Knife crime in this area

Another “ incident” close to Ely Leisure Centre earlier today , in which two teenagers were taken into police custody. I don’t get it ,and never will. Why do you need to carry a knife around with you ? If you’re carrying one, then you must be wanting to use it sooner or later. I don’t see it getting any better in the future,unless the authorities really want to change the rules in this country. What do others think ?

Guns. Lots of guns. Should sort things out right?

I think that it getting worse is partly due to the glamorisation of gang culture perpetuated by certain musical genres. There’s been a normalisation of misogynistic, racist and violent lyrics in mainstream music and no one’s speaking out because that wouldn’t be cool.
It’s become cool to be a bad boy amongst young people.

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

I think that it getting worse is partly due to the glamorisation of gang culture perpetuated by certain musical genres. There’s been a normalisation of misogynistic, racist and violent lyrics in mainstream music and no one’s speaking out because that wouldn’t be cool.
It’s become cool to be a bad boy amongst young people.

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Spot on but be prepared to be shot down for daring to criticise modern day youth culture !

Mods and Rockers carried knives many many years ago

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

I think that it getting worse is partly due to the glamorisation of gang culture perpetuated by certain musical genres. There’s been a normalisation of misogynistic, racist and violent lyrics in mainstream music and no one’s speaking out because that wouldn’t be cool.
It’s become cool to be a bad boy amongst young people.

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I’d say your last sentence has always held true.

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Originally Posted by Ivortheengine

Another “ incident” close to Ely Leisure Centre earlier today , in which two teenagers were taken into police custody. I don’t get it ,and never will. Why do you need to carry a knife around with you ? If you’re carrying one, then you must be wanting to use it sooner or later. I don’t see it getting any better in the future,unless the authorities really want to change the rules in this country. What do others think ?

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What rules do you want to change?

https://www.police.uk/pu/advice-crim...on-of-weapons/

My gut feeling is that knife crime is more likely to reduce through cultural change than through tinkering with legal proscriptions and sentencing guidelines. I doubt greater restrictions or tougher sentences will have an effect - they haven't in the past. When I was working for our local Council there was a low level arms race of knife carrying (and sometimes use) often where frightened kids carried a knife for what they thought was self defence, but ended up escalating incidents that might have been avoided. Hard to break the cycle of fear and violence - but we had some success working with community/gang leaders to make knife carrying appear a sign of weakness not strength.

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

I think that it getting worse is partly due to the glamorisation of gang culture perpetuated by certain musical genres. There’s been a normalisation of misogynistic, racist and violent lyrics in mainstream music and no one’s speaking out because that wouldn’t be cool.
It’s become cool to be a bad boy amongst young people.

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Guns don't kill people, Rappers do!

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

Spot on but be prepared to be shot down for daring to criticise modern day youth culture !

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too right, and don't get me started on those tikstagrams they play on their gameboys

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Originally Posted by OurManFlint II

Guns don't kill people, Rappers do!

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From Bristol Zoo to B&Q

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Originally Posted by jon1959

What rules do you want to change?

https://www.police.uk/pu/advice-crim...on-of-weapons/

My gut feeling is that knife crime is more likely to reduce through cultural change than through tinkering with legal proscriptions and sentencing guidelines. I doubt greater restrictions or tougher sentences will have an effect - they haven't in the past. When I was working for our local Council there was a low level arms race of knife carrying (and sometimes use) often where frightened kids carried a knife for what they thought was self defence, but ended up escalating incidents that might have been avoided. Hard to break the cycle of fear and violence - but we had some success working with community/gang leaders to make knife carrying appear a sign of weakness not strength.

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I've always read with interest Glasgows strategy to knife crime that was (I think) successful.

If Glasgow can do it, where it was entrenched (knife crime) in their gangs, its doable in other cities?

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

Spot on but be prepared to be shot down for daring to criticise modern day youth culture !

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Reformed Cardiff City fans’ll put the world to rights!

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Reformed Cardiff City fans’ll put the world to rights!

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That was flippant and I'm sorry if I've offended any reformed Cardiff City bad boys.

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

I've always read with interest Glasgows strategy to knife crime that was (I think) successful.

If Glasgow can do it, where it was entrenched (knife crime) in their gangs, its doable in other cities?

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Mogwai

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

I think that it getting worse is partly due to the glamorisation of gang culture perpetuated by certain musical genres. There’s been a normalisation of misogynistic, racist and violent lyrics in mainstream music and no one’s speaking out because that wouldn’t be cool.
It’s become cool to be a bad boy amongst young people.

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but god forbid you say anything about LGBTQIAXYZÅÖÄ..not having a go at that community but there needs to be some sort of regulation

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

but god forbid you say anything about LGBTQIAXYZÅÖÄ..not having a go at that community but there needs to be some sort of regulation

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You think people don't say anything bad about the LGBTQ community?

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Originally Posted by delmbox

You think people don't say anything bad about the LGBTQ community?

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not on here. hopefully

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

but god forbid you say anything about LGBTQIAXYZÅÖÄ..not having a go at that community but there needs to be some sort of regulation

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What connection between the LGBT community and gang violence and knife crime have you noticed?

A 15 year old boy was sentenced to life in Liverpool for stabbing a 12 year old girl in a Snapchat row. His defence was that he accidentally stabbed the young girl in self defence.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

That was flippant and I'm sorry if I've offended any reformed Cardiff City bad boys.

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I've always been a goody two shoes mate so no offence taken !

I do like a bit of old man outrage every now and then.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

What rules do you want to change?

https://www.police.uk/pu/advice-crim...on-of-weapons/

My gut feeling is that knife crime is more likely to reduce through cultural change than through tinkering with legal proscriptions and sentencing guidelines. I doubt greater restrictions or tougher sentences will have an effect - they haven't in the past. When I was working for our local Council there was a low level arms race of knife carrying (and sometimes use) often where frightened kids carried a knife for what they thought was self defence, but ended up escalating incidents that might have been avoided. Hard to break the cycle of fear and violence - but we had some success working with community/gang leaders to make knife carrying appear a sign of weakness not strength.

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Yes! Cultural change is what’s required - same with drugs.
It’s largely worked on drink driving - by making it socially unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw

I think that it getting worse is partly due to the glamorisation of gang culture perpetuated by certain musical genres. There’s been a normalisation of misogynistic, racist and violent lyrics in mainstream music and no one’s speaking out because that wouldn’t be cool.
It’s become cool to be a bad boy amongst young people.

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Loads of factors at play, but I think this is more connected to the issue than people like to admit.

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

What connection between the LGBT community and gang violence and knife crime have you noticed?

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Let me say that the TBG community believes in scatter cushions, joss sticks and real ale.

Cathays is the crime hot spot in south wales. The police and WAG keep this under the radar as not to deter students come to the University as they and the Uni bring in lots of £££££££ . And knife crime is rife around the capital. Again, kept under the radar from news by WAG .

Isn’t blaming it on music or the like short sighted? I listen to loads of different types of music and it’s never encouraged me to do anything violent.

Isn’t it more likely poverty, education and things like that are too blame?

Those bloody Eastern European immigrants and their polkas.

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Originally Posted by rudy gestede

Isn’t blaming it on music or the like short sighted? I listen to loads of different types of music and it’s never encouraged me to do anything violent.

Isn’t it more likely poverty, education and things like that are too blame?

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Nah it’s Dungeons and Dragons, Metallica and Videogames turning our youth into rampaging Rambo wannabes.