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It seems the bigger Clubs are getting bigger and the so-called smaller Clubs are just fodder. Two examples Liverpool 9-0 Bournemouth and now Dundee Utd 0-9 Celtic. Is it the right way to let those Clubs have a Super League and let the rest get on with a chance of being the best in the League they play in?
The game it seems is losing its appeal for the fan who isn’t a championship chaser.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Liverpool 9 Bournemouth 0 was a freak result. Such a scoreline has only been achieved four times in the history of the Premier League.
It’s football. These things happen from time to time in every league in the world.
Didn't Spurs batter Bristol Rovers 9 nil , probably late seventies ?
As to should the big boys piss off and form a super league yes , the sooner the better
What about Liverpool's other results this season?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Double post
You are probably right but I can see Man City handing out some right hammerings this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Maybe, but the last two sides to win 9-0 in the top flight were Man Utd under the great OGS and Leicester City.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
I don't understand why any Cardiff City supporter would think this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
That's the question you asked wasn't it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeningradCowboy
We have got no chance of ever being a top 6 big club , the best we can hope for is a second rate Premier league ......if that's what you are arguing for
The big clubs are only interested in money and status so yes , I hope they piss off and join big clubs from Germany, Spain etc
It's a logical process as far as I am concerned
The first 9-0 result in the Premier League was in 1995. Sometimes it just happens.
Until the football rules are changed and the finances of clubs are properly monitored there will never be a level playing field.
Football is basically bent the higher up the pyramid you go the more bent it is.
I've said the plastics should have a super duper league for years now. Let them play one another 4 times per season and let the rest of us get on with itQuote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Liverpool have won once in four games this season. Bournemouth got promoted and spent almost no money. Add to that, they're managed by Scott Parker. Superleague?
But the fact is there never has been a level playing field. The bigger clubs have always had significant and obvious advantages over the smaller clubs. It’s not a new development.Quote:
Originally Posted by insider
The question has always been whether or not they can use those advantages to build the best teams. Some do, some don’t. Same as it ever was.
The rest of us do get on with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
But with respect even you can surely see that the difference now is staggeringQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Please don't that Premier league apologist crap with me , you are an ex punk ff sake , Where's your bollocks !
On the money , if you will pardon the expressionQuote:
Originally Posted by insider
Well now you are supporting Cardiff City again that's great but the only people you are supporting by paying for live football is the fat cats at the topQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Radical !
FA to limit 3 non-british players per club. (not non-english - that would screw us!
Out of curiosity, who would be in this Superleague? And why would it make things better? Clubs not getting hammered 9-0 by Liverpool? Palace seem to be doing OK. I'd take a 9-0 hammering by Liverpool next week.
Why the need to mention the Premier League, it’s just the top flight division, always has been in whatever guise. Wolves shoved 9 on us in the 50s in the top flight, Preston did as well in the 60s albeit in the second division. Christ, Cambridge hit 7 against us at Ninian Park, we didn’t suggest they be fast tracked to Serie A:hehe:
I'm surprised no one has suggested this before 🙄Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
I think it would be better for all of us if you kept TLG's bollocks out of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Wigan beat Hull 8-0 in July 2020. I sincerely hope they are being considered for a place in the proposed Super League.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
2012/13 - Chelsea 8 Aston Villa 0
2013/14 - Man City 7 Norwich 0
2014/15 - Southampton 8 Sunderland 0
2016/17 - Hull 1 Spurs 7
2019/20 - Southampton 0 Leicester 9
2020/21 - Man Utd 9 Southampton 0
2021/22 - Chelsea 7 Norwich 0
2022/23 - Liverpool 9 Bournemouth 0
Looks like the Super League is going to be a crowded affair.
Fraserburgh won 9-0 at Strathspey Thistle last weekend in the Highland League. Can I nominate them for the Super League?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Yes but even second rate Premier League teams have to play the ‘big clubs’. Isn't that what it is all about ? Whats the point otherwise. Might as well scrap the whole league system. How would the so called ‘second rate’ Premier teams ever improve if they didn't play better teams. Theres nothing logical about your point at all. It is just the politics of envy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
As Bournemouth were on the end of spanking yesterday, I'd also like to nominate them. They won 8-0 at Birmingham City in 2014. Should be good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I agree with dml1954 entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
This is a very special moment for me.
Big wins aside, the PL itself is becoming more and more detached financially from the Championship. Nottingham Forest go up via the play offs and spend £120 million and still rising. They know that in 2022/3 if the get relegated it's odds on they'll return at 1st attempt if they keep the same squad. We're getting to the stage where there are 22 PL clubs and one 'floater' via the play offs..
We're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Get on with what ? Aspire to achieve nothing and just accept mediocrity ? Great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68
You are missing the whole point. If Forest can do this, so can any other team in the league, including us. What are clubs like Brentford doing in there. How the hell did Burnley, Bournemouth, Swansea and others stay there so long. Its called aspiration and ambition. Without that the whole league system is dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Man City, Leeds, Leicester etc third division sides not so long ago.
Me too!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I hated the clubs and idea of a SL when they were going that way. So did most (if not all) of their supporters (I'm talking ST holders and the like here). I remember the discussions on here at the time.
I'm still p*ssed off at them not being 'punished' and that we didn't get the shake up the FA promised (no surprise) but life's too short to hate on other clubs and anyway, what would be the point of it all if they split off? The same thing will happen with the next set up, and so on and so on.
I'd truly be done with the football if these clubs left. I remember thinking that they should b*gger off and then changed my mind when I thought it through.
I'm no fan of the PL and the money people but at the end of the day, it's still always just 22 players and a ball on a park.
I used to get worked up about this stuff but now I just enjoy the football.
Exactly. I'm loving Forest being there this season. I love seeing Brentford against the big clubs. Brighton are there. Wolves and us went up the same year. I'm glad they're still there. Leeds. Fulham. There's no feeling as good as promotion up the divisions and ultimately to the PL imo. I bet the new Wrexham owners even dream about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
It's getting harder - ie, you need to spend more and more when you go up. The PL is getting richer and richer. It's also beginning to dwarf the Spanish and Italian leagues - even the Budesliga in terms of what they are prepared to pay in transfer fees and wages. It's marketing and endorsement potential is outstripping everyone else. The paradox is PL clubs are mostly hundreds of millions in debt. The "well-managed" Brighton are £350million in debt ! But they have rich benefactors and the debt isn't usually on the clubs, but providing the cash rolls in, you spend mega sums on wages and/or fees, you can keep your membership. Each year the gap gets bigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
How do you explain Brentford’s situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
I am not sure that the supporters of those clubs that attend on a regular basis (i.e. season ticket holders, etc) would appreciate playing in a super league, as they have already expressed when the idea was leaked out before.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I don’t think its right that we should lump the ordinary fans of clubs in with this sort of nonsense. Invariably it it the ‘foreign’ owners of these clubs that run roughshod over the history that has taken decades for clubs to build up domestically. Or owners of certain clubs that keep on ignoring any idea of sustainability when running up massive debts in order to maintain the idea that they are deserving of something special in the European elite. Again, ignoring the fact that if it wasn’t for the ‘lesser clubs’, they would not be at the pinnacle.
These type of owners only see the massive World tv rights on offer, where armchair fans are prepared to pay per view as if it is a pre-season game played in the far east, and just ignore the fact that playing ‘lesser clubs’ is part of the history that made the clubs what they are, just so the owners can line their own pockets.
I would be willing to bet that once the tv audience get bored of seeing the same teams repeatedly playing each other, with no excitement or thrill of promotion/relegation, and the tv money dries up, the owners will want to come back, with some BS excuse such as that the ‘lesser teams deserve to play us’.
My point is… were we happy when we went to Red? I don’t think so, yet fans of other clubs were quick to point out that it was us fans that ‘sold out’, not the owners.