Anyone using P and O Ferries this summer?

Disgraceful behaviour by that company.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60779001

Absolutely disgusting.

Prerecorded message as well, Jesus

I watched parliament talking about it earlier, a few of the MP's were saying that some would be " fired and hired " to keep ships running and that practise needs to stop

Appalling. I hope there is a massive backlash against this

Sniffs of a Murdoch style move from the 80's to break the unions grip , in this case its the RMT's turn, who are also busy on other fronts such as London Tube Strikes.

What's also disgusting is the government's failure to outlaw this practice back in November which makes what P&O did perfectly legal.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Sniffs of a Murdoch style move from the 80's to break the unions grip , in this case its the RMT's turn, who are also busy on other fronts such as London Tube Strikes.

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There you go again, another dig.

Bastards

Horrible way to treat your staff.

Their wiki page has been updated showing their number of employees as nil.

C unts
Another Brexit benefit

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

What's also disgusting is the government's failure to outlaw this practice back in November which makes what P&O did perfectly legal.

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Are you saying they did not outlaw fire and rehire which is what I think was being talked about in the Autumn?

If so it may not have helped now because they are not firing and rehiring.

They are firing and replacing.

Not that I am saying that P and O's actions are not disgraceful

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Are you saying they did not outlaw fire and rehire which is what I think was being talked about in the Autumn?

If so it may not have helped now because they are not firing and rehiring.

They are firing and replacing.

Not that I am saying that P and O's actions are not disgraceful

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I am. The employment solicitor mentions it in the BBC link.

Looks like P&O has just Gerald Ratnered the brand.

On a personal note They've managed to make me do something I never thought I would, and that's join the RMT.

Absolutely disgraceful move from p+o. Well done to the captains and crew involved for digging in and defending themselves. Shame on the decision makers who made these choices. I know it would never be done, as it's tantamount to declaring war. But I'd bloody love to see the government respond by nationalising London Gateway and telling dp to piss off off and not do business in the UK again

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C unts
Another Brexit benefit

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What brexit, it looks like we are moving towards global governance?

'The firm claimed almost £15m in government grants in 2020, which included furlough payments for its employees.

P&O is owned by DP World, the multi-national ports and logistics company based in Dubai. It paid a £270m dividend to shareholders in 2020.'

DP World sounds like a top-shelf magazine from the 80s.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Sniffs of a Murdoch style move from the 80's to break the unions grip , in this case its the RMT's turn, who are also busy on other fronts such as London Tube Strikes.

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From The Evening Standard

“These are the very same transport staff praised as heroes for carrying London through Covid for nearly two years, often at serious personal risk, who now have no option but to strike to defend their livelihoods.

“The politicians need to wake up to the fact that transport staff will not pay the price for this cynically engineered crisis.

“In addition to the strike action RMT is co-ordinating a campaign of resistance with colleagues from other unions impacted by this threat.”

Talks at arbitration service Acas that could have seen the strikes postponed broke down last night, because according to the RMT, TfL “confirmed all the union’s worst fears that nothing is off the table in terms of the threat to jobs, pensions, conditions and safety”.

We need this kind of action more than ever. What P&O has done is immoral. RMT is doing the right thing. I won't hold my breath but I hope there is a massive backlash to this but I expect the right-wing to fall in behind the rich, the powerful, and the bosses over the ordinary workers.

In fairness to Starmer, this is a good response and better than that wimp of a Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State at the Department for Transport.

https://twitter.com/keir_starmer/sta...54363091623947

And here are the rich and powerful making out that DP World (not owned by Paul Raymond) are made to look like they give a sh*t about anything other than their shareholders, oh and public image. Ironically, they royally f*cked that, not even a person born out of a very special vagina could save them from the P&O debacle.

https://twitter.com/DP_World/status/1491788206802567170

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From The Evening Standard

“These are the very same transport staff praised as heroes for carrying London through Covid for nearly two years, often at serious personal risk, who now have no option but to strike to defend their livelihoods.

“The politicians need to wake up to the fact that transport staff will not pay the price for this cynically engineered crisis.

“In addition to the strike action RMT is co-ordinating a campaign of resistance with colleagues from other unions impacted by this threat.”

Talks at arbitration service Acas that could have seen the strikes postponed broke down last night, because according to the RMT, TfL “confirmed all the union’s worst fears that nothing is off the table in terms of the threat to jobs, pensions, conditions and safety”.

We need this kind of action more than ever. What P&O has done is immoral. RMT is doing the right thing. I won't hold my breath but I hope there is a massive backlash to this but I expect the right-wing to fall in behind the rich, the powerful, and the bosses over the ordinary workers.

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I disagree I think folk will support the workers hopefully the government will seek to have the Covid job projection funds returned

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

I am. The employment solicitor mentions it in the BBC link.

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I have seen the bit in the report, but ths still wasn't a case of fire and rehire because thst means firing the worker and then rehiring the same workers under different terms and conditions.

These workers didn't even get that chance they were summarily replaced with cheaper workers.

When people are trying to defend the obscene wages and bonuses CEOs and other big wigs in private companies are paid, they say that you have to pay the going rate for such talent. What sort of "talent" is required to give the okay both to what P and O did and the way they went about doing it? There are kids who'll be going past my house soon on their way to the local primary school who know that, purely in PR terms, what P and O did was score a huge own goal yesterday. Even Putin didn't have the whole of Parliament against him when he sanctioned the invasion of Ukraine, but P and O have managed it - I still can't figure out whether whoever sanctioned that awful video shown yesterday was affected by arrogance or cowardice, probably it was both, but they were definitely incredibly stupid.

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When people are trying to defend the obscene wages and bonuses CEOs and other big wigs in private companies are paid, they say that you have to pay the going rate for such talent. What sort of "talent" is required to give the okay both to what P and O did and the way they went about doing it? There are kids who'll be going past my house soon on their way to the local primary school who know that, purely in PR terms, what P and O did was score a huge own goal yesterday. Even Putin didn't have the whole of Parliament against him when he sanctioned the invasion of Ukraine, but P and O have managed it - I still can't figure out whether whoever sanctioned that awful video shown yesterday was affected by arrogance or cowardice, probably it was both, but they were definitely incredibly stupid.

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Totally agree. In terms of their methods there is probably a covid element here. "We needed to fire them in a safe manner, which was via pre recorded video etc". Utter fkn arseholes.

I'm on a ferry this summer, but it's Brittany Ferries. East for me me to say but I would strongly urge people to look at them and Irish Ferries and Stena. I can't say Ive heard of worse corporate behaviour than P&O on this

In January 2019, P&O removed all of its vessels from the UK register. They now operate under the flags of Cyprus, Finland, Malta, the Netherlands, the Bahamas and Bermuda.

Would EU employment laws have prevented this?

We should just boycott them looking at average earning they don't earn a fortune

The average P&O Ferries salary ranges from approximately £14,947 per year for Operations Clerk to £89,450 per year for Service Crew. Average P&O Ferries hourly pay ranges from approximately £8.08 per hour for Stewardess to £11.96 per hour for Credit Controller.

However its seems they are better payers than most in that industry ??

I wouldn't be surprised if are-branding exercise takes place in due course.

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Would EU employment laws have prevented this?

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No. And what they have done is allegedly illegal anyway.

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Would EU employment laws have prevented this?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

No. And what they have done is allegedly illegal anyway.

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One observer said this morning that the payroll company is registered in Guernsey, so is not covered by UK or EU employment laws.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

When people are trying to defend the obscene wages and bonuses CEOs and other big wigs in private companies are paid, they say that you have to pay the going rate for such talent. What sort of "talent" is required to give the okay both to what P and O did and the way they went about doing it? There are kids who'll be going past my house soon on their way to the local primary school who know that, purely in PR terms, what P and O did was score a huge own goal yesterday. Even Putin didn't have the whole of Parliament against him when he sanctioned the invasion of Ukraine, but P and O have managed it - I still can't figure out whether whoever sanctioned that awful video shown yesterday was affected by arrogance or cowardice, probably it was both, but they were definitely incredibly stupid.

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Totally agree, this talent notion is bullshit anyway. Connections are what matter, not merit in such lofty positions.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

When people are trying to defend the obscene wages and bonuses CEOs and other big wigs in private companies are paid, they say that you have to pay the going rate for such talent. What sort of "talent" is required to give the okay both to what P and O did and the way they went about doing it? There are kids who'll be going past my house soon on their way to the local primary school who know that, purely in PR terms, what P and O did was score a huge own goal yesterday. Even Putin didn't have the whole of Parliament against him when he sanctioned the invasion of Ukraine, but P and O have managed it - I still can't figure out whether whoever sanctioned that awful video shown yesterday was affected by arrogance or cowardice, probably it was both, but they were definitely incredibly stupid.

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The majority of people (not all) will vote with their pocket and this will all be forgotten about in a few months time.

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The majority of people (not all) will vote with their pocket and this will all be forgotten about in a few months time.

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Sadly this is true.
Today's news, tomorrow's kebab wrapping.

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Which reminds me, anything happen to that bloke who had that lockdown party?

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The majority of people (not all) will vote with their pocket and this will all be forgotten about in a few months time.

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I don’t think this will have an effect on how people vote in itself, and, anyway, every Tory I’ve heard speak on the subject has been scathing about P and O, but it does add to what I think, and hope, is a growing impression among the public that there are some pretty thick and completely selfish people in positions of power these days - it’s probably always been the case, but there doesn’t half seem to be a lot of them at the moment.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I don’t think this will have an effect on how people vote in itself, and, anyway, every Tory I’ve heard speak on the subject has been scathing about P and O, but it does add to what I think, and hope, is a growing impression among the public that there are some pretty thick and completely selfish people in positions of power these days - it’s probably always been the case, but there doesn’t half seem to be a lot of them at the moment.

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Why on earth would you expect anything other than being scathing about this, irrespective of how they may vote?

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Why on earth would you expect anything other than being scathing about this, irrespective of how they may vote?

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I was saying this matter is non political in so far as all politicians I’ve heard talk about it have been scathing about P and O, but if you want to make it political, which party do you think it’s most likely those who came to the decision voted for in 2019? Could it be the one with a historic tendency to ride roughshod over worker’s rights?

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Totally agree. In terms of their methods there is probably a covid element here. "We needed to fire them in a safe manner, which was via pre recorded video etc". Utter fkn arseholes.

I'm on a ferry this summer, but it's Brittany Ferries. East for me me to say but I would strongly urge people to look at them and Irish Ferries and Stena. I can't say Ive heard of worse corporate behaviour than P&O on this

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Irish ferries have some pretty shady employment practices themselves mind. I think they went down the cheap agency route a good few years ago.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I don’t think this will have an effect on how people vote in itself, and, anyway, every Tory I’ve heard speak on the subject has been scathing about P and O, but it does add to what I think, and hope, is a growing impression among the public that there are some pretty thick and completely selfish people in positions of power these days - it’s probably always been the case, but there doesn’t half seem to be a lot of them at the moment.

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I meant more literally people will have some form of cognitive dissonance and whilst criticising them still use their services

Always happens

Let’s be honest most companies would get away with murder if not for employment laws, the more they’re stripped away, the further those in charge will go. As TOBW states those with leanings to the Tory party are more likely to be complicit with this. It’s not a big secret.

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I meant more literally people will have some form of cognitive dissonance and whilst criticising them still use their services

Always happens

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You could be right, but, for me, this is worse than a Ratners moment for P and O because of the heartlessness of it at a time when there’s a cost of living crisis going on and also the manner they went about informing the sacked workers of their decision - I reckon TBG is right when he suggests a rebranding exercise in the fairly near future.