Are you in the “anti growth coalition”?

I see Truss has identified a new adversary in the Tories never ending culture wars against the “woke”. Do you qualify?https://youtu.be/8nxo0fS2VMM

If thinking, if you give money to a poor person and money to a rich person, that the poor person is more likely to put it straight back into society, means that I'm a member then yes I am.

I believe in a fair society that protects the vulnerable, encourages business, prioritises education and the nhs, where freedom of speech and freedom of movement are allowed.

I am a card carrying member of the anti growth coalition.

I'm in, where do I sign up?!

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Originally Posted by Claude Blue

I'm in, where do I sign up?!

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You just need to be outwardly critical
Of any member of government and your tufty badge will come in the post
*while stocks last

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

You just need to be outwardly critical
Of any member of government and your tufty badge will come in the post
*while stocks last

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Excellent. I'll put it with my original one.

Well I wonder how this thread will go? Certainly not in the same direction as the numerous others with the same half dozen or so people saying the same thing?!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Well I wonder how this thread will go? Certainly not in the same direction as the numerous others with the same half dozen or so people saying the same thing?!

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I should imagine so, with you defending the indefensible.
I do feel your pain though, as you seem fairly moderate and reasonable in most arguments, it's just the cards they deal you are tough at the moment!

More nonsense from Truss.

No-one is against growth, in fact, pretty much everyone understands you need economic growth, improvements to productivity and a better spread of wealth and resources between all of us. not everyone understands is that having 10 people own all the worlds resources isn't benefitting the other 7,999,999,990 of us.

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Child: mum, what's trickle down economics?

Mum: firstly, the wealthy get all the cash

Child: then what?

Mum: that's it. they get to keep it all.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

More nonsense from Truss.

No-one is against growth, in fact, pretty much everyone understands you need economic growth, improvements to productivity and a better spread of wealth and resources between all of us. not everyone understands is that having 10 people own all the worlds resources isn't benefitting the other 7,999,999,990 of us.

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They're trying to position themselves so that ANYTHING you disagree with means you're anti-growth.
I don't think it will wash this time, people can see them for what they are. Hopefully at least

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

I should imagine so, with you defending the indefensible.
I do feel your pain though, as you seem fairly moderate and reasonable in most arguments, it's just the cards they deal you are tough at the moment!

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I'll leave you guys to it then. Enjoy the circle jerk! :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Well I wonder how this thread will go? Certainly not in the same direction as the numerous others with the same half dozen or so people saying the same thing?!

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So, you don't think the anti growth coalition is a phrase dreamed up by her speech writers in an attempt to rally her party against some, apparent, enemy again? Just because people who are opposed to the Government can recognise it for what it is doesn't mean it's something more noble that we're ignoring.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I'll leave you guys to it then. Enjoy the circle jerk! :thumbup:

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Appreciate you don't share the same views as what's become the majority. That's bound to become frustrating.
It's this government though that's sending people like me who would be fairly centrist in their views further left.

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

Appreciate you don't share the same views as what's become the majority. That's bound to become frustrating.
It's this government though that's sending people like me who would be fairly centrist in their views further left.

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I literally said in the last week that if there was an election tomorrow I would vote Labour.

It's the endless insults, bigotry and lack of recognition of difficult decisions, reality of imperfect options, reality of situation in different countries etc that's annoying. It's endless 'it's the govt's fault' stuff.

Anyway, this thread will just descend into that, so like I said..enjoy!

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I literally said in the last week that if there was an election tomorrow I would vote Labour.

It's the endless insults, bigotry and lack of recognition of difficult decisions, reality of imperfect options, reality of situation in different countries etc that's annoying. It's endless 'it's the govt's fault' stuff.

Anyway, this thread will just descend into that, so like I said..enjoy!

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I get where you're coming from. However i'd just point out that I wouldn't insult you or show any of the above (although you seem to get it from elsewhere) and understand there aren't any simple solutions.
The problem that I have is that if you gave this government 10 cards with different solutions on, they'd go for the one put in there as a joke. That's probably why you've come to the decision that if there were an election now, you'd vote labour.
I've never seen anything quite like it, hence I do feel quite strongly about it and will do until we get a more moderate government.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

More nonsense from Truss.

No-one is against growth, in fact, pretty much everyone understands you need economic growth, improvements to productivity and a better spread of wealth and resources between all of us. not everyone understands is that having 10 people own all the worlds resources isn't benefitting the other 7,999,999,990 of us.

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Spot on

I'm Anti-Truss and I claim my £5

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I literally said in the last week that if there was an election tomorrow I would vote Labour.

It's the endless insults, bigotry and lack of recognition of difficult decisions, reality of imperfect options, reality of situation in different countries etc that's annoying. It's endless 'it's the govt's fault' stuff.

Anyway, this thread will just descend into that, so like I said..enjoy!

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I agree with you James on the insults. Posters like Sludge Factory make me cringe with his puerile comments, they add nothing and just play into political opponents hands IMHO. It also gives you scope to add bigotry to your list which is, of course, nonsense.

I don't think anyone doesn't recognise difficult decisions and the oft cry of "it's the govt's fault" is quite simply because it frequently is.

On the subject of growth, the biggest "anti growth coalition" are people who still support Brexit. Joining the CU and SM will have a huge positive effect on growth.

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Originally Posted by Claude Blue

I agree with you James on the insults. Posters like Sludge Factory make me cringe with his puerile comments, they add nothing and just play into political opponents hands IMHO. It also gives you scope to add bigotry to your list which is, of course, nonsense.

I don't think anyone doesn't recognise difficult decisions and the oft cry of "it's the govt's fault" is quite simply because it frequently is.

On the subject of growth, the biggest "anti growth coalition" are people who still support Brexit. Joining the CU and SM will have a huge positive effect on growth.

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Couldn’t agree more.

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

I believe in a fair society that protects the vulnerable, encourages business, prioritises education and the nhs, where freedom of speech and freedom of movement are allowed.

I am a card carrying member of the anti growth coalition.

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Do you know how hard it is to get into another country? I'd love a bit of freedom of movement if I could just turn up in an any other country and tell them I've come to live there, and ask where is my accommodation and living expenses. Unfortunately, I would probably end up in jail.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Do you know how hard it is to get into another country.

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To give this context are you looking to escape Tory Britain or just lamenting on the freedoms brexit took from you?

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

To give this context are you looking to escape Tory Britain or just lamenting on the freedoms brexit took from you?

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Leaving Britain to live in the EU would be more of the same!

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

More nonsense from Truss.

No-one is against growth, in fact, pretty much everyone understands you need economic growth, improvements to productivity and a better spread of wealth and resources between all of us. not everyone understands is that having 10 people own all the worlds resources isn't benefitting the other 7,999,999,990 of us.

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Spot on, the idea that there is a huge (if Truss is to be believed) “coalition” actively working to take us into, and then keep us in, recession is laughable.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Leaving Britain to live in the EU would be more of the same!

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More of the same, if you mean pre Brexit, sounds pretty good at the moment.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

More of the same, if you mean pre Brexit, sounds pretty good at the moment.

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I think people have forgotten what 2008 - 2015 was like.

The west collectively has been pretty much stagnant since the global financial crisis

Prolonged period of austerity
Unemployment was double what it is now
UK minimum wage was under £6, currently £9.50
Inflation was lower, but was still at a (then) 25 year high
GDP declined for 5 quarters in a row in 2009
FTSE crashed to 4,000pts. It's currently above 7,000
Annual wage growth varied between -3 and +3% (it's currently 5%)
Productivity was stagnant
£ crashed 60p against the dollar

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I think people have forgotten what 2008 - 2015 was like.

The west collectively has been pretty much stagnant since the global financial crisis

Prolonged period of austerity
Unemployment was double what it is now
UK minimum wage was under £6, currently £9.50
Inflation was lower, but was still at a (then) 25 year high
GDP declined for 5 quarters in a row in 2009
FTSE crashed to 4,000pts. It's currently above 7,000
Annual wage growth varied between -3 and +3% (it's currently 5%)
Productivity was stagnant
£ crashed 60p against the dollar

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You can't disagree too much with this and realistically, you'd want it to be pre-Brexit, pre-Tory rule and obviously pre-austerity

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Do you know how hard it is to get into another country? I'd love a bit of freedom of movement if I could just turn up in an any other country and tell them I've come to live there, and ask where is my accommodation and living expenses. Unfortunately, I would probably end up in jail.

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Clearly you know freedom of movement is the entire purpose of Schengen, and it seems to work perfectly well in all 26 countries (some of which have better welfare systems than the UK).

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I think people have forgotten what 2008 - 2015 was like.

The west collectively has been pretty much stagnant since the global financial crisis

Prolonged period of austerity
Unemployment was double what it is now
UK minimum wage was under £6, currently £9.50
Inflation was lower, but was still at a (then) 25 year high
GDP declined for 5 quarters in a row in 2009
FTSE crashed to 4,000pts. It's currently above 7,000
Annual wage growth varied between -3 and +3% (it's currently 5%)
Productivity was stagnant
£ crashed 60p against the dollar

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and post 2016 the sun has shone every day and no child has ever gone hungry.

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

You can't disagree too much with this and realistically, you'd want it to be pre-Brexit, pre-Tory rule and obviously pre-austerity

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Yes, I also wish Haarland was playing for Cardiff City in the Champions League, I was banging Megan Fox and a big mac and chips was good for me but the real world kicks in, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

and post 2016 the sun has shone every day and no child has ever gone hungry.

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Strawman argument. I'm not saying it has been such

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Yes, I also wish Haarland was playing for Cardiff City in the Champions League, I was banging Megan Fox and a big mac and chips was good for me but the real world kicks in, unfortunately.

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It was a real world when Labour were in government and we were in the EU. But if we could have that AND Haaland up front i'd take that.
You can't criticise people for saying it's all the government's fault then when you explain why it's all the government's fault tell them they're in dreamland. The "anti-growth coalition" is simply their next pack of lies to peddle.
Unfortunately we are where we are, and the first step to getting this shit show right is getting them out of government. If you want a labour government next (which you said is what you would vote for), defending the Tories every move isn't the way to go.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

Clearly you know freedom of movement is the entire purpose of Schengen, and it seems to work perfectly well in all 26 countries (some of which have better welfare systems than the UK).

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That's great, but I want to go to the countries that won't let foreigners have the same rights as local citizens, i.e. the right to reside, work and own property, and not have to register with the local police!

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

You can't disagree too much with this and realistically, you'd want it to be pre-Brexit, pre-Tory rule and obviously pre-austerity

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So, when in the seven year period you’re describing were ALL of these things happening at the same time?

Even this Government wouldn’t crow about wage growth being 5 per cent when inflation is almost twice that.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

So, when in the seven year period you’re describing were ALL of these things happening at the same time?

Even this Government wouldn’t crow about wage growth being 5 per cent when inflation is almost twice that.

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Sorry, this message should have addressed to James Wales.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I think people have forgotten what 2008 - 2015 was like.

The west collectively has been pretty much stagnant since the global financial crisis

Prolonged period of austerity
Unemployment was double what it is now
UK minimum wage was under £6, currently £9.50
Inflation was lower, but was still at a (then) 25 year high
GDP declined for 5 quarters in a row in 2009
FTSE crashed to 4,000pts. It's currently above 7,000
Annual wage growth varied between -3 and +3% (it's currently 5%)
Productivity was stagnant
£ crashed 60p against the dollar

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What role did the Tories’ austerity budgets play in all that?

James Wales is stringing some of your floating voter types along

Forget this I might vote labour crap .....hes a raving hardcore tory

Every thread about his beloved tory party .....he's on here defending their corner with yeah but what about etc etc cobblers

He's as slippery as another eel like tory boy who used to come on here

It's almost as if ....

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Originally Posted by az city

What role did the Tories’ austerity budgets play in all that?

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5 years , at least

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

That's great, but I want to go to the countries that won't let foreigners have the same rights as local citizens, i.e. the right to reside, work and own property, and not have to register with the local police!

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We'd like you to move to a country with no Internet yet here we are.

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Originally Posted by superfeathers

It was a real world when Labour were in government and we were in the EU. But if we could have that AND Haaland up front i'd take that.
You can't criticise people for saying it's all the government's fault then when you explain why it's all the government's fault tell them they're in dreamland. The "anti-growth coalition" is simply their next pack of lies to peddle.
Unfortunately we are where we are, and the first step to getting this shit show right is getting them out of government. If you want a labour government next (which you said is what you would vote for), defending the Tories every move isn't the way to go.

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He's like thatchers boyfriend

Bernard Ingham

Won't have a bad word said about them

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Originally Posted by Claude Blue

I agree with you James on the insults. Posters like Sludge Factory make me cringe with his puerile comments, they add nothing and just play into political opponents hands IMHO. It also gives you scope to add bigotry to your list which is, of course, nonsense.

I don't think anyone doesn't recognise difficult decisions and the oft cry of "it's the govt's fault" is quite simply because it frequently is.

On the subject of growth, the biggest "anti growth coalition" are people who still support Brexit. Joining the CU and SM will have a huge positive effect on growth.

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