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Train strike on opening day of the season
Well that's a bit shitty. Glad we are not away at Norwich as it's a great awayday on the train.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Michael Morris
Well that's a bit shitty. Glad we are not away at Norwich as it's a great awayday on the train.
Hope we’ve dodged a bullet, we're on the choo-choo for Reading the week after.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Hope we’ve dodged a bullet, we're on the choo-choo for Reading the week after.
Tell us about the time you travelled on Stephenson’s Rocket Mr P!
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Michael Morris
Well that's a bit shitty. Glad we are not away at Norwich as it's a great awayday on the train.
You enjoy travelling 6 hours across country to a town full of farmers ?
To watch us get stuffed ?
Stand and deliver
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
Strikes on the 18th & 20th August. No game affected.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
Tell us about the time you travelled on Stephenson’s Rocket Mr P!
I went through the Severn Tunnel when it was only three.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
Strikes again? what is it with train workers, they get paid a decent wedge for just driving a poxy train - yet want more and more! it's a train! not a rocket ship to the moon. They should be lucky to be in good paid jobs these days
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Dave St
Strikes again? what is it with train workers, they get paid a decent wedge for just driving a poxy train - yet want more and more! it's a train! not a rocket ship to the moon. They should be lucky to be in good paid jobs these days
This strike is for the rail workers, excluding drivers. The average railway worker earns less than £30k.
The reason drivers earn good money is down to strong unions.
Surely a win for the working man is a win for all of us.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Dave St
Strikes again? what is it with train workers, they get paid a decent wedge for just driving a poxy train - yet want more and more! it's a train! not a rocket ship to the moon. They should be lucky to be in good paid jobs these days
Another one who has no idea of what it takes to drive a train.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Another one who has no idea of what it takes to drive a train.
Elucidate then...
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Dave St
Strikes again? what is it with train workers, they get paid a decent wedge for just driving a poxy train - yet want more and more! it's a train! not a rocket ship to the moon. They should be lucky to be in good paid jobs these days
Train drivers are not your enemy here.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Train drivers are not your enemy here.
They are if you want to go somewhere by train, irrespective of your political leanings, and lets be fair, this is political. The need for a pay rise may not be but the timing definitely was.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
If you're against these rail strikes you're an absolute bootlicking tosser.
Happy for scraps while the billionaire class who control our politicians and whose wealth is skyrockeying piss themselves laughing at us plebs?
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
They are if you want to go somewhere by train, irrespective of your political leanings, and lets be fair, this is political. The need for a pay rise may not be but the timing definitely was.
The timing is political in what way? To coincide with the Tory leadership contest?
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Train drivers are not your enemy here.
Who is? The government who kept them in jobs when the numbers using trains fell to about 5-10% of previous numbers for u to 18 months I guess, right?
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
If you're against these rail strikes you're an absolute bootlicking tosser.
Happy for scraps while the billionaire class who control our politicians and whose wealth is skyrockeying piss themselves laughing at us plebs?
I'd go stronger. Anyone who doesn't support it, or any of your opinions in fact, is a fascist and a very very naughty boy
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
lardy
The timing is political in what way? To coincide with the Tory leadership contest?
Only the timing in the different unions all striking at the same time to cause the maximum problems for the country. Then being joined by threat from doctors and other unions, as if a national strike.
That doesn't detract that it may be a justified action for the lower paid workers (Not the drivers)
Never the less anyone who needs a train to get somewhere and that train isn't there will still curse them its human nature.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
If you're against these rail strikes you're an absolute bootlicking tosser.
Happy for scraps while the billionaire class who control our politicians and whose wealth is skyrockeying piss themselves laughing at us plebs?
you're a bootlicking tosser who wallows in the politics of envy, but hey, its not political, (Except in your head) or is it?
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Who is? The government who kept them in jobs when the numbers using trains fell to about 5-10% of previous numbers for u to 18 months I guess, right?
Yeah, should’ve laid ‘em all off like the airports & airlines did………..that went well
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Who is? The government who kept them in jobs when the numbers using trains fell to about 5-10% of previous numbers for u to 18 months I guess, right?
I've never said the government is the enemy. Many other negatives but not that.
Billionaires have been mentioned on this thread, and it's a sad fact that a single billionaire has much more influence than 10 million of us. And they aren't shaping the world in favour of us
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Only the timing in the different unions all striking at the same time to cause the maximum problems for the country. Then being joined by threat from doctors and other unions, as if a national strike.
That doesn't detract that it may be a justified action for the lower paid workers (Not the drivers)
Never the less anyone who needs a train to get somewhere and that train isn't there will still curse them its human nature.
That's the whole point of a strike, isn't it? Nobody strikes midnight to 5am.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Lither_1927
Elucidate then...
Some people think it's just a case of going forwards or backwards and obeying a few signals. That is far from the case.
Most of a train driver's training is route learning, which on some long routes can take up to a year. A train isn't like a car in terms of its ability to stop quickly and, for safety reasons, a driver will need to know every incline, junction, signal, level crossing etc along the full length of the route. Each driver has to pass a test to prove they have detailed knowledge of the route. Once they are allowed to drive it, if they don't drive it for 6 months, they have to go on a refresher course.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Strikes on the 18th & 20th August. No game affected.
West Brom away is August 17th so it may be the case that last trains leave early that evening in anticipation of no trains the following day. 21st is Brizzle away. Trains might not be up and running again on the (early) Sunday morning after the Saturday strike. Car or coach it is. Especially after the fiasco at Christmas of WMP closing Bordesley Station. No fun being stuck in the arse end of nowhere.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Some people think it's just a case of going forwards or backwards and obeying a few signals. That is far from the case.
Most of a train driver's training is route learning, which on some long routes can take up to a year. A train isn't like a car in terms of its ability to stop quickly and, for safety reasons, a driver will need to know every incline, junction, signal, level crossing etc along the full length of the route. Each driver has to pass a test to prove they have detailed knowledge of the route. Once they are allowed to drive it, if they don't drive it for 6 months, they have to go on a refresher course.
I don't dispute that it's a tough job at all and is rightly well paid.
The issue for me, is that this is an industry that was utterly on it's arse for 18 months. Almost nobody was commuting on trains and essentially nobody was travelling across country. Were it normal times, these jobs would have ceased to exist.
They didn't because of government support, paid for by us (or more accruately, our kids).
That changes things and it's the reason I don't support the strikes. It is also no route out of the problem of inflation. If every sector did this we will merely exacerbate the problem, prolong it and extend the pain.
Pandemics are fkn shit. Wars are fkn shit. Ukrainians are losing their lives and for us the consequences are economic, but they are not solved through actions like this.
No support from me on this occasion
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Some people think it's just a case of going forwards or backwards and obeying a few signals. That is far from the case.
Most of a train driver's training is route learning, which on some long routes can take up to a year. A train isn't like a car in terms of its ability to stop quickly and, for safety reasons, a driver will need to know every incline, junction, signal, level crossing etc along the full length of the route. Each driver has to pass a test to prove they have detailed knowledge of the route. Once they are allowed to drive it, if they don't drive it for 6 months, they have to go on a refresher course.
But is it more complicated than driving an arctic lorry? Doubtful
I did hear a programme on radio 4 once. It claimed that train driving was considered a "High Stakes/Low Control" occupation, This combination is meant to weigh heavily on the psychè of drivers to the point they die prematurely because of it, presumably due to stress and heart disease. This was the explanation for their large salary. If this is true then it's understandable they receive good money.
Having said that, JamesWales makes some good points on covid. We all have to take the hit due to the debt built up by furlough
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
you're a bootlicking tosser who wallows in the politics of envy, but hey, its not political, (Except in your head) or is it?
Politics of envy? Trust me I'm doing alright.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
I don't dispute that it's a tough job at all and is rightly well paid.
The issue for me, is that this is an industry that was utterly on it's arse for 18 months. Almost nobody was commuting on trains and essentially nobody was travelling across country. Were it normal times, these jobs would have ceased to exist.
They didn't because of government support, paid for by us (or more accruately, our kids).
That changes things and it's the reason I don't support the strikes. It is also no route out of the problem of inflation. If every sector did this we will merely exacerbate the problem, prolong it and extend the pain.
Pandemics are fkn shit. Wars are fkn shit. Ukrainians are losing their lives and for us the consequences are economic, but they are not solved through actions like this.
No support from me on this occasion
You'd have said the exact same thing through every single improvement to workers conditions ever made.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Politics of envy? Trust me I'm doing alright.
Would you lose out personally from a Labour government? If so, how?
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
You'd have said the exact same thing through every single improvement to workers conditions ever made.
Except I wouldn't, I haven't, I don't and I have been on strike myself on two occasions.
So you are wrong, unsurprisingly.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
lardy
That's the whole point of a strike, isn't it? Nobody strikes midnight to 5am.
Lardy I never argued that the strike was unfair or anything else. If you read me post all I said was that whatever the merits or demerits of the action, someone trying to get somewhere on the train who cannot because of the strikes will hate it and see the drivers (at that moment) as his or her enemy. All the rest was generated by people making political statements demonstrating that its not political.
Personally I'm only here because I'm sitting in my office on a construction site bored sh.ttless because everyone had stopped work in anticipation of the ridiculously hot weather ordered by the useless tory scum government for monday and tuesday. And that is not a political opinion btw.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Politics of envy? Trust me I'm doing alright.
Now we have you pegged........ Left wing champagne socialist. Do you live in Islington by any chance?
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Now we have you pegged........ Left wing champagne socialist. Do you live in Islington by any chance?
So let me get this right, if I'm poor I'm just jealous, if I'm doing alright I'm a champagne socialist.
What's the exact amount of wealth I should have before I can complain about inequality?
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Lither_1927
Would you lose out personally from a Labour government? If so, how?
Well I've got no idea because Labour don't really have any policies.
If Corbyn was in charge I'd have been taxed far higher on capital gains as I've made significant amount on investments over the past two years. And guess what? I wouldn't mind that.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Well I've got no idea because Labour don't really have any policies.
If Corbyn was in charge I'd have been taxed far higher on capital gains as I've made significant amount on investments over the past two years. And guess what? I wouldn't mind that.
Easy to say that when it hasn't happened and is unlikely to. :wink:
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Easy to say that when it hasn't happened and is unlikely to. :wink:
Just because you're incapable of imagining people happy to see their money spent on helping others and vital services such as the NHS doesn't mean everyone thinks like you.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Just because you're incapable of imagining people happy to see their money spent on helping others and vital services such as the NHS doesn't mean everyone thinks like you.
You can spend money on helping others without wasting it with marxist fruitcakes in Government.
You could've donated the capital gains you didn't pay to charity. But i doubt you did, or you would've already said so.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Just because you're incapable of imagining people happy to see their money spent on helping others and vital services such as the NHS doesn't mean everyone thinks like you.
I'm quite capable of imagining it. Why do you always assume that people can or cannot do this or that. It's very pretentious.
I've paid my due taxes all my life. I have no problem with it.
But I do hate to see it wasted. don't you?
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Doucas
Just because you're incapable of imagining people happy to see their money spent on helping others and vital services such as the NHS doesn't mean everyone thinks like you.
You should be happy Ducky.
In the last couple of years, more money has been spent on the NHS and on helping people than at any point in human history. And yet still you are vitriolic.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
Michael Morris
Well that's a bit shitty. Glad we are not away at Norwich as it's a great awayday on the train.
I am affected as I have already paid for an advance return ticket from London Paddington for Norwich at home.
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Re: Train strike on opening day of the season
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
I'm quite capable of imagining it. Why do you always assume that people can or cannot do this or that. It's very pretentious.
I've paid my due taxes all my life. I have no problem with it.
But I do hate to see it wasted. don't you?
I'm still waiting for you to tell me the exact amount of wealth I should have before I complain about growing inequality.
If you hate to see it wasted you must be absolutely raging at the current government who've put on almost a trillion of debt, even before covid. You must be furious at brexit.
People like you only complain about wasted money when it's aimed at helping people.