The Pipelines - Whodunnit?

I can't imagine any small nation having the ability to target pipelines in the middle of an ocean. That's not to say that it's impossible of course, but it's probably unlikely.
With that said, there are 3 obvious candidates.
The Russians themselves, in order to justify a pre-planned nuke attack on Ukraine.
The Chinese, purely because they'd love to cause shit between Russia and the west, get involved, and win a war.
Or Biden, who clearly isn't a man for turning, and would love to destroy the Kremlin.

Whodunnit?

Israel is a country almost as small as Wales and certainly has the capability.

It is so special and powerful that it's bristling with nuclear weapons but no other country seems to care that their arsenal isn't subject to inspections. Indeed, they pretend to be unaware that they possess hundreds of them.

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Originally Posted by Ninja

I can't imagine any small nation having the ability to target pipelines in the middle of an ocean. That's not to say that it's impossible of course, but it's probably unlikely.
With that said, there are 3 obvious candidates.
The Russians themselves, in order to justify a pre-planned nuke attack on Ukraine.
The Chinese, purely because they'd love to cause shit between Russia and the west, get involved, and win a war.
Or Biden, who clearly isn't a man for turning, and would love to destroy the Kremlin.

Whodunnit?

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Can't see what Russia gains from it, so with that and that video from Biden it was probably some naughty little Navy SEALS

The Yanks military budget is only $800Bn a year. Not sure they’ve got the cash for such an operation.

It's an interesting one. Behind the scenes, the two major players will know who is responsible (and I think we can discount the OP's suggestion of China as they have a lot of interest in the war in Ukraine ending as they benefit hugely if the global economy can recover).

Two factors that would seem to count against the US being responsible are:

1. Carrying out such activity within the EEZ's of two other sovereign states (i.e. Sweden and Denmark) and possibly without permission.

2. The risk of retaliatory of action against the network of submarine cables and pipelines across the globe and which we all rely on. A war on those connecions would end in absolute chaos, as would the jamming of GPS systems.

Taking the conflict outside the Ukraine could unleash untold and unpredictable consequences.

By the way, such attacks were unlikely to have been carried out by submarines as they cannot easily pass through those waters without detection (due to the depth of the water in some parts and submarine hydrophones placed on the sea bed by both parties in other parts). These days, such attacks can be carried out remotely. In the case of self-sabotage, the pipelines could have been damaged via internal access too.

The jury is still out and we may never know the real answer.

For all of the possible suspects (mainly Russia or the USA - but maybe rogue state elements or client states) the negatives of this act seem to outweigh the positives.

The gas that has bubbled out of the Baltic is Russian owned. The pipes were not moving any gas (Nordstream 2 never did; Nordstream 1 shut down by the Russians a month ago to put economic counter pressure on Germany and the EU). The sabotage may make the pipes unusable in the future (salt water damage) and so prevent future Russian gas sales to Europe. There is no short term or medium term economic or political benefit to anyone - but as a warning to someone (!) and an escalation of the conflict it could be huge.

If the Russians blew the pipes they are becoming even more irrational and self harming.

If the USA (or Israel or some other state or agency working for them) did it, that is even more worrying and sinister.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

2. The risk of retaliatory of action against the network of submarine cables and pipelines across the globe and which we all rely on. A war on those connections would end in absolute chaos, as would the jamming of GPS systems.

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But (Big B) it would fit in with the great reset/build back better narrative.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

For all of the possible suspects (mainly Russia or the USA - but maybe rogue state elements or client states) the negatives of this act seem to outweigh the positives.

The gas that has bubbled out of the Baltic is Russian owned. The pipes were not moving any gas (Nordstream 2 never did; Nordstream 1 shut down by the Russians a month ago to put economic counter pressure on Germany and the EU). The sabotage may make the pipes unusable in the future (salt water damage) and so prevent future Russian gas sales to Europe. There is no short term or medium term economic or political benefit to anyone - but as a warning to someone (!) and an escalation of the conflict it could be huge.

If the Russians blew the pipes they are becoming even more irrational and self harming.

If the USA (or Israel or some other state or agency working for them) did it, that is even more worrying and sinister.

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If a rogue state was involved I imagine that the Americans and Russians are in discussion about it behind the scenes.
On the other hand, the event took place in the same week as the fake elections in the areas of Ukraine occupied by Russia and soon after the announcement of partial mobilisation, internal criticism of Putin increasing, would-be conscripts fleeing the country, his hints of using nuclear weapons and when the invasion is seemingly coming to relative standstill before winter sets in. Yes, the Americans can be reckless and idiotic but it would be sheer folly to escalate matters outside the Ukraine. On the other hand, Putin is in a very tight corner and it's an all-or-nothing game for him now after clearly failing in his attempt to annex the whole of Ukraine. It's a desperate situation for him all round and before new and ill-trained conscripts, released criminals and a hotch-potch of mercenaries join another wave of cannon fodder as the West ramps up the quality of armaments and intelligence supplied to Ukraine.

By the way, and I'm not suggesting North Korea was involved in any way, I highly recommend the following podcast about what is state-controlled criminality across the board by the country. It involves internet blackmail aimed at Hollywood studios, western targets including hospitals, money laundering, drugs and a lot else. It's fascinating.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/w13xtvg9

Not a clue
Biden threatened to shut it down once putin rolled his tanks into UKers FACT
Victoria Nuland threatnened to get it shut down FACT
but the good old BBC has gone with saint Zelenski and his assertion that it was VLAD
Trump who can die a slow death as a vaccine pusher didn't seem to have half the problems of uncle Joe
other then the internal problems
and the kicker!!!
A new pipeline basically Nato controlled just happened to come online just as the explosions were being recorded
who'd be conspiratorial with this ?

Who needs it shut down the most should be the starting point for a deep dive.

November midterms :sherlock:

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Not a clue
Biden threatened to shut it down once putin rolled his tanks into UKers FACT
Victoria Nuland threatnened to get it shut down FACT
but the good old BBC has gone with saint Zelenski and his assertion that it was VLAD
Trump who can die a slow death as a vaccine pusher didn't seem to have half the problems of uncle Joe
other then the internal problems
and the kicker!!!
A new pipeline basically Nato controlled just happened to come online just as the explosions were being recorded
who'd be conspiratorial with this ?

Who needs it shut down the most should be the starting point for a deep dive.

November midterms :sherlock:

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Wear and tear?

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

Wear and tear?

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Sounds like a punk rock t-shirt.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

It's an interesting one. Behind the scenes, the two major players will know who is responsible (and I think we can discount the OP's suggestion of China as they have a lot of interest in the war in Ukraine ending as they benefit hugely if the global economy can recover).

Two factors that would seem to count against the US being responsible are:

1. Carrying out such activity within the EEZ's of two other sovereign states (i.e. Sweden and Denmark) and possibly without permission.

2. The risk of retaliatory of action against the network of submarine cables and pipelines across the globe and which we all rely on. A war on those connecions would end in absolute chaos, as would the jamming of GPS systems.

Taking the conflict outside the Ukraine could unleash untold and unpredictable consequences.

By the way, such attacks were unlikely to have been carried out by submarines as they cannot easily pass through those waters without detection (due to the depth of the water in some parts and submarine hydrophones placed on the sea bed by both parties in other parts). These days, such attacks can be carried out remotely. In the case of self-sabotage, the pipelines could have been damaged via internal access too.

The jury is still out and we may never know the real answer.

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Funny that you think America cares what Denmark and Sweden think when persueing their goals.

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Funny that you think America cares what Denmark and Sweden think when persueing their goals.

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Weren't they trying to get Sweden into NATO?

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Funny that you think America cares what Denmark and Sweden think when persueing their goals.

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Funny that you seem to be an old poster in a new skin.

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Weren't they trying to get Sweden into NATO?

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The other way around more likely

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Funny that you seem to be an old poster in a new skin.

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Nah, I just think America care very little for fair play or the sensibilities of small nordic countries

Probably not the Russians - they'd mess the whole thing up. I'd guess a 3rd party 'proxy' agency working for the U.S.

According to Putin speech a few moments ago "Anglo-Saxons" blew up the Nord Stream pipelines.

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According to Putin speech a few moments ago "Anglo-Saxons" blew up the Nord Stream pipelines.

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I think it was probably the Vandals.

From what I've read any number of countries with sophisticated underwater drones could be responsible.

There could be no end to this. Taking out the Langeled gas pipeline from Norway to UK would cause a stir. Cutting enough undersea internet cables would equal pandemonium in a hurry.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

From what I've read any number of countries with sophisticated underwater drones could be responsible.

There could be no end to this. Taking out the Langeled gas pipeline from Norway to UK would cause a stir. Cutting enough undersea internet cables would equal pandemonium in a hurry.

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Indeed. I stated as much in an earlier post and not just regarding internet cables. Power lines, communication cables and pipelines of all description are all vulnerable to attack - hence my comment that it would be absolute madness for any party to risk retaliatory action.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

From what I've read any number of countries with sophisticated underwater drones could be responsible.

There could be no end to this. Taking out the Langeled gas pipeline from Norway to UK would cause a stir. Cutting enough undersea internet cables would equal pandemonium in a hurry.

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Isn't pandemonium required for what comes next?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Isn't pandemonium required for what comes next?

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Aye, Ordo ab Chao. Order out of chaos.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Indeed. I stated as much in an earlier post and not just regarding internet cables. Power lines, communication cables and pipelines of all description are all vulnerable to attack - hence my comment that it would be absolute madness for any party to risk retaliatory action.

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Absolute madness unless they are all in on it, and it's part of the plan.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Aye, Ordo ab Chao. Order out of chaos.

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How's your timeline going? Mine hasn't skipped a beat so far.

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How's your timeline going? Mine hasn't skipped a beat so far.

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Care to share said timeline?

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Absolute madness unless they are all in on it, and it's part of the plan.

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You are so incredibly tiresome.

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You are so incredibly tiresome.

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It does seem to be pretty much every thread doesn't it.

Organ Morgan - "Dramatic event occurs somewhere"

Wales-Bales - "The Great Reset??"

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It does seem to be pretty much every thread doesn't it.

Organ Morgan - "Dramatic event occurs somewhere"

Wales-Bales - "The Great Reset??"

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As with lots of conspiracies there are a few of us who can’t be bothered to read the rubbish so I don’t have a great deal of knowledge about what the great reset is. Other than the fact that on this board there are loads of what could be interesting debates turned into 10+ pagers of nonsense

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It does seem to be pretty much every thread doesn't it.

Organ Morgan - "Dramatic event occurs somewhere"

Wales-Bales - "The Great Reset??"

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That's it in a nutshell, like I said it's not that they are clever, people are just dumb. How many more events do you need before you change your mind?

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You are so incredibly tiresome.

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Some imagination is required. I realise welly-wearing while milking your cow in deepest Somerset isn't conducive to improving one's deductive skills.

The Yanks and Russkies spent 40+ years sabre rattling during the so-called Cold War, but despite that more bullets fly between Los Angeles gangs every day of the year than ever flew between their mammoth armed services. It was, and is, good for business. I suspect those two are at number 1 and 2 in the world's league of arms manufacturers.

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As with lots of conspiracies there are a few of us who can’t be bothered to read the rubbish so I don’t have a great deal of knowledge about what the great reset is. Other than the fact that on this board there are loads of what could be interesting debates turned into 10+ pagers of nonsense

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There's none so blind as those who will not see.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Some imagination is required. I realise welly-wearing while milking your cow in deepest Somerset isn't conducive to improving one's deductive skills.

The Yanks and Russkies spent 40+ years sabre rattling during the so-called Cold War, but despite that more bullets fly between Los Angeles gangs every day of the year than ever flew between their mammoth armed services. It was, and is, good for business. I suspect those two are at number 1 and 2 in the world's league of arms manufacturers.

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How are the black-eyed zombies this morning, Organ Maudling?

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How are the black-eyed zombies this morning, Organ Maudling?

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All mucking around aside, I'm far more preoccupied with how to shelter from raging inflation, perhaps hyperinflation, than from radiation fallout because I think the latter is infinitely more likely than the former.

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That's it in a nutshell, like I said it's not that they are clever, people are just dumb. How many more events do you need before you change your mind?

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Change my mind to what? From what I've seen the Great Reset is a bunch of vague unconnected prophecies. Sometimes it's the abolition of cash. Sometimes it's the installation of a global government. It can be the end of meat eating or the destruction of workers rights. I've seen it claimed the NWO want to end religion whilst others claim the NWO want the world to follow Christ. Tomorrow it'll probably be eugenics.

Signs of the Great Reset coming is apparently falsifying Climate change, the invasion of Ukraine and making Liz Truss Prime Minister. What events have transpired in aid of the great plan? Covid, lockdown, Brexit, 9/11, NFTs? All of them, some of them or none of them?

You apparently have a pinpoint timeline of events leading up to the Great Reset. I'd love to see it.

If you can lay down exact dates, exact events and the final end goal (that isn't a bunch of vague half answers) I'd be more inclined to consider any of your posts as having substance. So far I've not see that. Your argument for Climate Change not being real is "rich people are buying mansions by the sea". We covered Climate Change in Year 8 or 9 Geography that covered how daft that reasoning is.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

All mucking around aside, I'm far more preoccupied with how to shelter from raging inflation, perhaps hyperinflation, than from radiation fallout because I think the latter is infinitely more likely than the former.

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It's a lost cause mate, these people have absolutely no idea about what's coming next, so it's best to leave them to their own devices.

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Change my mind to what? From what I've seen the Great Reset is a bunch of vague unconnected prophecies. Sometimes it's the abolition of cash. Sometimes it's the installation of a global government. It can be the end of meat eating or the destruction of workers rights. I've seen it claimed the NWO want to end religion whilst others claim the NWO want the world to follow Christ. Tomorrow it'll probably be eugenics.

Signs of the Great Reset coming is apparently falsifying Climate change, the invasion of Ukraine and making Liz Truss Prime Minister. What events have transpired in aid of the great plan? Covid, lockdown, Brexit, 9/11, NFTs? All of them, some of them or none of them?

You apparently have a pinpoint timeline of events leading up to the Great Reset. I'd love to see it.

If you can lay down exact dates, exact events and the final end goal (that isn't a bunch of vague half answers) I'd be more inclined to consider any of your posts as having substance. So far I've not see that. Your argument for Climate Change not being real is "rich people are buying mansions by the sea". We covered Climate Change in Year 8 or 9 Geography that covered how daft that reasoning is.

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It's a salami-slicing process. One of the main goals is the abolition of cash. Biden signed an EO earlier this year paving the way for a US CBDC. The Indian government are first off the blocks.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JUST IN - India seeks a &quot;phased implementation&quot; of the &quot;Digital Rupee,&quot; a Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC), during this fiscal year — deputy central bank chief. <a href="https://t.co/M7hrPGIAQj">pic.twitter.com/M7hrPGIAQj</a></p>&mdash; Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) <a href="https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1572187510826209281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

All mucking around aside, I'm far more preoccupied with how to shelter from raging inflation, perhaps hyperinflation, than from radiation fallout because I think the latter is infinitely more likely than the former.

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It's certainly a great time for British pessimists - and optimism is in short supply for most of us, Truss and Kwarteng excluded.

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so it's best to leave them to their own devices.

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That would be great, thank you. We look forward to you never mentioning the great reset again