Fascinating read this
https://www.viewfromtheninian.com/20...the-graduates/
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Fascinating read this
https://www.viewfromtheninian.com/20...the-graduates/
Reading that just makes me want Bellamy back at the club even more.
I wonder if Spence is pissed off that Cardiff finally utilised the academy after he left. I know I would be.
Very interesting. I was just about to post that too - along with the other two interview/articles done with Scott Johnson for VFTN in the last few days.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Bellamy has got the 'bullying' allegations still muddying the picture (despite the internal club investigation that pretty much cleared him, and his apology for any fault) and he is clear about wanting a year at home with his family. But I would love to see him back in some capacity at the club - coaching, mentoring, game preparation, tactical work.....
https://www.viewfromtheninian.com/20...y-coming-home/
https://www.viewfromtheninian.com/20...y-the-academy/
Not to have him involved in the club is such a wasted opportunity.
one the Rovers coaches ( he isn't 1st team though ) speaks highly of Spence, says he will make it in the game, maybe not prem but closeQuote:
Originally Posted by City123
How is that man not part of our club?
I never really liked Bellamy as a player (before he came to City), but having read his autobiography and these interviews I admire him as a coach.
As much as anything else, he speaks of them with genuine affection
That was interesting. He gives his thoughts on what they're good at, he also tells us what they can do to improve, i like that honesty in him, on both counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
nice article, hopefully he'll continue his coaching journey
Hang on. didn't we try to block man city from taking matondo? Not sure how that tallies with Bellamy's story here.
If i was a cynical person after reading what Bellamy had to say, then i'd say that it sounds like Bellamy didn't rate Matondo that highly. Let him go because he was getting into trouble in Cardiff. I'd love to believe that, i really would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick
We appealed Matondo's move but I do recall stuff about us not being overly bothered with losing Matondo if we kept Spence and the stuff about off field problems rings a bell. I've definitely seen versions of the "we rated Spence higher and were more bothered with keeping him" story beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick
Very interesting stuff even if I would have liked to have seen the discussion extended to include some of the players in the current youth team.
I think there's a bit of revisionism going on as I've seen it mentioned in another article that we "let Spence go" because we had Colwill coming through, whereas I'm sure I also remember reading that we offered Spence a contract and he turned it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
on the subject of Matondo, after a slow ish start in Belgium, he's now scored 5 goals in his last 4 games.
Cercle Brugge have an option to make it permanent as well.
Thats what I was told by someone who I’d say was in a position to know about such things - it was also said that Harry Pinchard had turned us down rather than we released him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
That's correct-Sion Spence was offered a 1 year deal, along with Sam Bowen. This was when Neil Harris was in charge, and he basically said to Sion, I wont be using any youth players in the first team. Sion decided to try his luck elsewhere, and Sam Bowen stayed. When Bellamy was still there, towards the end of Warnock's reign, he was constantly pushing for both to be given the opportunity in the first team, he felt they were ready. Warnock wasn't interested and batted him away with, "put them in the U23's". I don't think Bellamy was a fan of U23 football at the time, so kept them with him in the U18's. I suppose its a sliding doors moment, and Sion might have been wise to stick around, but he was desperate for first team football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Reading those articles , if he can manage his mental health issues , I would love to see him working at our club.
Have people said that? That's definitely not true, we offered Spence a deal that he turned down because there was no path to the first team, Bowen almost left this summer as well I think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
The Matondo/Spence thing though was mentioned at the time, has been repeated a number of times and now Bellamy's said it. I imagine there's at least a little truth in it
For all McCarthy did wrong, he massively improved the pathway into the first team for youngsters, although that did start under Harris as well, as I'm sure Mark Harris and Joel Bagan were already getting game time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Foxton
Warnock was never likely to be the guy to bring through a youngster unless he was absolutely sure he could rely on them. Skipping u23 football and trying to go straight from u18s to the first team was never going to happen, possibly a bit of naivety from Bellamy, or perhaps he wanted to keep them in the u18s so he got more of the credit for their eventual emergence, rather than letting the u23s coaches get the credit.
When Spence left, it was reported by Wales Online that he had been released by the City, which made it sound like he wasn't needed or wanted by the club, when it was in fact his decision to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
Spence had played a lot of U23 football by then. Bellamy came in to oversee the pathway from academy to first team. He was in charge of the U23's, but from what i can gather wasn't a fan. I think he saw it as a backwater for youngsters, journeymen and older players coming back from injury. If you remember, Andy Legg came in solely as U23 manager/coach, and Bellamy reverted to academy coach, primarily with the U18's. I suppose by then he had seen enough of the players to know they were ready for first team football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I've been impressed with a lot of what I've read about and seen from Bellamy on here recently, but I can't see the logic in that. whenever I've seen the u23s it has been a much higher standard than the u18s, so it is always going to be riskier for a manager to promote someone straight from the 18s to the first team tha ln from the u23s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Foxton
also if he was in charge of the pathway, just being "not a fan" of the u23s so not putting players in there seems like it isn't addressing the issues he saw with the U23s.
it seems Spence is doing fairly well at Bristol Rovers. he didn't get many minutes to begin with, but has started to get a few more now, and has an impressive goals per 90 and assists per 90 record (although very few minutes so too early to read much into it yet probably)
I cant disagree with you, but I don't think he had anything against The City's U23's, but the U23 level in general. From what I have heard he didn't feel it was aiding their development. I believe the standard of the U23's now is much higher than it was 3-4 years ago, and it seems much more of a team than it was then-the line ups seemed to change dramatically game to game. As i said, Spence had played a number of U23 games, and I believe it was just a case of get him, and others in as Bellamy thought they were ready..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
What is it naive? In a lot of cases you're possibly bang on the money but the odd one will be good enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Where I was coming from was possibly a bit naive to think he could persuade Warnock to take a player from the u18s straight into the first team.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
I'm not sure what it would have taken though, probably a very successful loan move at a decent level, definitely not Weston Super Mare
Sion was named as a sub at the end of the season but there was a cock up with insurance and he had to drop out.
He was sixteen then and playing regularly for the Under 23s, but his career then drifted for a couple of years and he got further away from the first team at eighteen than he was at sixteen, despite scoring thirty plus goals in a season for the under 18s in between times.Quote:
Originally Posted by SOXY BOY
Right? I've never been impressed by passion in a manager, but when it comes to the kids, I think it's great. I love how he both praises and criticizes every one of them. He seems like he's really connected to these boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
He divides opinion on here (my perception being that some believe him too tough on young players) but I’m firmly in the camp of “I’d have him running our club tomorrow”. Based on my knowledge of him there’s actually nothing remotely significant that I could think of that could sway me the other way
as I said earlier, the coach I know at rovers speaks highly of him :xmasthumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Right I'm with you now and agree, was never an option with Warnock. I read the post differently :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I'd have him in a heartbeat too. Also can't explain why.Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightOuttaCanton
The latest (fourth) VFTN interview with Bellamy, discussing a few that got away and the current state of the club and squad.
Well worth a read.
https://www.viewfromtheninian.com/20...y-the-present/
I hope he’ll be back soon. I just love his attitude and vision.
I'm of the opinion that Warnock caused more harm than good for us and what Bellamy's saying confirms it for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
The way Bellamy speaks I think a director of football type position could well be the right fit for him. I'm not sure if being a manager is the right fit
Agreed about Warnock and the Director of Football. His attitude towards the summer we face is just what you need and to have somewhere at the club whop actually knew what they were doing in terms of recruitment and forging a proper identity for Cardiff City would be great.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
I see Bellamy is another one with no time for Under 23s football.
100% with you on this. TOBW's comment re. identity and recruitment too.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123