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The growing crisis facing Cardiff's rental market with landlords selling up and 100 people fighting for every property
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...ental-25070441
Landlords, letting agents and student groups have hit out at the growing crisis facing Cardiff's rental market with properties being sold off and more than 100 people fighting to secure every home listed.
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Buy-to-let landlords are parasites. My heart bleeds for them.
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There will be loads of issues coming together here, but I am not surprised some ill thought out Welsh Govt law is behind it at all.
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I'd be more concerned about the lack of social housing available to locals, and the fact that immigrants are being housed in hotels with their own chefs, whilst locals from the area are being forced to sleep on the floor of the huggard centre.
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LeningradCowboy
Buy-to-let landlords are parasites. My heart bleeds for them.
If there were no landlords the housing crisis would be a lot worse.
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Alfresco
If there were no landlords the housing crisis would be a lot worse.
If the landlord took the house with them when they left then yes it would.
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Re: The growing crisis facing Cardiff's rental market with landlords selling up and 100 people fighting for every property
You can whistle all you like
This all boils down to conservative housing policy from Thatcher onwards and now everything is going tits up
The right to buy robbed local authorities of loads of properties
They were never replaced by successive governments
Buy to let was encouraged and made plenty of people a lot of money
Combined with this was the slashing of security in the rented sector with people previously able to live for many years renting the same property whilst enjoying the protection of a fair rent
Now it's all market rents .....which means money ! ......and sometimes only 6 months in a flat before you are given notice
No wonder this has become the area where people are dumped and rely on as a last resort
I hope if Truss and her mob of snake oil salesmen are given the boot that starmer bit by bit sorts out housing policy in this country
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Originally Posted by
Alfresco
If there were no landlords the housing crisis would be a lot worse.
If we hadn't sold millions of feckin council houses there wouldn't have been the need for so many landlords .....who are there to make money ....in the first place
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
There will be loads of issues coming together here, but I am not surprised some ill thought out Welsh Govt law is behind it at all.
Lack of affordable housing thanks to selling off council homes , failure to replace them and the promotion of buy to let are the main causes of this crisis
It's been on the cards for years
Thatcher onwards basically
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Ninja
I'd be more concerned about the lack of social housing available to locals, and the fact that immigrants are being housed in hotels with their own chefs, whilst locals from the area are being forced to sleep on the floor of the huggard centre.
Got a link ?
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
If we hadn't sold millions of feckin council houses there wouldn't have been the need for so many landlords .....who are there to make money ....in the first place
Many landlords turn run down properties into habital housing which would otherwise be left derelict. Surely that has to be a positive thing.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Got a link ?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wal...n-24947175.amp
That's the latest I've seen.
The Copthorne at Culverhouse Cross has been officially closed since last year. They fired all their kitchen staff to make way for foreign chefs that can accommodate a foreign menu.
Not bullshit either, I saw a few people at the time on twitter complaining that they knew of people that had been fired.
Fecking disgusting stuff.
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Originally Posted by
Ninja
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wal...n-24947175.amp
That's the latest I've seen.
The Copthorne at Culverhouse Cross has been officially closed since last year. They fired all their kitchen staff to make way for foreign chefs that can accommodate a foreign menu.
Not bullshit either, I saw a few people at the time on twitter complaining that they knew of people that had been fired.
Fecking disgusting stuff.
Another hotel in Cardiff is being used to accommodate 'the unprecedented amount of asylum seekers', the staff have been given a few days notice.
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Originally Posted by
Alfresco
Many landlords turn run down properties into habital housing which would otherwise be left derelict. Surely that has to be a positive thing.
How many is many ?
Social housing should be provided by the state , there are some good landlords out there , one posts on here but let's not kid ourselves that the reason why people buy houses and flats is to make money
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Originally Posted by
Ninja
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wal...n-24947175.amp
That's the latest I've seen.
The Copthorne at Culverhouse Cross has been officially closed since last year. They fired all their kitchen staff to make way for foreign chefs that can accommodate a foreign menu.
Not bullshit either, I saw a few people at the time on twitter complaining that they knew of people that had been fired.
Fecking disgusting stuff.
That's an invalid link
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Alfresco
Invalid link
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
That's an invalid link
Eh?
It works perfectly sludge. If not for you then Google "Wales online immigrant hotel", that will bring the link up.
By the way, the hotel in the article is NOT the Copthorne. The Copthorne has been closed because of immigrants for a long time.
This one is more recent. They won't name it, but it's the 3rd I've heard of.
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Alfresco
Another hotel in Cardiff is being used to accommodate 'the unprecedented amount of asylum seekers', the staff have been given a few days notice.
Cardiff is a home office refugee and asylum seekers centre
Now wether it should be or people have objections to that is a different matter
Cardiff Council will have statutory duties to provide advice , assistance and in some cases temporary accommodation
If they are taking illegal measures to do this then that's one for the authorities to investigate
As for the increase in demand for accommodation and services then that's going to reflect the situation across the country
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Originally Posted by
Ninja
Eh?
It works perfectly sludge. If not for you then Google "Wales online immigrant hotel", that will bring the link up.
By the way, the hotel in the article is NOT the Copthorne. The Copthorne has been closed because of immigrants for a long time.
This one is more recent. They won't name it, but it's the 3rd I've heard of.
Not for me it doesn't, its an invalid link
I will Google what you have said
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Originally Posted by
Ninja
Eh?
It works perfectly sludge. If not for you then Google "Wales online immigrant hotel", that will bring the link up.
By the way, the hotel in the article is NOT the Copthorne. The Copthorne has been closed because of immigrants for a long time.
This one is more recent. They won't name it, but it's the 3rd I've heard of.
I have googled what you said and it appears to be referring to a hotel in tongwynlais and local residents being extremely pissed off by leaflets being distributed by a far right group
If people have been sacked from their jobs in order to bring in new staff to cook food for new arrivals that's something for the employment courts because chefs can easily cook for people with religious or ethnic needs
I don't have any issue with these people being cooked food suitable for their culture though
Some of the comments on that Wales online make me ashamed to be Welsh, they are better off living in 1930s nazi Germany
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Tongwynlais is a separate one I believe, before this latest one, which they've refused to name. This one is the third I'm aware of and is not the Copthorne which was taken over some time ago.
Bear in mind, local people have to fight for "floor space" at the Huggard Centre. They are made to sleep there for months, among junkies and alcoholics who regularly cause problems, or lose their chance of a room in a shitty hostel some time in the future. Would you consider this acceptable?
It's not a right-wing thing Sludge, so there's no need to lean so far left on this.
It's simply a disgraceful situation introduced and endorsed by a Tory government.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
There will be loads of issues coming together here, but I am not surprised some ill thought out Welsh Govt law is behind it at all.
Yep they have driven a load of landlords out and now there is a shortage of rooms. Had a room in a house I have become available last week, reckon I had 50 enquires that day….as I was responding they just kept coming. Some offering me way more than what I was.
Well done the WAG….Just what the hell they are trying to do who knows
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SLUDGE FACTORY
If we hadn't sold millions of feckin council houses there wouldn't have been the need for so many landlords .....who are there to make money ....in the first place
Yep cardiff council sold many off
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Got a link ?
The old cardiff bay hotel on schooner way is full of Afghans I know that much, some hate it so much they want to go home
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Ninja
Tongwynlais is a separate one I believe, before this latest one, which they've refused to name. This one is the third I'm aware of and is not the Copthorne which was taken over some time ago.
Bear in mind, local people have to fight for "floor space" at the Huggard Centre. They are made to sleep there for months, among junkies and alcoholics who regularly cause problems, or lose their chance of a room in a shitty hostel some time in the future. Would you consider this acceptable?
It's not a right-wing thing Sludge, so there's no need to lean so far left on this.
It's simply a disgraceful situation introduced and endorsed by a Tory government.
I worked in homeless provision in Cardiff. People with housing problems are rarely homeless without any other problems
Drug , alcohol abuse , mental health problems generally go hand in hand
It's far from perfect that people who find themselves homeless are forced to put up with violence and abuse and alcohol and drug taking and intimidation .......but its part of the package unfortunately, its all very complex and I don't know anyone who would think it's a satisfactory situation
This thing certainly is a political issue , the comments on that Wales online are appalling . Give them a read and tell me its not right wing ?
White Patriot groups sticking leaflets through letterboxes trying to whip up hatred ?
Read the report you asked me to Google and tell me if you think comments made are not offensive and racist ?
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Originally Posted by
goats
Yep cardiff council sold many off
They had no choice
Maggie Thatcher gave people the legal right to buy council houses
The council didn't actively sell them
The people in these houses made a decision to buy their house .......and the council had to sell it to them
No choice
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
This thing certainly is a political issue , the comments on that Wales online are appalling . Give them a read and tell me its not right wing ?
White Patriot groups sticking leaflets through letterboxes trying to whip up hatred ?
Read the report you asked me to Google and tell me if you think comments made are not offensive and racist ?
Sludge, as I pointed out earlier, the article I was referring to wasn't the Tongwynlais one that you've since referred to.
I can't say I've read the comments on any of them. There are clearly many brain-dead cavemen that respond to Wales Online articles, you know that as well as I do.
The comments have nothing to do with the point being made, which is a simple one.
Our own people are being treated like shit, while immigrants are living in plush hotels and are treated like royalty by comparison. I won't ask you again if you agree whether that is right, because you'd clearly prefer to bat it off towards the politicians.
I'm quite prepared to say that I not only think it's disgusting, but utterly unacceptable.
But there we go, the Tories like ticking boxes whilst destroying what's left of "great" Britain, as we both know.
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Alfresco
If there were no landlords the housing crisis would be a lot worse.
Ahahhahahaha
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Ninja
Sludge, as I pointed out earlier, the article I was referring to wasn't the Tongwynlais one that you've since referred to.
I can't say I've read the comments on any of them. There are clearly many brain-dead cavemen that respond to Wales Online articles, you know that as well as I do.
The comments have nothing to do with the point being made, which is a simple one.
Our own people are being treated like shit, while immigrants are living in plush hotels and are treated like royalty by comparison. I won't ask you again if you agree whether that is right, because you'd clearly prefer to bat it off towards the politicians.
I'm quite prepared to say that I not only think it's disgusting, but utterly unacceptable.
But there we go, the Tories like ticking boxes whilst destroying what's left of "great" Britain, as we both know.
You are using very odd language like .....our own people ......I really can't be engaging with you on this matter I am afraid
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You are using very odd language like .....our own people ......I really can't be engaging with you on this matter I am afraid
Here we fecking go.... OTT much Sludge?
Our own people is in relation to the people who worked their balls off to build what we have. Don't try and turn it into a racial thing like you have with others.
I'm not right-wing or racist.
If you wish to defend such policies, then you are no better than the scum Tories that you claim to hate.
I don't care whether you wish to engage or not Sludge quite frankly. I made a comment, you hopped on it asking for links. I stand by what I've said and the fact that it has nothing whatsoever to do with race hate or right wing extremism.
You can think whatever you like though, of course.
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Ninja
Here we fecking go.... OTT much Sludge?
Our own people is in relation to the people who worked their balls off to build what we have. Don't try and turn it into a racial thing like you have with others.
I'm not right-wing or racist.
If you wish to defend such policies, then you are no better than the scum Tories that you claim to hate.
I don't care whether you wish to engage or not Sludge quite frankly. I made a comment, you hopped on it asking for links. I stand by what I've said and the fact that it has nothing whatsoever to do with race hate or right wing extremism.
You can think whatever you like though, of course.
It’s a sad state of affairs that politics of recent years has more and more local people on the huggard centre floor, with the only criticism being that refugees are being treated better.
Are we saying the refugees should be there instead? Because that’s certainly what the right wing media of the uk want you to think.
Surely we should be saying that none of them should be. It’s a disgrace in 2022 that anyone is
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Ninja
Here we fecking go.... OTT much Sludge?
Our own people is in relation to the people who worked their balls off to build what we have. Don't try and turn it into a racial thing like you have with others.
I'm not right-wing or racist.
If you wish to defend such policies, then you are no better than the scum Tories that you claim to hate.
I don't care whether you wish to engage or not Sludge quite frankly. I made a comment, you hopped on it asking for links. I stand by what I've said and the fact that it has nothing whatsoever to do with race hate or right wing extremism.
You can think whatever you like though, of course.
Well you are the one talking about OUR people which wether you like it or not is the language the right wing use ......us and them
Another one is why are we helping these migrants when we have ex soldiers sleeping on the streets?
Look after our own etc etc
As for defending these policies I have no idea what your talking about , if the local council is breaking the law .....string em up
You told me what to Google after the link failed . That's what I did and I read a story about housing migrants . The comments on the article were right wing .
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well you are the one talking about OUR people which wether you like it or not is the language the right wing use ......us and them
Another one is why are we helping these migrants when we have ex soldiers sleeping on the streets?
Look after our own etc etc
As for defending these policies I have no idea what your talking about , if the local council is breaking the law .....string em up
You told me what to Google after the link failed . That's what I did and I read a story about housing migrants . The comments on the article were right wing .
Your compass has swung so far left in recent years that you're running around in circles.
Nothing I said is right wing.
I do not have a "us and them" mentality, I have simply made the point that OUR own family members and friends are suffering whilst foreign immigrants are being treated like royalty by comparison.
Stop deliberately picking apart people's posts and looking for anything even slightly un-PC Sludge, which is exactly what you've done here.
I've certainly never had you down in the past as an extreme lefty, normally think you're better than that, but I suspect maybe your compass needs a slight repair!
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Ninja
Your compass has swung so far left in recent years that you're running around in circles.
Nothing I said is right wing.
I do not have a "us and them" mentality, I have simply made the point that OUR own family members and friends are suffering whilst foreign immigrants are being treated like royalty by comparison.
Stop deliberately picking apart people's posts and looking for anything even slightly un-PC Sludge, which is exactly what you've done here.
I've certainly never had you down in the past as an extreme lefty, normally think you're better than that, but I suspect maybe your compass needs a slight repair!
I am sorry but this isn't making sense
The thread was about landlords and people renting off them in Cardiff
It was nothing to do with the emergency accommodation provided for refugees, asylum seekers and others or services for them such as catering to their cultural needs
You brought this up and have linked the problem with emergency housing in Cardiff for ....our own people , your words .......and the treatment of refugees
It's completely separate
I am no supporter of crappy housing provision for the homeless of Cardiff of whatever background . You are the person who has a dodgy compass , you are linking two different things and coming up with a right pea soup .
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I am sorry but this isn't making sense
The thread was about landlords and people renting off them in Cardiff
It was nothing to do with the emergency accommodation provided for refugees, asylum seekers and others or services for them such as catering to their cultural needs
You brought this up and have linked the problem with emergency housing in Cardiff for ....our own people , your words .......and the treatment of refugees
It's completely separate
I am no supporter of crappy housing provision for the homeless of Cardiff of whatever background . You are the person who has a dodgy compass , you are linking two different things and coming up with a right pea soup .
I said I consider it a far greater concern.
It's on the same damn topic, housing.
Now stop attacking people for simply using terms like "our own", you left-wing fruitcake :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
Alfresco
Many landlords turn run down properties into habital housing which would otherwise be left derelict. Surely that has to be a positive thing.
That could be normal buyers doing that but many can't because buy to let and lack of social housing puts prices up massively.
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Originally Posted by
goats
Yep cardiff council sold many off
Right to buy ended in 2019.
Cardiff Council would have sold their remaining properties long before this date as a stock transfer to a HA’s in order to remain as social housing.
Cardiff Council as well as HA’s are developing new social housing, but pressures on the construction industry ( not helped yet again by Covid, with people being offsite and people undertaking their own home improvements) therefore significant material uplifts will have caused significant delays to the process.
In 2020/21 there were 3,604 new social rented homes developed (84% developed by social landlords), which is significantly lower than forecasted.
The current demise of the private landlord is also due to the new renting homes act in Wales due to be implemented December 22 (originally July 22), one of the key aspects is the fit for human habitation whereby a tenant has the right to withhold their rent payments if the property is not fit for human habitation. This act is causing many of the private landlords to sell their properties and reducing the rental markets.
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Why is everything a crisis these days :hehe:
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TWGL1
Right to buy ended in 2019.
Cardiff Council would have sold their remaining properties long before this date as a stock transfer to a HA’s in order to remain as social housing.
Cardiff Council as well as HA’s are developing new social housing, but pressures on the construction industry ( not helped yet again by Covid, with people being offsite and people undertaking their own home improvements) therefore significant material uplifts will have caused significant delays to the process.
In 2020/21 there were 3,604 new social rented homes developed (84% developed by social landlords), which is significantly lower than forecasted.
The current demise of the private landlord is also due to the new renting homes act in Wales due to be implemented December 22 (originally July 22), one of the key aspects is the fit for human habitation whereby a tenant has the right to withhold their rent payments if the property is not fit for human habitation. This act is causing many of the private landlords to sell their properties and reducing the rental markets.
https://statswales.gov.wales/Catalog...thority-tenure
Cardiff Council sold all its remaining homes before the end of Welsh Right To Buy in 2019? That didn't sound right to me and the table above show they still own and manage just under 13,500 (which is more than the combined Registered Social Landlord - mainly Housing Association - stock in the city).
The number of private rented homes in Cardiff has dropped very slightly in the past few years - unlike the position in England where it has continued to rise as a tenure in absolute numbers and as a percentage of the whole housing stock.
You make it sound as if legally withholding rent on a property that 'is not fit for human habitation' is a bad thing, and driving landlords to sales who would otherwise be maintaining a bigger rental market. Bad private landlords, some of the bigger ones leaching on former Council homes, are a major part of the housing supply and affordability problem in the UK.