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It looks like Boris about to say we can't buy any Russian oil or gas, everything is going to get even more expensive, we'll do something towards it, and it's full push to the green revolution so we don't have to suffer like this again.
Are they connected, will people go for it, and what are the alternatives?
Is the North Sea and or fracking a short term solution?
Not pleased to see that my prediction of a few months ago has come to pass, but we're going to have to re-start oil and gas exploration pronto, in a bid to be as self-sufficient as we can. It won't affect the global price (well, not much), but at least we won't be relying on anyone else to supply it. Fracking is out at the moment, but drilling? Fill your boots.
it was always going that way, this might just speed it up
same as us going cashless, covid has appeared to have ramped that us, still have places that dont accept cash
I pity the fool who have just purchased a 2018 Dirty Diesel Qashqai :angry::shrug:
Get building that barrage between cardiff bay and Bristol….free power for us all, nice quick rd between both cities, no more Newport, few birds might have to find a new home to nest in a few miles upstream though…..
Saw earlier South Korea have thousands of floating solar panels.
Why would you get rid of the old solution when the new one wasn't already in place? Everybody will end up paying the price with a big drop in their standard of living.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Unfortunately there won't be any drilling due to climate change, and the same thing is happening in the US too.Quote:
Originally Posted by tforturton
I think the opposite, we will sustain ourselves with dirty fuel for a long time to come and on our door step.
It was okay to say that the uk will go green because it was placed like Russia that were supplying us with this type of fuel.
Now we aren't sourcing it from there we have to get it here.
Are we saying our standard of living is more important than supporting the poor people of the Ukraine ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
We are talking about people with white faces here remember ....
How long is it going to take to get any supply from more North Sea drilling or fracking though?
I don't understand how we ended up in this situation, nuclear power gives us the energy we need and is climate friendly. We should have been building them over the past 30 years. Typical of neoliberalists though to never think long term.
I don't think it would take that long, a lot of politicians think fracking is the answer, but there are even more against it, I think we need a combination of all three, Green measures, fracking and North Sea oil increases, some big decisions to be made in the coming weeks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland
What I can't understand is how the price of oil got so high before the war, surely it's in their interests to keep the price down and country's dependant upon it, now they are pushing governments away faster to implement more and more green measures more quickly?
Unless Putin was trying to push the price up, could he have that much influence, so he could invade and leave the world more scared to implement sanctions?
True its been talked about for years and no action has been taken?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doucas
Problem is that no one wants to live near a fracking site as it can infect and pollute the groundwaterQuote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Also, if I remember rightly, fracking sites tend to be quite short term, and stop being effective and efficient after just a few years.
I'm sure the government has a plan to purchase oil from elsewhere as will the USA money and influence always pulls through.
It's political back in 2018 Labour , SNP , Greens , Liberals were either split or against nuclear power favouring the German way forward, Tories didn't want to upset anyone , how things change .Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
Does seem to me that someone in the UK fuel supply is making the most of this. Here in Poland fuel costs have increased by about 10% but diesel is still only roughly £1 a litre.
I'm on a Facebook group based in the US, they are moaning its risen to $3.99 ( it was about $3 before Putin started ) now, thats a GALLON though :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
20 years ago when there were fuel shortages, refinery blockades etc because the pump price was about to hit £1 a litre, people started driving more efficiently. Those who had fuel were bimbling along motorways at 50-55mph to increase efficiency.
People just don't seem to have the same mindset at the moment.
US gallons are smaller. And gas taxes are tiny in comparison with the UK. They have also been fixed at something like 30-odd cents since the '80s I think. Those facts make a big difference to the pump prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
I must have missed the Labour, SNP, Green, Liberal administration of 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
It is almost 50 years since the infamous Sheik Yamani (of “shake your money” fame) oil embargo and when OPEC more or less held the west to ransom over oil supplies. We should have learned from that experience and kick started the green revolution back then.
Definitely they've had us over a barrel (of oil) ever since!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
I though they hit this price and higher in 2008, 2011, 2012 & 2013 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
It's funny how all these companies are posting massive profits, record breaking in some cases.
Exactly, although I believe the OPEC countries are no longer the major players they were. Having said that, if we now have to go cap in hand to them because of supply problems elsewhere, then.......who knows!Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I remember the advent of petrol rationing in 1973, in fact I still have my book of ration coupons which I kept as a souvenir of those days. They were never used in the end because the petrol stations themselves imposed limits on how much petrol you could buy. Imagine that today and the panic that would cause!
Jesus you only have to say there are five cars at ASDA petrol station these days and the country grinds to a halt, you're right it would be chaos!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
4.456 litres to a gallon multiplied by £1.67 = £7.44 here for a gallon.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
1 US gallon = 3.78 litres.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
So at $3.99 a gallon = $1.05 per litre.
$1 = £0.76, so price per litre in USA = 80p, approx half the UK price.
Question for the learned, Price of gas has more than doubled, but why has the price of electricity done the same? We don’t use gas to make electricity.
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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Thanks. Had no idea of the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
I know man, that's trash. Sucks so hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
not sure if you are being sarcastic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Rather than prices rises why don't they reduce profits, isn't that a novel idea.
The Green Revolution plan predates current events by quite a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
No I’m not being sarcastic, it seems to me a valid point, is our electric powered by gas? I cannot understand why the price of electricity should rise alongside the price of gas. So why?Quote:
Originally Posted by OurManFlint II
Agree with you on the profit side, but aren’t these companies now foreign owned? There should only be one of each and both Nationalised and British owned. Maggie has a lot to answer for.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_KingdomQuote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Yes, we do.
Which companies? Energy suppliers in the UK haven't been making any profits recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by OurManFlint II
Well I never knew that. Anyway you should be sanctioned coming on this board. Is this more of Russian propaganda? :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
More specifically Gas companies i was talking about with record profits but having read newspapers these last years it was very easy to find this information as it widely reported "Cumulatively between 2016 and 2020, five of the UK's largest energy providers generated a total of £7.7 billion in operating profit." Also wonder how much is tax payer subsidised or off set off-shore so no tax is being paid on those profits. :sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
In other relevant news: A human right lawyer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Donziger )was sent to prison last month for daring to challenge Chevron.
And people are critical of Russians who follow state propaganda