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Fans complain of heavy-handed policing ahead of Ukraine match
We investigated what happened on Sunday.
This is what we discovered.
- Dispersal Notices issued to six supporters
- Fans prevented access to Cardiff City Stadium
- Marches cancelled ahead of Nations League
- FIFA fine FAW for both World Cup playoffs
Read the full story...
https://nation.cymru/sport/wales-fan...ukraine-match/
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Originally Posted by
ccfcbluebird
We investigated what happened on Sunday.
This is what we discovered.
- Dispersal Notices issued to six supporters
- Fans prevented access to Cardiff City Stadium
- Marches cancelled ahead of Nations League
- FIFA fine FAW for both World Cup playoffs
Read the full story...
https://nation.cymru/sport/wales-fan...ukraine-match/
Is there no "journalist" in your organisation with the bollocks to put their name to this clickbait nonsense?
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Hi Cyril Evans Awaydays. Interesting "name". Your real one I take it? My name is David Owens. I've been a Cardiff City fan for 40 years. If you think that's clickbait you know nothing about journalism. It's a story I thought many of my fellow Cardiff City fans might be interested in.
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ccfcbluebird
Hi Cyril Evans Awaydays. Interesting "name". Your real one I take it? My name is David Owens. I've been a Cardiff City fan for 40 years. If you think that's clickbait you know nothing about journalism. It's a story I thought many of my fellow Cardiff City fans might be interested in.
No problem David. Sorry if I scratched a sore.
So I understand your article it seems to be a jumble of the following:
There is a group called Welsh Football Fans For Independence.
They apparently hold marches.
Some, (numbers unknown) apparently lit a flare and as a result got access to the stadium denied and for the Dutch game.
As a result the group cancelled their march to the stadium in a fit of pique for the Dutch game and Belgium on Saturday.
There is a picture of fans in your article walking normally to the ground.
Have I missed anything?
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How many people are in this Wales for independence splinter mob ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
How many people are in this Wales for independence splinter mob ?
You are not in the Football Fans for Independent Wales mob?......Splitter!
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cyril evans awaydays
You are not in the Football Fans for Independent Wales mob?......Splitter!
Free Wales ! .....from The Welsh !
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cyril evans awaydays
No problem David. Sorry if I scratched a sore.
So I understand your article it seems to be a jumble of the following:
There is a group called Welsh Football Fans For Independence.
They apparently hold marches.
Some, (numbers unknown) apparently lit a flare and as a result got access to the stadium denied and for the Dutch game.
As a result the group cancelled their march to the stadium in a fit of pique for the Dutch game and Belgium on Saturday.
There is a picture of fans in your article walking normally to the ground.
Have I missed anything?
But what is it that's scratched your sore, the fact he posts links, welsh independence, no name associated to the article, criticism of the Five 0?
Anybody who has been on this board long enough generally knows what they get from certain posters, ccfcbluebird posts link the National Cymru. You are a good honest poster, not sure why this has got your back up?
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Welsh Nationalists are a joke. They want to kick out the English, then invite the whole 3rd world. Sinn Fein and SNP are the same.
If you want Welsh culture to survive, it's best not to vote Plaid Cymru and tighten up our borders dramatically
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Lither_1927
Welsh Nationalists are a joke. They want to kick out the English, then invite the whole 3rd world. Sinn Fein and SNP are the same.
If you want Welsh culture to survive, it's best not to vote Plaid Cymru and tighten up our borders dramatically
Ok noted, thanks for your awesome contribution as ever
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OurManFlint II
But what is it that's scratched your sore, the fact he posts links, welsh independence, no name associated to the article, criticism of the Five 0?
Anybody who has been on this board long enough generally knows what they get from certain posters, ccfcbluebird posts link the National Cymru. You are a good honest poster, not sure why this has got your back up?
Reasonable question. When you say ccfcbluebird posts links to his online news he works for I know what you mean.
The article suggests there is some kind of police action to stiffle an independence movement that has been holding marches to the ground for the last 5 years. Nobody speaks for this group yet its response is to stop marching. Quite a bit of the article plays join the dots. Independence group.....flares....ground bans...flares....Uefa fines. But apparently plod were heavy handed.
So I guess all of the above!
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Originally Posted by
Lither_1927
Welsh Nationalists are a joke. They want to kick out the English, then invite the whole 3rd world. Sinn Fein and SNP are the same.
If you want Welsh culture to survive, it's best not to vote Plaid Cymru and tighten up our borders dramatically
Oh fecking hell nick Griffin has risen from the grave
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delmbox
Ok noted, thanks for your awesome contribution as ever
Oh the irony
So you think mass immigration from the 3rd world enhances Welsh heritage and secures it's future?
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Lither_1927
Oh the irony
So you think mass immigration from the 3rd world enhances Welsh heritage and secures it's future?
Mate if you think I'm going to bother getting into this with an anonymous Tommy Robinson wannabe on the internet then you're sadly mistaken
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Lither_1927
Oh the irony
So you think mass immigration from the 3rd world enhances Welsh heritage and secures it's future?
Has Wales experienced mass immigration from ......the 3rd world whatever that means .......?
The Cardiff and Newport areas are multi racial and multi racial but apart from pockets of immigration such as Polish into Llanelli I don't think there has been much of an attack on Welsh heritage ?
And to be honest with you if one of these immigrants sticks the head on max Boyce they are improving the culture of Wales so I am up for that ! 👍
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Has Wales experienced mass immigration from ......the 3rd world whatever that means .......?
The Cardiff and Newport areas are multi racial and multi racial but apart from pockets of immigration such as Polish into Llanelli I don't think there has been much of an attack on Welsh heritage ?
And to be honest with you if one of these immigrants sticks the head on max Boyce they are improving the culture of Wales so I am up for that ! 👍
Pretending to not know what is meant by the 3rd world? The "hatchling" act, strange lefty phenomenon.
Anyway, Once again you're shooting from the hip on a topic you know little about. How would you know about multiculturalism when you live in a white ethno town?
Native British folk are set to become a minority in their own homeland by 2066. This will be the demise of Welsh heritage and culture. Plaid and Labour want to make Wales an immigrant sanctuary. In otherwards They want more immigration. They are a complete joke.
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delmbox
Mate if you think I'm going to bother getting into this with an anonymous Tommy Robinson wannabe on the internet then you're sadly mistaken
Because we both know you have no argument.
I don't know why you bothered sniping. Awesome contribution
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Originally Posted by
Lither_1927
Pretending to not know what is meant by the 3rd world? The "hatchling" act, strange lefty phenomenon.
Anyway, Once again you're shooting from the hip on a topic you know little about. How would you know about multiculturalism when you live in a white ethno town?
Native British folk are set to become a minority in their own homeland by 2066. This will be the demise of Welsh heritage and culture. Plaid and Labour want to make Wales an immigrant sanctuary. In otherwards They want more immigration. They are a complete joke.
What do you mean by 'native British folk'?
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Oh god another "hatchling" LOL
For those unfamiliar with the term "hatchling" it's when lefties enter a debate pretending not to know anything about anything, they're just new to the world.
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Lither_1927
Oh god another "hatchling" LOL
For those unfamiliar with the term "hatchling" it's when lefties enter a debate pretending not to know anything about anything, they're just new to the world.
Yeah but what did you mean by "native British folk though"?
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Originally Posted by
Lither_1927
Welsh Nationalists are a joke. They want to kick out the English, then invite the whole 3rd world. Sinn Fein and SNP are the same.
If you want Welsh culture to survive, it's best not to vote Plaid Cymru and tighten up our borders dramatically
So, if you want Welsh nationalism, don't vote for the Welsh nationalist party? Although I've never been a Welsh nationalist, I do have more sympathy for the cause currently than at any other time in my life. However, I'm talking about nationalism as preached by Plaid Cymru and the SNP, not your type which always comes back to talk about closed borders, less immigration and the rights of "native (insert as appropriate) folk".
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Originally Posted by
Lither_1927
Pretending to not know what is meant by the 3rd world? The "hatchling" act, strange lefty phenomenon.
Anyway, Once again you're shooting from the hip on a topic you know little about. How would you know about multiculturalism when you live in a white ethno town?
Native British folk are set to become a minority in their own homeland by 2066. This will be the demise of Welsh heritage and culture. Plaid and Labour want to make Wales an immigrant sanctuary. In otherwards They want more immigration. They are a complete joke.
While you have underlying dangerous, racist views. ‘Native British folk’ .....reads like a term straight out of a BNP pamphlet. This messageboard in my experience predominantly leans to the left but also has reasoned contributions from its right wing members, it sticks out a country mile that this bothers you.
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Originally Posted by
Lither_1927
Pretending to not know what is meant by the 3rd world? The "hatchling" act, strange lefty phenomenon.
Anyway, Once again you're shooting from the hip on a topic you know little about. How would you know about multiculturalism when you live in a white ethno town?
Native British folk are set to become a minority in their own homeland by 2066. This will be the demise of Welsh heritage and culture. Plaid and Labour want to make Wales an immigrant sanctuary. In otherwards They want more immigration. They are a complete joke.
Everywhere needs some comic relief, can we keep this guy as the Forum Pet?
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You often hear 'heavy handed policing' written about, but without anyone actually describing what the police were doing and why they were doing it.
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Originally Posted by
Lither_1927
Pretending to not know what is meant by the 3rd world? The "hatchling" act, strange lefty phenomenon.
Anyway, Once again you're shooting from the hip on a topic you know little about. How would you know about multiculturalism when you live in a white ethno town?
Native British folk are set to become a minority in their own homeland by 2066. This will be the demise of Welsh heritage and culture. Plaid and Labour want to make Wales an immigrant sanctuary. In otherwards They want more immigration. They are a complete joke.
I have lived in Cardiff , Manchester, Oxford and Bradford
Is Bradford multi cultural enough for me to join in the debate with someone who sounds like Enoch Powells live in lover ?
Where do you live boyo ?
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delmbox
Mate if you think I'm going to bother getting into this with an anonymous Tommy Robinson wannabe on the internet then you're sadly mistaken
You couldn't get a more typical non-response from someone who hasn't a clue what they're outraged about. When you import the third world en masse in a relatively short period of time, shockingly, their cultural values and ideals don't all change as soon as their feet hit the ground. You don't think that might cause a few issues? Or does pointing out these obvious issues make one a Nick Griffin disciple?
Myself, as an immigrant who's lived in 3 separate countries over the past 10 years, I know more than many about the potential pitfalls of a reckless immigration system. And if post-independence Wales does indeed have such plans, then you're in for a rude awakening. But the country could literally be on fire and people like you would claim nothing's amiss......
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cyril evans awaydays
Is there no "journalist" in your organisation with the bollocks to put their name to this clickbait nonsense?
thsts why its constantly put on here under a make up name
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cyril evans awaydays
Is there no "journalist" in your organisation with the bollocks to put their name to this clickbait nonsense?
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poc
thsts why its constantly put on here under a make up name
Half of the stories linked to nation.cymru on here are usually re-hashed versions of WOL articles. They're hardly of high journalistic quality to start with.
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Tokyo Blue
You couldn't get a more typical non-response from someone who hasn't a clue what they're outraged about. When you import the third world en masse in a relatively short period of time, shockingly, their cultural values and ideals don't all change as soon as their feet hit the ground. You don't think that might cause a few issues? Or does pointing out these obvious issues make one a Nick Griffin disciple?
Myself, as an immigrant who's lived in 3 separate countries over the past 10 years, I know more than many about the potential pitfalls of a reckless immigration system. And if post-independence Wales does indeed have such plans, then you're in for a rude awakening. But the country could literally be on fire and people like you would claim nothing's amiss......
So you have been an immigrant to 3 countries and hopefully benefitted from the experience
Yet it seems you are in a position to question the immigration of others to the UK ?
What is different about you ?
What culture have you left behind and what culture have you picked on your travels ?
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Originally Posted by
Tokyo Blue
You couldn't get a more typical non-response from someone who hasn't a clue what they're outraged about. When you import the third world en masse in a relatively short period of time, shockingly, their cultural values and ideals don't all change as soon as their feet hit the ground. You don't think that might cause a few issues? Or does pointing out these obvious issues make one a Nick Griffin disciple?
Myself, as an immigrant who's lived in 3 separate countries over the past 10 years, I know more than many about the potential pitfalls of a reckless immigration system. And if post-independence Wales does indeed have such plans, then you're in for a rude awakening. But the country could literally be on fire and people like you would claim nothing's amiss......
If anyone questions any immigration policy they are automatically deemed racist by the left in our society
you have posted about mass-immigration and that it could cause issues and you have mentioned knowing about potential pitfalls of a reckless immigration system, all reasonable but we do need to return to the 1st point I made :shrug:
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Originally Posted by
ccfcbluebird
We investigated what happened on Sunday.
This is what we discovered.
- Dispersal Notices issued to six supporters
- Fans prevented access to Cardiff City Stadium
- Marches cancelled ahead of Nations League
- FIFA fine FAW for both World Cup playoffs
Read the full story...
https://nation.cymru/sport/wales-fan...ukraine-match/
Heavy handed policing used to entail getting cracked ribs, severe bruising on the thighs from a baton and the odd poor sod being chewed by an Alsatian.
You then used to laugh about it in the pub later with your mates.
Kids these days moan about fuucking everything.
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celticknight
Everywhere needs some comic relief, can we keep this guy as the Forum Pet?
In my head he's a British 'bulldog' named Tommy.
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Jordi Culé
In my head he's a British 'bulldog' named Tommy.
I am not racist ......but
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blue matt
If anyone questions any immigration policy they are automatically deemed racist by the left in our society
you have posted about mass-immigration and that it could cause issues and you have mentioned knowing about potential pitfalls of a reckless immigration system, all reasonable but we do need to return to the 1st point I made :shrug:
No one is complaining about discussing immigration policy in here just the obvious use of dog whistle racism.
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Originally Posted by
ccfcbluebird
We investigated what happened on Sunday.
This is what we discovered.
- Dispersal Notices issued to six supporters
- Fans prevented access to Cardiff City Stadium
- Marches cancelled ahead of Nations League
- FIFA fine FAW for both World Cup playoffs
Read the full story...
https://nation.cymru/sport/wales-fan...ukraine-match/
My take on this -
There is nothing ‘safe’ about ‘fans’ walking about with flares in their pockets, ready to use.
There is nothing ‘safe’ about ‘fans’ lighting flares and walking around with them lit or throwing them lit.
What were the ‘fans’ going to do with the flares in their possession when they arrived at the ground ? Put them in waste bins or give them up to stewards/police - yeah right.
What the hell has promoting Welsh Independence got to do with attending a football game anyway. No doubt the march organisers use these events as a type of ‘rent a crowd’ scenario, filming ordinary fans congregating and walking to the game and then use this as propaganda to make it look like they have loads of support.
The title of this thread should really be changed to read ‘six fans complain of heavy handed policing on way to Ukraine match’. In my opinion the response of the police and Welsh FA was measured and appropriate for the position they were presented with.
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Originally Posted by
Tokyo Blue
You couldn't get a more typical non-response from someone who hasn't a clue what they're outraged about. When you import the third world en masse in a relatively short period of time, shockingly, their cultural values and ideals don't all change as soon as their feet hit the ground. You don't think that might cause a few issues? Or does pointing out these obvious issues make one a Nick Griffin disciple?
Myself, as an immigrant who's lived in 3 separate countries over the past 10 years, I know more than many about the potential pitfalls of a reckless immigration system. And if post-independence Wales does indeed have such plans, then you're in for a rude awakening. But the country could literally be on fire and people like you would claim nothing's amiss......
Can you give some examples of countries that have/are importing the third world en masse in a relatively short period of time that have caused the sort of issues you’re thinking of and what sort of issues you mean? These are genuine questions as, to go back to what someone said half a century ago, I’m still waiting to see the cataclysmic “rivers of blood” Enoch Powell referred to.
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lardy
What do you mean by 'native British folk'?
I think he really needs to watch Stewart Lee's sketch on immigration to the UK... "coming over 'ere!" :hehe:
Can't find another link other than this on facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1044077395979528
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blue matt
If anyone questions any immigration policy they are automatically deemed racist by the left in our society
you have posted about mass-immigration and that it could cause issues and you have mentioned knowing about potential pitfalls of a reckless immigration system, all reasonable but we do need to return to the 1st point I made :shrug:
Yeah and if you question immigration policy such as Rwanda and the mimimum wage and dare to question we will have mass immigration from the 3rd World😂😂😂😂you get branded a lefty.
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CopenhagenBlue
That kills me , he's a funny guy