Have we got a chance in hell of signing him?
I think he's class not sure that he's premier league level but would be a fantastic acquisition for us.
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Have we got a chance in hell of signing him?
I think he's class not sure that he's premier league level but would be a fantastic acquisition for us.
The best we can hope for is another season-long loan. He's what we've been missing for many a year.
It's often banded around on this message board that "so and so would walk into any top six Championship side" - I believe Tommy Doyle truly would.
Am I the only one not signed up to the Tommy Doyle fan club ? A couple of good moments last week but he seems anonymous for most of the games I've seen him play.
Put me in midfield with Pack Bacuna and Vaulks and I'd look impressive
Well at least interested 😁
I think Doyle is a decent signing and I hope we get him on a season long loan in August
That's the rub, Eric. You're bang on in my opinion. We haven't had a midfield player with the ability to look up, play a pass and follow it since, since......? Doyle is assertive on the ball, everything is about getting the ball forward, and at pace, you can see that he has been coached at a club who play that way. He's attempting to play the game in the correct way, to many of our fans, he looks like some kind of footballing revolutionary, he isn't, not yet, maybe never. It just shows us how starved of a decent assertive midfielder we as fans have been for so many years. I do like him though.
That was a classy goal he scored at Huddersfield and there are little moments of high skill from him in every game he plays, but I agree that he doesn’t dominate games (that said, apart from the occasional Joe Ralls performance, what City midfielder has done that in recent years?), he shows his inexperience at times and I expected better from him from dead ball deliveries - I’d still love to have him here on loan next season though.
Does anyone care to comment on my assertion that he'd walk into any of the top six Championship sides?
(do remember, Harry Wilson was also accused of being anonymous in games for us).
Good answer :hehe: My point is that Kieffer Moore, and Tommy Doyle would have to think as quickly as the better players around them, in terms of movement, positional sense, anticipation etc. I'm not saying that they couldn't do it, but it's not a given that they could.
Plenty of cardiff fans that have not seen this type of player for us have seen eed them for plenty of other teams though.. be it in our league or through the many games on TV these days..
Yes he stands out because of what we've been missing in the team, but I also think he's decent at what he's been brought in to do as well
I think what has certainly helped him (and probably Wintle) is coming in fresh and not have the fear/ baggage/ terrible coaching that the rest our our squad had. Confidence and a bit of arrogance are a big asset too IMO.
Just had a look at his stats on whoscored. Yes, they don't always tell the whole story but they suggest he's a player who gives it a go but has a long way to go in terms of accuracy.
He has a below average pass success rate, not very good cross and set piece success rate, has more unsuccessful touches than most of our midfield and has a high percentage of shots off target. Yet he still has a goal and an assist, is not easily dispossessed and does well with key passes (whatever they are).
I think much of that is due to him being a player who looks to make things happen. He'll try a shot or pass that others wouldn't. Without doubt he has added a dimension to our midfield that wasn't there before and he's learning the game.
There was a site that someone linked to on here called EFL analysis that had some interesting breakdowns of recent matches, but sadly it seems to have stopped being updated in late November.
It showed amongst other things, the xT or expected threat for each player for each game, and also broke it down to show xT generated and xT lost by each player broken down to dribbles and passes.
xT is a measure of how much an on field action improves your team's chances of scoring - by looking at your chances of scoring before and after the action.
So if you dribble past a defender - increase in xT.
If you thread a pass to a player in a good position, increase in xT
If you try to dribble and lose the ball - decrease in xT
If you delay your pass too long and the defence can reset - decrease in xT etc etc
(here's a nice little blog post about it)
https://karun.in/blog/expected-threat.html
I suspect that Doyle would have high positive AND high negative xT (they often go hand in hand) and you need to have a couple of players like that in your side, or you just become too predictable.
Just putting it out there like.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No player with 700+ minutes averages more big chances per 90 than Cardiff City's Tommy Doyle (0.69) in the Championship this season.<br><br>☑️10 games<br>☑️13 key passes<br>☑️6 big chances created<br>☑️1 assist<br><br>20-year-old Man City loanee is a superb midfielder. <a href="https://t.co/VGpeYcizIh">pic.twitter.com/VGpeYcizIh</a></p>— Football Talent Scout - Jacek Kulig (@FTalentScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/FTalentScout/status/1499010065868673025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
He’s been great, not sure why some people are trying to knock him. We had limited time to get a certain type of player in and he’s done what’s been asked of him and probably more. Wasn’t long ago some posters were questioning if he was better than what we had because he didn’t plan in Belgium.