On her way back from Iran apparently with another detainee Anoosheh Ashoori.
If it was just down to the repayment of a £300m+ debt then why didn't the UK pay it earlier?
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On her way back from Iran apparently with another detainee Anoosheh Ashoori.
If it was just down to the repayment of a £300m+ debt then why didn't the UK pay it earlier?
Do they have oil that we need :sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
PS so pleased she’s been released.
great news for her and her family
you do wonder what has been negotiated behind the scenes. Iran has a lot of oil stored up and ready to go apparently.
Did I hear on the radio this morning that the unpaid bill to Iran dates back to the seventies?
Great that her ordeal is finally over, but it should never have taken this long to get her released.
There's a very good BBC podcast 'Nazanin' which gives the background to all of this. And, yes, it goes back decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Yes the debt goes back a long carried through many goverments decesion not to be held to ransom .
All anger should be pointed at the evil Irainin regime which has no respect for woman, life or alterancteve beliefs
possibly some anger reserved for the idiot foreign secretary who didn't help matters too, whatever happened to him?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Liz Truss said earlier "We have been clear this is a legitimate debt that we do owe Iran and we have been seeking ways to pay it." :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
Thanks :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Swiss Peter
I would imagine with the longstanding sanctions in place against Iran, it isn't a simple matter to just hand over 100's of millions of pounds to them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
Well a well connected politcal commenator left leaning one , has suggessted this solution was done and ready within the Raab tennership for some reason the Irainians delayed ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Truss didnt come up with this as its not some form of brillant iease to just ca ve in and pay , it was discccsued and debated for years , im guessing something somewhere maybe added and we will never know .
If thats the case , again poor Iraninans as the poor lady still had to suffer .
More between the lines maybe were going to buy more oil from them , oh that will get folks off on oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Baloo
Aye.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
I wasn't talking about Raab or TrussQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
The podcast mentioned above is a good summary of the 40 odd years of debt non-payment by the UK government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Various periods of sanctions have been used as a reason for non-payment, but the USA paid off a debt to Iran to get some of its citizens released years ago - and last year the UK pulled out of an agreement with Iran at the request of the USA who wanted to co-ordinate hostage releases - partly tied to the renewed nuclear deal negotiations (post Trump). That fell apart and, as I understand it, the UK government decided not to tailgate the USA but go ahead with unilateral negotiations. It seems that came down mainly to paying the debt. It could have happened years ago. Zaghari-Ratcliffe didn't have to be a pawn in a political game.
Imagine being the same person that wrote this!Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I think Donny should send Giuliani out yo Iran and bring back the 1.3 billion pallets of dollars that (I want peace at any cost Obama) gave to that feckless lot,wonder how much of that money has been used to kill or plot against westerners ?
Hunt ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
See im missed the s ?:hehe:
Yep spot on whoever stated that is a very astute , it's all bad business whichever way you paint it , its money/deals for death/ weapons , imprisonment of innocents , and persecution of minority groups, just to feed the western persons greed and need for cheap goods and lifestyles .Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
All of us are guilty .
It does take a special kind of astuteness to blame the lady for going there in the first place, blame Obama for unfreezing Iranian money because it will be used to kill westerners, laud Donald Trump for cancelling the Iranian nuclear deal which effectively froze the ability to repay the Iranian debt, then suggest some folks will go off on one if this allows us to buy Iranian oil (which presumably will be used to kill westerners).Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Moral bankruptcy and the inability to hold a coherent thought seems to be some of the core competencies of the "Astute".
What I do at least agree is that the Iranian Regime is overwhelmingly to blame for her plight, though Johnson's loose tongue undoubtedly made things worse for her by giving that regime cover for their actions.
Big question why now there's a 3rd person still there??
Nuclear deal done ??
USA not happy as they may have wanted their hostages out as well .
After Russia do we know see Iran / Saudi as a lesser evil ?
According to Jeremy Hunt on the Andrew Marr show on LBC, we had to get the Americans to agree,because if a British Bank had transferred money to Iran without American consent that bank would have been barred from doing business witn America.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
However later during the interview it apppears tha LBC had been told the money hadn't been paid in cash. Jeremy Hunt mentioned medical supplies which as it has been agreed that the moeny is only to be used for humanitarian purposes maks sense.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60775180
Wonderful family reunion video
Nazanin was no the only one that was effected knowing Boris
https://www.channel4.com/news/studen...cally-tortured
https://twitter.com/marcowenjones/st...al2iBegIQ&s=19
interesting analysis of people criticising Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe for being "ungrateful" for suggesting that maybe it took too long to bring her home, and people posting Messages in support of Brexit
+ they tweet about "anti woke" "anti PC" etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Locked up for 6 years and comes back and says she should have been helped 6 years ago and they're trending sendherback because she's "ungrateful"
Imagine being one of these arseholes, it must be absolutely miserable, constantly outraged
I think she's a very attractive woman
So many ex army types seem to be complete daft racistsQuote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
There is no need for abuse but I dont think she came across well tbh. In such s circumstance you would expect everyone to come away entirely sympathetically. That wasn't the case here.
I can well believe she feels that other foreign secretaries could have got her out sooner (no doubt there are reasons good or otherwise) but it strikes me that the current one and her staff have achieved it and that deserves credit.
As an aside, note how divisive Twitter subtly works; criticism of her is framed as criticism of someone who 'is a person of colour' etc. I.e a not very subtle dog whistle than anyone criticising her is a racist.
The same rules never apply to Priti Patel et Al of course. That's all legitimate
When someone tweets .....send her back ..I dont think its a shot in the dark to think they are racistQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
When something like this happens the knuckle draggers soon come out
The debt with Iran should have been settled long and that would surely have paved the way for her to be released sooner. Of course Johnson didn't help when he effectively, through his remarks, gave Iran the opportunity to extend the sentences of those detained. She didn't come out of it that well in her remarks yesterday but who can blame her after spending 6 years in custody. However, I think NZR's remarks were probably made with caution as her parents are in Iran and, if she criticised the Iran regime too harshly, her parents might be punished. Far easier therefore for her to criticise the UK government which of course was fully justified and be less critical of the regime in Iran.
There is zero justification for anyone saying that. The point is, people are allowed to criticise her press conference. I heard only select journalists were invited as an aside..)Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Like I said, I don't think she came across well and I do think she should have thanked the current home secretary. Criticising the others for not getting you out sounds fair enough, but by definition that means you welcome the one who did (and the thousands of staff hours that went into it)
Sounds like a good analysis..Quote:
Originally Posted by Vindec
To some on twitter, Iran somehow comes out looking like an honourable victim
She'll be gutted to read that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I feel her ethnicity has a great deal to do with the send her back reaction. She was superb in the press conference in the circumstances.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Just what I was going to say, she may decide to hold another press conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
I accept that it's well known that she only posts on Annnis Abraham's board but that shouldn't stop us debating the matterQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
Spot on Sludge.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
https://twitter.com/mralistairgreen/...4coZA7m2TsjvkA
If anybody's not familiar with Alistair Green I heartily recommend you make yourselves familiar, his characterisation of certain types of people is absolutely wonderful :hehe:
I listened to the tank debt podcast on radio 4. It was a complex tale with the original debt, sanctions, banking issues, Iranians arrested in the uk, inertia, ties to the US, politics etc. I understand social media has been unkind in places to Nazanin’s press conference. For me, having heard the podcast background, I thought she was very impressive yesterday and most people’s comments are seemingly based on lack of knowledge. For example, it was a debt, not a ransom.
In before TOBW:
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...age-speaks-out
Health warning: read with care. Known to induce major spluttering in JamesWales.