I wasn't at the game unfortunately but I just saw this video of Dafydd Iwan, incredible atmosphere. So good to see the passion behind a Welsh language song from young and old!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=de...rginMediaSport
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I wasn't at the game unfortunately but I just saw this video of Dafydd Iwan, incredible atmosphere. So good to see the passion behind a Welsh language song from young and old!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=de...rginMediaSport
Passion at the rugby ?
You are having a laugh 😃
Football fans, always been far far better than rugby counterparts
Very powerful song with the crowd generating a great atmosphere. Pity about the bloke at 2.00 into the clip who is more preoccupied with his phone than the fervour of the occasion.
To be fair , I’ve followed Wales home and away for years and it’s only really since around 2015 that the atmosphere at Welsh football games has been great.
Welsh rugby on the other hand was always superb until around the redevelopment of the National Stadium (to the Millennium)
We really have got to get out of this siege mentality, small country syndrome.
As a born and bred Cardiff boy, i am so proud of all our national sporting teams.
Ok, so your PE teacher may have forced the oval ball game on you, and the media maybe rugby biased, and other countries may stereotype us as a rugby nation, but we really should be moving away from all that claptrap now.We continually punch above our weight in rugby and football, so lets be proud of that.
In Italy, France, England, Ireland and Scotland both sports thrive, with no small minded animosity .
I wonder now if we'll get more than a 30 second clip of it at the CCS before City games before the 10 second clip of that Frank Hennessy noise....
Going to have to disagree with that
If Wales are not doing very well in the rugby most of the fans just get pissed
There is very little singing going on , even when Wales are on top
No real passion at all , unlike that video of the Wales Austria game
It's incredibly emotional but sadly it won't get the coverage that anything rugby related gets
A day after the win against Austria the back page of the Western Mail was covered with a story about the game v France the Saturday before
Its a complete and utter joke . There are football fans out there who in the same way the Welsh rugby fans say as long as we beat the English as long as ccfc , swans win the rugby can piss off and we can call that childish but I can understand it .
Frank Hennesey is a rugby boy and has no interest in CCFC
Which is fine because I have never met anyone who has any interest in him.
It was cringeworthy that he and daffyd Ellis Thomas........who when interviewed said he was a man United fan ffs .....were wheeled out when we got to the cup final v pompey
Stick to your rugby 🏉
I quite like the Hennessy clip. Yes, it's old school and stereotypical, but he's as much a part of Cardiff - more, arguably - as Dafydd Iwan, and I say that as a proud Welsh speaker who'd love nothing more than to see more people use the language. Yma o Hyd is a tub-thumping anthem that I've shouted (my voice is awful) more times than I care to remember, but the club and city represent Welsh speakers and non-Welsh speakers alike. To be honest, I'm pleasantly surprised the song seems to have been adopted so readily by non-Welsh speakers.
I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm starting to get a bit concerned that Yma o Hyd is becoming too mainstream and far too overplayed. It's an awful comparison, but it feels like our version of Sweet Caroline, which used to be a nice song, but is now played everywhere, from numerous betting adverts to every England game.
The other huge factor being that you always get much better atmosphere at night games.
I would far rather have the full version of Yma o Hyd played before the City games than the Hennessy clip. But I understand where you're coming from.
Wales seems to have replaced rugby as the main sport of the nation as far as those attending matches of the respective national teams go. Rugby these days, and has been for a long time, is made up of mainly middle class people and those who can afford the outrageous prices the RFU charges for tickets to watch an international game
Why?
Could it be that you feel that there is some sort of bad feeling between non-speakers and speakers of the language.
Could it be that there is some sort of snobbery surrounding the Welsh speaking migrants sweeping through Pontcanna and Canton which fuels this feeling? Shirley not.
The fact that there are people in Wales that do not speak Welsh is no fault of theirs, but the past education system here.
Non-Welsh speaking people have been singing Mae hen wlad fy nhadau for years so why would they not join their Welsh speaking compatriots in such a heart-warming anthem?
Cymru am byth :wales:
Well I think you are being disingenuous to the very people you are talking about who feel they have every right to cock their nose up at Rugby as that's exactly what they have been subject to
You have already yourself listed bullying sports teachers not allowing youngsters to play football and the media overkill
Are you saying those points you raised are not valid ?
Or they are but because YOU don't let it bother you then all those people with a disdain for Welsh rugby have to like it or lump it ?
As far as I am concerned if one of city or Swansea supporting mates say I fecking can't stand rugby I don't agree 100 percent but I can see why they give it the elbow .
As a Welsh-speaker growing up in the Valleys, I was always aware of being in the minority. There remains a growing number of Welsh Primary and Secondary Schools in traditionally non-Welsh speaking areas of Wales, where the schools are effectively gulags, with the language only really being used in the classroom. Once the kids leave the school gate, the language is left behind. Going off on a tangent, my mother, who was from Maesteg, campaigned for a Welsh unit in a primary school in the mid-80s and was told by the then-Labour MP Allan Rogers to "go back to Welsh Wales, love". The irony of the same politician opening said unit a year later has never been lost on me.
I guess I've always been aware that the language is a divisive issue in Wales. As I said, I would love to see more people in Wales speak the language - and I use it whenever and wherever I can - but I'm always conscious of ramming the language down people's throat, so to speak. It's not for everyone, hence why I thought Yma O Hyd might not be "i ddant pawb", as we say in Welsh (i.e to everyone's taste). It was in no way meant to be a sinister or snobbish comment, I can assure you.
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Having been taught Welsh between the ages of twelve and thirteen, I reckon I’d still be trying to master it now if I’d continued with my studies, Duw, it was hard.
I took French and Latin for those two years in school as well and found them both a lot easier to pick up than Welsh which struck me very much as a language you needed to be taught at the earliest age possible.
Learning a language properly takes time and a lot of regular practice. Once a week isn't enough.
Many people don't have the free time to give to it, even if they want to - for example job and family commitments eating up the vast majority of their time. I wouldn't say that anyone who hasn't learned simply can't be arsed
I didn’t say anyone, I said the vast majority of us can’t be arsed, and I stand by that 100%.
Fair play to anyone who has tried to learn Welsh and has had to give up due to time constraints or simply because they found it too difficult, but I think we both know that most of us haven’t given the notion a second thought since we left school.
My son is in Derbyn, and his Welsh is coming on really well, however , I do resonate with your “gulag” and comment, as in as soon as he leaves school he reverts to speaking English even with his Welsh speaking class friends.
We as parents are learning Welsh however , is so difficult to pick up. That said I’m proud as punch with his progress.
I wish I could.
But, as mentioned, being born in 1954 I had no opportunity to learn while in school, I then spent my college years and much of my working lie in England.
Shortly after moving to Cardiff I suffered a stroke, limiting my mobility and losing my driving licence.
I wolud love to learn , even now, but mobility problems are a major hindrance.
Great to hear you're all learning the language. I was lucky enough to have been brought up in a bilingual household, where I spoke to Welsh to Mam and English to Dad. Like any language, I can well imagine it is difficult to learn. As someone else has said on here, hopefully being bilingual your kids (and you, as parents) may find it slightly easier learning a third language such as French or German, if and when that time comes.
Pob lwc!
As if by magic…..
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...ecome-23517725