Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

In nine of the past 24 months there have been more than 500 staff officially not working, either on paid special leave or on strike during the pandemic


https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/...021034503?s=21

Ssssssh don't criticise them their supporters are watching and waiting to defend them and thier endless backlogs of driving applications, especially crippling the bus and Lorry driving industry.

As soon as thier back I'm sure fresh industrial action will follow.

I'd not be shocked if the government moves work out of the unit.

No idea why this is still going on as almost everybody else is either working from home or back in offices by now.

Is it separated out to show the different periods, I have worked through the pandemic but I know plenty of people (mostly private as majority of public sector were either seen as 'key workers' or had the capability to do their job from home) who were paid by the taxpayer to sit on their arse for months (and quite often to take up other jobs getting 2 salaries) so it wasn't uncommon then.

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Ssssssh don't criticise them their supporters are watching and waiting to defend them and thier endless backlogs of driving applications, especially crippling the bus and Lorry driving industry.

As soon as thier back I'm sure fresh industrial action will follow.

I'd not be shocked if the government moves work out of the unit.

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If you cared about crippling the lorry industry you wouldn't have devoted your life over the last 5 years to becoming ccmb's chief Brexit cheerleader.

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If you cared about crippling the lorry industry you wouldn't have devoted your life over the last 5 years to becoming ccmb's chief Brexit cheerleader.

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They were taking industrial action way before then , and I voted to remain however accepted the democratic decisions just like the strike actions we see at places like DVLA , London Transport etc etc .

The issue HGV shortages are everywhere In world and existing way before Brexit both here and in Europe perhaps it is an opportune to take Industrial Action .

Ono top of this we has a pandemic and work form home which created 29,545 driving licence backlog , knowing Brexit would impact plus Covid why would you add Industrial Action :facepalm:

Hope its not politically motivated as working folk are trying to improve their lives by becoming a Driver .

There are things happening that are not Brexit related

How the HGV driver shortage is affected other countries
Poland

The scale of the shortage in Poland is believed to be 124,000, according to data from 2020 compiled by Transport Intelligence.

Germany

Germany was missing between 45,000 and 60,000 HGV drivers last year. It has been predicted that could rise to 185,000 by 2027.

France

France has been facing a shortage of around 43,000 drivers since 2019, Transport Intelligence says.

Italy

There is an estimated shortfall of around 15,000 drivers in Italy, since 2019.

Spain

In Spain the estimate is 15,340, figures from 2020 show.

Scandinavia

Sweden is facing a 5,000 shortfall, Norway 3,000 and Denmark 2,500 – although data has not been reported since 2017 in those countries.

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How the HGV driver shortage is affected other countries
Poland

The scale of the shortage in Poland is believed to be 124,000, according to data from 2020 compiled by Transport Intelligence.

Germany

Germany was missing between 45,000 and 60,000 HGV drivers last year. It has been predicted that could rise to 185,000 by 2027.

France

France has been facing a shortage of around 43,000 drivers since 2019, Transport Intelligence says.

Italy

There is an estimated shortfall of around 15,000 drivers in Italy, since 2019.

Spain

In Spain the estimate is 15,340, figures from 2020 show.

Scandinavia

Sweden is facing a 5,000 shortfall, Norway 3,000 and Denmark 2,500 – although data has not been reported since 2017 in those countries.

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Facts don't matter. Brexit is bad. Twitter told me so.

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They were taking industrial action way before then , and I voted to remain however accepted the democratic decisions just like the strike actions we see at places like DVLA , London Transport etc etc .

The issue HGV shortages are everywhere In world and existing way before Brexit both here and in Europe perhaps it is an opportune to take Industrial Action .

Ono top of this we has a pandemic and work form home which created 29,545 driving licence backlog , knowing Brexit would impact plus Covid why would you add Industrial Action :facepalm:

Hope its not politically motivated as working folk are trying to improve their lives by becoming a Driver .

There are things happening that are not Brexit related

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Maybe people aren't happy with decades of stagnant pay and price increases? You were very tongue in cheek in the thread about house prices but honestly if you can't see what we are sleepwalking towards then you must have a very feathered nest yourself or your head in the sand.
For the average person life is significantly tougher than it was even a few months ago. You can't explain away the dog eat dog capitalist society for the rich and at the same deride the poorer people for using everything they have in their armoury to create a better life for themselves.

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Facts don't matter. Brexit is bad. Twitter told me so.

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Good tactic, pretend everybody who disagrees with you isn't well informed.

Facts are great but only with context. The context missing being that drivers and other economic migrants weren't only coming to the UK once there was a surplus domestically in their specialism, in the main they were coming because they could earn more and create what they believed to be a better life. So whilst the driver shortage is a fact, it's pretty irrelevant in this case. What is relevant is that Brexit red tape made EU migrants feel less secure and the emboldening of xenophobic attitudes, made EU migrants feel less welcome.

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Good tactic, pretend everybody who disagrees with you isn't well informed.

Facts are great but only with context. The context missing being that drivers and other economic migrants weren't only coming to the UK once there was a surplus domestically in their specialism, in the main they were coming because they could earn more and create what they believed to be a better life. So whilst the driver shortage is a fact, it's pretty irrelevant in this case. What is relevant is that Brexit red tape made EU migrants feel less secure and the emboldening of xenophobic attitudes, made EU migrants feel less welcome.

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I dont think everyone who disagrees with me isn't well informed at all.

However, you are mistaking your opinion with facts. And they are very different things.

The number of EU migrants increased every year since the brexit vote, albeit at a slower pace.

Equally, as clearly stated here: "in June 2021, payrolled employments of non-EU nationals were 186,000 above the pre-pandemic level at 2.23 million"

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...4-to-june-2021

Also, here: The fall in UK HGV drivers nearly four times greater than the fall in EU drivers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58967177

The reality is, that like most scenarios, a small but vocal group of people who refuse to accept reality are twisting everything to try and suit their agenda.

Not every crisis that occured when we were in the EU was because we were in the EU. Not every crisis that occurs now we have left is because we have left.

All you are doing is spreading total myths and aside from being disingenuous, that does nothing to solve a problem that you profess to care about.

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Maybe people aren't happy with decades of stagnant pay and price increases? You were very tongue in cheek in the thread about house prices but honestly if you can't see what we are sleepwalking towards then you must have a very feathered nest yourself or your head in the sand.
For the average person life is significantly tougher than it was even a few months ago. You can't explain away the dog eat dog capitalist society for the rich and at the same deride the poorer people for using everything they have in their armoury to create a better life for themselves.

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Ironically unions like DVLA and London Trains are effecting those very lowly paid people on stagnant pay as they cant to work or a HGV licence you'd think after the awful effects of the pandemic on peoples l lives they just draw a breath be glad to be back at work getting services going clear the backlogs to make peoples lives better other than themselves who in the main are well paid compared to minimum wage folk , and then yes then go on strike

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I dont think everyone who disagrees with me isn't well informed at all.

However, you are mistaking your opinion with facts. And they are very different things.

The number of EU migrants increased every year since the brexit vote, albeit at a slower pace.

Equally, as clearly stated here: "in June 2021, payrolled employments of non-EU nationals were 186,000 above the pre-pandemic level at 2.23 million"

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...4-to-june-2021

Also, here: The fall in UK HGV drivers nearly four times greater than the fall in EU drivers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58967177

The reality is, that like most scenarios, a small but vocal group of people who refuse to accept reality are twisting everything to try and suit their agenda.

Not every crisis that occured when we were in the EU was because we were in the EU. Not every crisis that occurs now we have left is because we have left.

All you are doing is spreading total myths and aside from being disingenuous, that does nothing to solve a problem that you profess to care about.

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Nothing is based on anything but hatred other than scum evil Tories , strangely labour voters wanted it as well

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Facts don't matter. Brexit is bad. Twitter told me so.

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Well, I’m seeing barely anything saying Brexit is good, even from Johnson’s hand picked Cabinet of Leavers, maybe Twitter has a point?

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Well, I’m seeing barely anything saying Brexit is good, even from Johnson’s hand picked Cabinet of Leavers, maybe Twitter has a point?

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At this stage, it's largely irrelevant. The point is that the number of EU citizens has increased year on year since the vote and is greater im 2021 than it was pre-pandemic.

So this idea of Brexit causing a mass exodus and thus causing a shortage of lorry drivers is demonstrably incorrect.

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I dont think everyone who disagrees with me isn't well informed at all.

However, you are mistaking your opinion with facts. And they are very different things.

The number of EU migrants increased every year since the brexit vote, albeit at a slower pace.

Equally, as clearly stated here: "in June 2021, payrolled employments of non-EU nationals were 186,000 above the pre-pandemic level at 2.23 million"

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...4-to-june-2021

Also, here: The fall in UK HGV drivers nearly four times greater than the fall in EU drivers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58967177

The reality is, that like most scenarios, a small but vocal group of people who refuse to accept reality are twisting everything to try and suit their agenda.

Not every crisis that occured when we were in the EU was because we were in the EU. Not every crisis that occurs now we have left is because we have left.

All you are doing is spreading total myths and aside from being disingenuous, that does nothing to solve a problem that you profess to care about.

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How needlessly sanctimonious, par for the course though.

All you have proved so far is that the economy was relying on a year on year increase in migrant labour, which we now aren't getting and 'shock horror' now there is a problem.

As for a decline in UK drivers. I never said it was the single source of the problem, I said LOM might want to reassess his position on hard Brexit if he cares about this stuff.

I'd imagine lorry drivers left their jobs because they felt their pay wasn't worth their time.

On reflection, is it better if a disgruntled workforce strikes to ensure their conditions and pay are fair or just quit to leave a gaping hole, answers on a postcard...

You'd have to say we had the dreadful leave /remain shock stories , banners , buses, media frenzy can we honestly say has any of that really come true , I don't mean the complications for goods moving just the predicated meltdown ,maybe its on the way ?

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At this stage, it's largely irrelevant. The point is that the number of EU citizens has increased year on year since the vote and is greater im 2021 than it was pre-pandemic.

So this idea of Brexit causing a mass exodus and thus causing a shortage of lorry drivers is demonstrably incorrect.

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Show me where I said Brexit caused a mass exodus?

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Nothing is based on anything but hatred other than scum evil Tories , strangely labour voters wanted it as well

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Nonsense, you just have a lifelong victim complex

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Ironically unions like DVLA and London Trains are effecting those very lowly paid people on stagnant pay as they cant to work or a HGV licence you'd think after the awful effects of the pandemic on peoples l lives they just draw a breath be glad to be back at work getting services going clear the backlogs to make peoples lives better other than themselves who in the main are well paid compared to minimum wage folk , and then yes then go on strike

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See, first it's 'we are all in this pandemic together', then it's 'careful, we are in a recession', then it's going to be 'if you don't want your job, someone else will have it'. There will always be a reason for you to tell workers to doth their cap and accept their lot.

Out of interest, what do you currently do for a living?

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Nonsense, you just have a lifelong victim complex

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You said it had crippled the lorry industry and implied that someone cannot be concerned about said industry if they voted a certain way on membership of the EU - Perhaps you meant something else and have some astounding facts to back to up.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

You'd have to say we had the dreadful leave /remain shock stories , banners , buses, media frenzy can we honestly say has any of that really come true , I don't mean the complications for goods moving just the predicated meltdown ,maybe its on the way ?

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I'm pretty sure a key part of 'project fear' was that trade would be affected. The leave campaign insisted that we would be able to trade as freely as we did as a member state. You are rewriting history.

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You said it had crippled the lorry industry and implied that someone cannot be concerned about said industry if they voted a certain way on membership of the EU - Perhaps you meant something else and have some astounding facts to back to up.

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I didn't say Brexit crippled the lorry industry. If you vote against flood defences and then the place floods, the rain caused it, didn't it? The defenses might not have stopped the flooding but it sure as shit would have been good to have found out.

I'm on annual leave, what excuse do you two have for being on here all day?

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I'm on annual leave, what excuse do you two have for being on here all day?

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I'm waiting for Sludge to pick me up

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I'm waiting for Sludge to pick me up

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You will need to be 40, look 55 with a short skirt, fake tits and messy lipstick

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How the HGV driver shortage is affected other countries
Poland

The scale of the shortage in Poland is believed to be 124,000, according to data from 2020 compiled by Transport Intelligence.

Germany

Germany was missing between 45,000 and 60,000 HGV drivers last year. It has been predicted that could rise to 185,000 by 2027.

France

France has been facing a shortage of around 43,000 drivers since 2019, Transport Intelligence says.

Italy

There is an estimated shortfall of around 15,000 drivers in Italy, since 2019.

Spain

In Spain the estimate is 15,340, figures from 2020 show.

Scandinavia

Sweden is facing a 5,000 shortfall, Norway 3,000 and Denmark 2,500 – although data has not been reported since 2017 in those countries.

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Another copy and paste job by LoM. https://inews.co.uk/news/hgv-driver-...the-uk-1231010

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Another copy and paste job by LoM. https://inews.co.uk/news/hgv-driver-...the-uk-1231010

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What’s wrong with copy and pasting information?

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What’s wrong with copy and pasting information?

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Note
If you have questions after consulting this guide about how to cite, please contact your advisor/professor or the writing and communication center.

Why citing is important
It's important to cite sources you used in your research for several reasons:

To show your reader you've done proper research by listing sources you used to get your information
To be a responsible scholar by giving credit to other researchers and acknowledging their ideas
To avoid plagiarism by quoting words and ideas used by other authors
To allow your reader to track down the sources you used by citing them accurately in your paper by way of footnotes, a bibliography or reference list
About citations
Citing a source means that you show, within the body of your text, that you took words, ideas, figures, images, etc. from another place.

Citations are a short way to uniquely identify a published work (e.g. book, article, chapter, web site). They are found in bibliographies and reference lists and are also collected in article and book databases.

Citations consist of standard elements, and contain all the information necessary to identify and track down publications, including:

author name(s)
titles of books, articles, and journals
date of publication
page numbers
volume and issue numbers (for articles)
Citations may look different, depending on what is being cited and which style was used to create them. Choose an appropriate style guide for your needs. Here is an example of an article citation using four different citation styles. Notice the common elements as mentioned above:

Author - R. Langer

Article Title - New Methods of Drug Delivery

Source Title - Science

Volume and issue - Vol 249, issue 4976

Publication Date - 1990

Page numbers - 1527-1533

American Chemical Society (ACS) style:

Langer, R. New Methods of Drug Delivery. Science 1990, 249, 1527-1533.

IEEE Style:

R. Langer, "New Methods of Drug Delivery," Science, vol. 249, pp. 1527-1533, SEP 28, 1990.

American Psychological Association (APA) style:

Langer, R. (1990). New methods of drug delivery. Science, 249(4976), 1527-1533.

Modern Language Association (MLA) style:

Langer, R. "New Methods of Drug Delivery." Science 249.4976 (1990): 1527-33.

What to cite
You must cite:

Facts, figures, ideas, or other information that is not common knowledge
Ideas, words, theories, or exact language that another person used in other publications
Publications that must be cited include: books, book chapters, articles, web pages, theses, etc.

Another person's exact words should be quoted and cited to show proper credit

When in doubt, be safe and cite your source!

Avoiding plagiarism
Plagiarism occurs when you borrow another's words (or ideas) and do not acknowledge that you have done so. In this culture, we consider our words and ideas intellectual property; like a car or any other possession, we believe our words belong to us and cannot be used without our permission.

Plagiarism is a very serious offense. If it is found that you have plagiarized -- deliberately or inadvertently -- you may face serious consequences. In some instances, plagiarism has meant that students have had to leave the institutions where they were studying.

The best way to avoid plagiarism is to cite your sources - both within the body of your paper and in a bibliography of sources you used at the end of your paper.

Some useful links about plagiarism:

MIT Academic Integrity
Overview on citing sources and avoiding plagiarism at MIT.
Avoiding Plagiarism
From the MIT Writing and Communication Center.
Plagiarism: What It is and How to Recognize and Avoid It
From Indiana University's Writing Tutorial Services.
Plagiarism- Overview
A resource from Purdue University.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Note
If you have questions after consulting this guide about how to cite, please contact your advisor/professor or the writing and communication center.

Why citing is important
It's important to cite sources you used in your research for several reasons:

To show your reader you've done proper research by listing sources you used to get your information
To be a responsible scholar by giving credit to other researchers and acknowledging their ideas
To avoid plagiarism by quoting words and ideas used by other authors
To allow your reader to track down the sources you used by citing them accurately in your paper by way of footnotes, a bibliography or reference list
About citations
Citing a source means that you show, within the body of your text, that you took words, ideas, figures, images, etc. from another place.

Citations are a short way to uniquely identify a published work (e.g. book, article, chapter, web site). They are found in bibliographies and reference lists and are also collected in article and book databases.

Citations consist of standard elements, and contain all the information necessary to identify and track down publications, including:

author name(s)
titles of books, articles, and journals
date of publication
page numbers
volume and issue numbers (for articles)
Citations may look different, depending on what is being cited and which style was used to create them. Choose an appropriate style guide for your needs. Here is an example of an article citation using four different citation styles. Notice the common elements as mentioned above:

Author - R. Langer

Article Title - New Methods of Drug Delivery

Source Title - Science

Volume and issue - Vol 249, issue 4976

Publication Date - 1990

Page numbers - 1527-1533

American Chemical Society (ACS) style:

Langer, R. New Methods of Drug Delivery. Science 1990, 249, 1527-1533.

IEEE Style:

R. Langer, "New Methods of Drug Delivery," Science, vol. 249, pp. 1527-1533, SEP 28, 1990.

American Psychological Association (APA) style:

Langer, R. (1990). New methods of drug delivery. Science, 249(4976), 1527-1533.

Modern Language Association (MLA) style:

Langer, R. "New Methods of Drug Delivery." Science 249.4976 (1990): 1527-33.

What to cite
You must cite:

Facts, figures, ideas, or other information that is not common knowledge
Ideas, words, theories, or exact language that another person used in other publications
Publications that must be cited include: books, book chapters, articles, web pages, theses, etc.

Another person's exact words should be quoted and cited to show proper credit

When in doubt, be safe and cite your source!

Avoiding plagiarism
Plagiarism occurs when you borrow another's words (or ideas) and do not acknowledge that you have done so. In this culture, we consider our words and ideas intellectual property; like a car or any other possession, we believe our words belong to us and cannot be used without our permission.

Plagiarism is a very serious offense. If it is found that you have plagiarized -- deliberately or inadvertently -- you may face serious consequences. In some instances, plagiarism has meant that students have had to leave the institutions where they were studying.

The best way to avoid plagiarism is to cite your sources - both within the body of your paper and in a bibliography of sources you used at the end of your paper.

Some useful links about plagiarism:

MIT Academic Integrity
Overview on citing sources and avoiding plagiarism at MIT.
Avoiding Plagiarism
From the MIT Writing and Communication Center.
Plagiarism: What It is and How to Recognize and Avoid It
From Indiana University's Writing Tutorial Services.
Plagiarism- Overview
A resource from Purdue University.

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https://libguides.mit.edu/citing

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

What’s wrong with copy and pasting information?

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My point is that it is good etiquette to clarify when content posted is not one's own.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

My point is that it is good etiquette to clarify when content posted is not one's own.

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I agree. It's also daft. It verifies the post, gives it more weight and allows others to copy and paste it should they so wish.

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I agree. It's also daft. It verifies the post, gives it more weight and allows others to copy and paste it should they so wish.

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It's also good to know who I'd be replying to - the writer or the poster.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

See, first it's 'we are all in this pandemic together', then it's 'careful, we are in a recession', then it's going to be 'if you don't want your job, someone else will have it'. There will always be a reason for you to tell workers to doth their cap and accept their lot.

Out of interest, what do you currently do for a living?

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Giglo

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My point is that it is good etiquette to clarify when content posted is not one's own.

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Your right, speaking for myself I just didn't think it was that critical


I see an article and think it's of interest so I share.

I am trying to do better though .

There goes the thrust of the topic, so does it matter?

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Giglo

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The gig economy eh?

At the low end?

Life can be shit!

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Your right, speaking for myself I just didn't think it was that critical


I see an article and think it's of interest so I share.

I am trying to do better though .

There goes the thrust of the topic, so does it matter?

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A number of posters have stated in this thread that it does matter and they have stated the reasons why.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Note
If you have questions after consulting this guide about how to cite, please contact your advisor/professor or the writing and communication center.

Why citing is important
It's important to cite sources you used in your research for several reasons:

To show your reader you've done proper research by listing sources you used to get your information
To be a responsible scholar by giving credit to other researchers and acknowledging their ideas
To avoid plagiarism by quoting words and ideas used by other authors
To allow your reader to track down the sources you used by citing them accurately in your paper by way of footnotes, a bibliography or reference list
About citations
Citing a source means that you show, within the body of your text, that you took words, ideas, figures, images, etc. from another place.

Citations are a short way to uniquely identify a published work (e.g. book, article, chapter, web site). They are found in bibliographies and reference lists and are also collected in article and book databases.

Citations consist of standard elements, and contain all the information necessary to identify and track down publications, including:

author name(s)
titles of books, articles, and journals
date of publication
page numbers
volume and issue numbers (for articles)
Citations may look different, depending on what is being cited and which style was used to create them. Choose an appropriate style guide for your needs. Here is an example of an article citation using four different citation styles. Notice the common elements as mentioned above:

Author - R. Langer

Article Title - New Methods of Drug Delivery

Source Title - Science

Volume and issue - Vol 249, issue 4976

Publication Date - 1990

Page numbers - 1527-1533

American Chemical Society (ACS) style:

Langer, R. New Methods of Drug Delivery. Science 1990, 249, 1527-1533.

IEEE Style:

R. Langer, "New Methods of Drug Delivery," Science, vol. 249, pp. 1527-1533, SEP 28, 1990.

American Psychological Association (APA) style:

Langer, R. (1990). New methods of drug delivery. Science, 249(4976), 1527-1533.

Modern Language Association (MLA) style:

Langer, R. "New Methods of Drug Delivery." Science 249.4976 (1990): 1527-33.

What to cite
You must cite:

Facts, figures, ideas, or other information that is not common knowledge
Ideas, words, theories, or exact language that another person used in other publications
Publications that must be cited include: books, book chapters, articles, web pages, theses, etc.

Another person's exact words should be quoted and cited to show proper credit

When in doubt, be safe and cite your source!

Avoiding plagiarism
Plagiarism occurs when you borrow another's words (or ideas) and do not acknowledge that you have done so. In this culture, we consider our words and ideas intellectual property; like a car or any other possession, we believe our words belong to us and cannot be used without our permission.

Plagiarism is a very serious offense. If it is found that you have plagiarized -- deliberately or inadvertently -- you may face serious consequences. In some instances, plagiarism has meant that students have had to leave the institutions where they were studying.

The best way to avoid plagiarism is to cite your sources - both within the body of your paper and in a bibliography of sources you used at the end of your paper.

Some useful links about plagiarism:

MIT Academic Integrity
Overview on citing sources and avoiding plagiarism at MIT.
Avoiding Plagiarism
From the MIT Writing and Communication Center.
Plagiarism: What It is and How to Recognize and Avoid It
From Indiana University's Writing Tutorial Services.
Plagiarism- Overview
A resource from Purdue University.

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In an exam that would be acceptable, however un unofficial football whereby people offer their opinions it may not be needed ?

If you think it should why on earth have you wasted 7,500 posts in your spare time :hehe:

Why don’t you tell your friends about the pesky posters of a football message board who don’t post links to a topic ( people like me just post for a bit of fun and have more important things to worry about )

Half the time I post off a cell phone which exacerbates the problem

Whoosh

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Another copy and paste job by LoM. https://inews.co.uk/news/hgv-driver-...the-uk-1231010

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Of course it is ??

I simply don't hide that fact , others simply compile responses in their own words dragged from the very same media outlets something I am honest about as I do struggle with composing eloquent responses in the correct grammar and details' .

Anyway back to the point and away from the goalpost move the detail I posted seem to show HGV shortage Europe not just the UK that has nothing to do with Brexit , do you have a eloquent view on why , I hope they weren't using cheap eastern European labour as well and now drivers want a fair wage and conditions ???????

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

In an exam that would be acceptable, however un unofficial football whereby people offer their opinions it may not be needed ?

If you think it should why on earth have you wasted 7,500 posts in your spare time :hehe:

Why don’t you tell your friends about the pesky posters of a football message board who don’t post links to a topic ( people like me just post for a bit of fun and have more important things to worry about )

Half the time I post off a cell phone which exacerbates the problem

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Well said :hehe: ( Pesky posters )who dare to offer impartial, different, or dare to challenge views of other posters .

Back to DVLA time they got back to work in my humble view, and helped others who are desperate to get a licence to earn some money instead of being held to ransom by those in work and earning , late night valley buses are still not back due to this appalling backlog .

Then take there Industrial Action . ( for the picky board one's see what I di for you with their )

It is about others not just a single entity of workers .

Whoosh all in my own poor grammar