Not the few but the many singing that Gareth Bale, Fkcu the union jack song?
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Not the few but the many singing that Gareth Bale, Fkcu the union jack song?
Pretty sure we’ve been singing that for 10yrs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peajay
Ages ago
The day Vinnie Jones won his first cap.
Since he withdrew from the GB squad at London 2012.
Since about 2012 :hehe:
Yep it’s been sung for many years.
Someone's new :hehe:
I sing it without mentioning Gareth Bale:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peajay
Do you object?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peajay
I always thought he took a break from football in the summer of 2012 to have his ears pinned back, and that his bad back was just a cover story.
Annoying thing if that's true is that "had his ears pinned back, f**k the union jack" works even betterQuote:
Originally Posted by The Bloop
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Originally Posted by delmbox
Following the City all my life there's always been a level of Wales v England every time the Bluebirds walk on the pitch playing an English side.
That's why we sing men of Harlech
Sheep shagging bastards
Oh England is full of shit.
Etc
It's definitely not new.
Ps an olden but golden song.
My old man he told me
All the English got VD.
What about ‘Bless ‘Em All’Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
Bless ‘em all
Bless ‘em all
The long and the short and the tall
We'll never be mastered by no English bastards
So play up the Blues bless ‘em all
A right old Grange End classic
I've had some great times following Wales and always will do but there's a definite rise of the nationalist types that are a bit off putting for me personally.
Independence rallies, Dafydd Iwan, Yes Wales or Cymru, Welsh language pushed everywhere, ****ing bucket hats especially can all be binned off for me.
Maybe someone can tie in that song to accepting an MBE.
How dare Welshmen following the Welsh national side push the Welsh language. 🙄Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
Nothing wrong with the Welsh language (my son who’s 5 is fluent) that being said , I find it off putting and would prefer if we embraced people from all backgrounds even if they are not Welsh but follow Wales. Just like Welsh players who are English.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
What’s off putting about singing in Welsh? Who’s not being embraced? We sing plenty of English songs compared to 3 songs in Welsh and the majority of communication and media by the FAW and players are in English. Do you have the same issue with the Manics being invited to perform at games or just Dafydd Iwan?Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
:hehe::hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
Remember both these songs. There was another oneQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
There will always be an england
There will always be aa king
And there will always be a Taffy
To kick the ****ers in
Not sung as often as the top two though
Spedger
If they knew the words I’d have no problem at all :hehe:
I’m guessing that one was dropped in 1952.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloop_Jon_Bee
Despite my accent being more Herefordian than Welsh I've never had any issues supporting Wales, been going since early 80s.Quote:
Originally Posted by TWGL1
My parents were from Abergavenny and they thought learning the language was a waste of time, as did their parents. But back a further generation or two my Dad's ancestors in Pembrokeshire were all Welsh speakers.
We know the history of why that happened and I think it's great that the Welsh language is now so encouraged and I don't feel threatened by it at all; in fact, quite the opposite, I hope it continues to flourish and spread.
They hardly make you do a Welsh written test and show a Plaid Cymru membership card before entry to the stadium, one Welsh song is being sung. Honestly if that's putting you off going to the games then you probably didn't want to go that much in the first place
It’s no the Welsh language bit I’m not fussed on , it’s the minority Indy elementQuote:
Originally Posted by Llanishen Bull
Probably 70/80% of them support English teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peajay
When I was in Dublin I was speaking to this guy from Wrexham.He supported Everton.I said ever thought of supporting your home town team.He went off on some rant about South Wales having everything.
I assumed this was behind the queues before most Wales games.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
As opposed to England? Also, Cardiff is the capital and SE Wales has about half of the population. North Wales also has something we don't. Wrexham.Quote:
Originally Posted by dandywarhol
The Welsh language is one of the few 'minority' languages in Europe to survive into the 21st Century. Was my wife's 1st language, and on my mother's side back 2 generations, the only language, so I have no problems with efforts to keep it alive and flourishing.
What does annoy me is how Welsh is put ahead of English in anything Government related. I ring the doctors [in Cardiff] and it's Welsh first, English second. When you consider there's more than a 1000 X more posts on this board than the Welsh version, it's plainly done for cultural/political reasons.
Or it’s done to keep the Welsh language where it should be, pride and place above all other languages in Wales, every little helpsQuote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
What's the matter with nationalism in football? Anything that raises awareness about Welsh nationalism is fine by me. There are 56 million people in England and they are in control of 533 of the 650 parliamentary seats. That's how we ended up with over 10 years of Thatcher followed by another 7 of John Major. Does anyone remember what Wales was like back then? Cardiff was a provincial backwater that was closed on Sundays. People in the valleys had to survive on food banks. Barry was a dump.
I do think there is a growing nationalist element within Wales' support and personally I don't like some elements of it - we talked on here before about yma o hyd and thats a song I like musically but I was a tad uncomfortable with it. I've changed my opinion on that. I think delmbox and others rightly pointed out that we shouldnt take things so literally, and I agree. I didn't sing it on sunday mainly because in my head the words are "wanktimus spanktimus maximus, bubblyboo yma ooo hyd..." Anyway, I digress..
I don't like the Gareth Bale song (I dont think the FAW do either) as talking about 'fking a flag' is just a bit weird and unsavoury but equally I had mates last week happy to wave a union flag bunting on friday who belted it out on sunday, so again, we are looking too much into it.
There are probably some who use the national team as a bit of a vehicle to push an agenda and some nationalists who follow the team more now than they did, and I guess that's fine but I do think the FAW should be awake to it as these things can be divisive and the national team is for everyone in Wales, most of whom share an identity that support some kind of political union other than independence. We are nothing like Northern Ireland, but the Irish FA will obviously give a lot more thought than most on their messaging and I think it's something we should keep in mind. Certainly if I was at the FAW I would keep an eye on it to prevent it becoming an issue in the future.
I suppose that depends on how you define nationalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
I'd hazard a guess that most of us would regard the 2016 Euro's quarter-final victory over Belgium as our national team's greatest-ever result. When you consider that all three of the Wales goals were scored by Englishmen, the notion of nationalism in football seems more than a little daft.
Cue Grangetown Blue in 3...2...1......Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
It's very difficult to understand what precise version of national identity people want when following Wales.
Twenty or thirty years ago going away was a bit like being a poor man's England but with greater factionalism. Dambusters songs in Nuremberg. Crews fighting each other on bridges in Milan. OK that was a product of its age but the difference between my trip to Wroclaw and Warsaw 20 years ago could not be more marked.
Bucket hats are not for me but they give those following the team an identity. It's a different take on Stadium Welsh than Daffodil faces and Max Boyce leeks but I prefer it. All those who come North/South in droves for home games, percentagewise many more speaking Welsh than within the City deserve a voice.
People express a sense of belonging in different ways. The current way with Welsh football seems inclusive and tolerant. You don't have to join some nationalistic sect who wants to burn someone's 2nd home to belt out Yma o Hyd.
It feels like every game at the moment is a celebration of being Welsh and Wales doing it on the big stage, that should be embraced really regardless of your wider stance.
Well, I obviously don't mean nationalism in the exclusionary sense. I just mean pride in who we are and what we can achieve.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Sat next to a person on Sunday who had the red shirt and bucket hat on . Got talking, told me he was a Man united season ticket holder. Part time Nationalist.