Manchester United, oh dear.

2-0 down at home to Brighton who’ve just scored a great second goal = both scored by Gross who cost them about £1.5 million.

Erik ten Hag out.

Just love to see it. Lovely counter from Brighton but also seemed so easy.

I think UTD are lucky not to be down to 10 men after that McTominay tackle.

Don’t know if it’s my eyesight, my TV, or his new haircut, but Danny Welbeck looks a lot older this season.

Ref's and VAR still give them the decisions. That should have been a penalty for Brighton

FT: Man Utd 1 - 2 Brighton

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Don’t know if it’s my eyesight, my TV, or his new haircut, but Danny Welbeck looks a lot older this season.

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He is older.
By one year.

No leadership on the pitch from Man U. Long may it continue.

how have successive managers failed to realise that mctominay is just not good enough for that level

Another Manager who won’t see out his contract. The Ferguson effect is still hampering the Club.

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Another Manager who won’t see out his contract. The Ferguson effect is still hampering the Club.

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Indeed. Fergie left them in disarray, loads of top stars leaving and no quality replacements. Mind you, there's no excuse for the plethora of failed managers that followed and failed to rebuild. It's not like they've got no money either.

A case of picking wrong manager after wrong manager in my opinion.

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Indeed. Fergie left them in disarray, loads of top stars leaving and no quality replacements. Mind you, there's no excuse for the plethora of failed managers that followed and failed to rebuild. It's not like they've got no money either.

A case of picking wrong manager after wrong manager in my opinion.

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... and expecting them to be as good as Fergie.

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... and expecting them to be as good as Fergie.

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I would argue that Fergie himself got somewhat lucky to a certain degree though.
What would he have achieved without that class of 92 coming through....
He did sign some great players to be fair to him, but he might not have been there to sign them in the first place if that crop hadn't have come through when they did.

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I would argue that Fergie himself got somewhat lucky to a certain degree though.
What would he have achieved without that class of 92 coming through....
He did sign some great players to be fair to him, but he might not have been there to sign them in the first place if that crop hadn't have come through when they did.

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Got lucky in the 1990 semi final as well, that saved his skin.

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Got lucky in the 1990 semi final as well, that saved his skin.

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Agreed, wasn't it Mark Robins or someone that basically saved his career at Utd?

Yep! just like us! one loss and relegation fodder

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Agreed, wasn't it Mark Robins or someone that basically saved his career at Utd?

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Robins scored a winning goal in a tricky Third Round FA Cup tie at Forest when it was generally felt that they would go out and Fergie would lose his job - he’d been in charge for something like three or four ears then and there been no real sign of improvement, but after they won the Cup, all of the pressure he was under disappeared.

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Robins scored a winning goal in a tricky Third Round FA Cup tie at Forest when it was generally felt that they would go out and Fergie would lose his job - he’d been in charge for something like three or four ears then and there been no real sign of improvement, but after they won the Cup, all of the pressure he was under disappeared.

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Funny how things pan out. Warnock is arguably a better manager :hehe:

And Brighton should have had a penalty as well. It was a good performance by them especially as they seem to sell their best players.

They need a clear out but don’t seem capable of doing it.

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I would argue that Fergie himself got somewhat lucky to a certain degree though.
What would he have achieved without that class of 92 coming through....
He did sign some great players to be fair to him, but he might not have been there to sign them in the first place if that crop hadn't have come through when they did.

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Think the signing of Cantona was what ignited United’s dominance at the start of the Premier League era. Signed from Leeds after their title success in 92.
Don’t think many of the class of 92 were regulars during United’s first title season under Ferguson.

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Don’t know if it’s my eyesight, my TV, or his new haircut, but Danny Welbeck looks a lot older this season.

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He's no spring chicken these days. He's 32 this year.

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Think the signing of Cantona was what ignited United’s dominance at the start of the Premier League era. Signed from Leeds after their title success in 92.
Don’t think many of the class of 92 were regulars during United’s first title season under Ferguson.

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*Cough* Scholes, Giggs, Butt, Beckham, both Nevilles's...
Are you being serious?

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*Cough* Scholes, Giggs, Butt, Beckham, both Nevilles's...
Are you being serious?

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Giggs was the only one of those players to feature regularly for Man Utd in 1992/93.

I've just seen that Darren Ferguson made 15 appearances for them that season, so nepotism is one thing that Sir Alex and Sir Neil have in common.

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Robins scored a winning goal in a tricky Third Round FA Cup tie at Forest when it was generally felt that they would go out and Fergie would lose his job - he’d been in charge for something like three or four ears then and there been no real sign of improvement, but after they won the Cup, all of the pressure he was under disappeared.

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That 89/90 season was one where United struggled, were close to the relegation zone for most of it and had shown another season of decline under Ferguson. Liverpool lost a classic FA cup semi to Palace. Villa, unlikely league runners up, lost at Oldham on the plastic pitch. All the big sides fell away, leaving the door open for an average United side to win the cup after a replay. Mark Robins was a scoring sensation at the end of the season and kept them up.

The following season saw what I thought was a defining moment. Arsenal, unbeaten at home all season, played United in a league cup game at Highbury. United were 3-0 up in no time but Arsenal pulled it back to 3-2. United were scintillating in attack and won 6-2. Arsenal won the league, losing only once all season. They conceded 18 at home in the league all season and were unbeaten, yet in that one game they were absolutely battered. If I remember correctly, United played quite a few youngsters in that game. 2 years later they won the league.

United won the first PL with 84 points. That was for a 42 game season, which equates to 78 points for a 38 game season. Only once has the PL champions in a 38 game season won less than 78 points, ironically United in 1997

Sludge must be gutted. Or is it Liverpool he's into?

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Giggs was the only one of those players to feature regularly for Man Utd in 1992/93.

I've just seen that Darren Ferguson made 15 appearances for them that season, so nepotism is one thing that Sir Alex and Sir Neil have in common.

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Having Bryan Robson, Pallister, Irwin, Bruce, Schmeichel, Parker, Ince, Kanchelskis, Mark Hughes, Brian McClair etc, I'm sure would have helped them win the league also.
To be fair to Fergie, I'm bleating about the class of 92, but he did sign some damn good players outside of those "kids".
Keane being another.

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I hate them both

Wrong thread :hehe:

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That 89/90 season was one where United struggled, were close to the relegation zone for most of it and had shown another season of decline under Ferguson. Liverpool lost a classic FA cup semi to Palace. Villa, unlikely league runners up, lost at Oldham on the plastic pitch. All the big sides fell away, leaving the door open for an average United side to win the cup after a replay. Mark Robins was a scoring sensation at the end of the season and kept them up.

The following season saw what I thought was a defining moment. Arsenal, unbeaten at home all season, played United in a league cup game at Highbury. United were 3-0 up in no time but Arsenal pulled it back to 3-2. United were scintillating in attack and won 6-2. Arsenal won the league, losing only once all season. They conceded 18 at home in the league all season and were unbeaten, yet in that one game they were absolutely battered. If I remember correctly, United played quite a few youngsters in that game. 2 years later they won the league.

United won the first PL with 84 points. That was for a 42 game season, which equates to 78 points for a 38 game season. Only once has the PL champions in a 38 game season won less than 78 points, ironically United in 1997

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A good documentary, it covers those seasons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXLF1qmizO4 Sir Alex Ferguson Never give up

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They need a clear out but don’t seem capable of doing it.

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They do, they have the same job to do as we have just on, it will take three seasons at least they look so far off the pace it's unbelievable.

Isn't it funny, the owners were OK for a while again, now they're shyte they have to go!

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United won the first PL with 84 points. That was for a 42 game season, which equates to 78 points for a 38 game season. Only once has the PL champions in a 38 game season won less than 78 points, ironically United in 1997

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It would be 76 points over a 38 game season, exactly 2 points per game.

That 96/97 season was quite extraordinary. Second only had 68 points and 8 points separated 9th from 19th.

Alex Ferguson who won three league titles, four Scottish Cups, one League Cup and the European Cup Winners' Cup with Aberdeen before winning 38 trophies at Man Utd was "lucky"

Football fans on messageboards are utterly delusional :hehe:

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Alex Ferguson who won three league titles, four Scottish Cups, one League Cup and the European Cup Winners' Cup with Aberdeen before winning 38 trophies at Man Utd was "lucky"

Football fans on messageboards are utterly delusional :hehe:

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Man Utd fan I take it?
He was close to losing his job. That one result would have changed the course of history.
And yes, he was lucky. Giggs, Scholes, both Neville's and Beckham all coming through the academy at the same time.
Is that not a large stroke of luck?
That's half a first team and they all happened to be top level internationals!

Incidentally, he left them in a right mess and they've never recovered.

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Man Utd fan I take it?
He was close to losing his job. That one result would have changed the course of history.
And yes, he was lucky. Giggs, Scholes, both Neville's and Beckham all coming through the academy at the same time.
Is that not a large stroke of luck?
That's half a first team and they all happened to be top level internationals!

Incidentally, he left them in a right mess and they've never recovered.

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That specific part of the equation is luck to some extent, but no manager United has had since looks like they could get a tune out of those players like Fergie did.

You also don't win the only treble in the history of English football, plus countless other trophies, simply by being lucky, or having 5 youth team players come through in one academy class.

I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or not- Fergie is one of, if not the greatest football manager of all time, there simply cannot be any question of that, regardless of who you support.

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That specific part of the equation is luck to some extent, but no manager United has had since looks like they could get a tune out of those players like Fergie did.

You also don't win the only treble in the history of English football, plus countless other trophies, simply by being lucky, or having 5 youth team players come through in one academy class.

I can't tell if you're being deliberately obtuse or not- Fergie is one of, if not the greatest football manager of all time, there simply cannot be any question of that, regardless of who you support.

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I'm not denying his achievements, simply pointing out that he WAS lucky with that crop coming through all together. I forgot Butt too who was also capped many times for England.
Let's not forget here, 4 of those players, Giggs, Scholes and Beckham, and G Neville, could have walked into almost any team in Europe.
That is a huge stroke of luck!

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That 89/90 season was one where United struggled, were close to the relegation zone for most of it and had shown another season of decline under Ferguson. Liverpool lost a classic FA cup semi to Palace. Villa, unlikely league runners up, lost at Oldham on the plastic pitch. All the big sides fell away, leaving the door open for an average United side to win the cup after a replay. Mark Robins was a scoring sensation at the end of the season and kept them up.

The following season saw what I thought was a defining moment. Arsenal, unbeaten at home all season, played United in a league cup game at Highbury. United were 3-0 up in no time but Arsenal pulled it back to 3-2. United were scintillating in attack and won 6-2. Arsenal won the league, losing only once all season. They conceded 18 at home in the league all season and were unbeaten, yet in that one game they were absolutely battered. If I remember correctly, United played quite a few youngsters in that game. 2 years later they won the league.

United won the first PL with 84 points. That was for a 42 game season, which equates to 78 points for a 38 game season. Only once has the PL champions in a 38 game season won less than 78 points, ironically United in 1997

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That’s a good summary Eric, but I’d add the Cup Winners Cup Final over Barcelona in 1991 when Mark Hughes scored twice as a big factor as well.

That League Cup game you mention stunned me at the time because things like that just did not happen to that Arsenal team - Manchester United’s pace ripped Arsenal apart - didn’t Lee Sharpe score a hat trick?

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I'm not denying his achievements, simply pointing out that he WAS lucky with that crop coming through all together. I forgot Butt too who was also capped many times for England.
Let's not forget here, 4 of those players, Giggs, Scholes and Beckham, and G Neville, could have walked into almost any team in Europe.
That is a huge stroke of luck!

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Ferguson was probably Manchester United manager when some of the Class of 92 became teenagers, so he would have had a good five or more to influence their development - it would be wrong to say he played no part in making them the players they were.

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Man Utd fan I take it?
He was close to losing his job. That one result would have changed the course of history.
And yes, he was lucky. Giggs, Scholes, both Neville's and Beckham all coming through the academy at the same time.
Is that not a large stroke of luck?
That's half a first team and they all happened to be top level internationals!

Incidentally, he left them in a right mess and they've never recovered.

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Yeah massive Man Utd fan, that's why I've got 8500 posts on a Cardiff City messageboard, what are you, 14? :hehe: