2 years!
It's scary mate and just reconfirms my opinion that we should treat every day on this planet and a gift.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
It happens, lost a guy I know this time last year, heart attack, 44. 2 young kids with no dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Well said 👏Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitman
You've left out the pretty crucial point that the risk of heart conditions from catching Covid is way higher thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
"We estimated between 1 and 10 extra events of myocarditis in 1 million people vaccinated with a first or second dose, but 40 extra cases in 1 million people infected with COVID-19" - Oxford professor and study lead Julia Hippisley-Cox.
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...dy-2021-12-14/
when i went to the Philippines i took a bunch of shots as i'm sure they (anti vaxx) would too...i wonder if these wankers fail to see that medicine is trying to save them.
I don't if it is still the case, but the Sun used to be the biggest selling daily newspaper in the UK, and the reading age of the Sun was about 8Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
It was the tits that sold it (and I know a few tits who bought it too).Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
I have sympathy for people who are fearful.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
I also have complete sympathy for those that oppose compulsory vaccination on moral grounds.
Novel, deadly viruses are a fact of life. It’s no-one’s fault.
It’s just so disappointing that there are so many selfish, attention-seeking idiots. Healthy people who don’t wear masks in closed spaces is the epitome of disregard for your fellow man/woman/other. Classless individuals.
- “But it’s my right not to wear one.”
- “ It’s not ALL about YOU , you self involved plank”
The most annoying ones are those who have a mask over their mouth, but not their nose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
Agreed with that mate, non invasive things like mask wearing and basic respect for others should be a given.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Wright
Yes! Either do it properly or don't bother with your token gesture.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM