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So now he's gone ahead and scrapped everything Truss has brought in,
He's PM by proxy right?
The tax cut isn't even delayed, it's delayed INDEFINITELY.
So what is the point of Liz Truss? Surely after today's announcement, there is nowhere for her to turn.
Think they may have just become a bit more unpopular. General Election is the only way.
The national insurance rise still remains scrapped I believe but yes most things still going. What annoys with the energy crisis is the government wants to bail out peoples bills, or put the cap on as they say to cover it but why are the prices so high in the first place as these companies were making billions of profit before the ukraine war. More nuclear reactors or a lot more renewable energy needed asap.
As regards to Truss, she looks doomed already. Sad as we don't want to see this mess and its looks like hunt is trying to sort it out but i think everyone is just fed up of the cock ups now. Tory, Labour or whoever you vote we've all had enough of this nonsense, resignations and incompetence . Get a reasonable plan people aren't going to lose their shit at and stick to it.
Yes, I agree that for years there should've been the foresight to make our energy supply more secure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monster munch
But wow, I'm lost for words with how they've dealt with this. They've announced everything then said "only joking!" that's all gone!
Whatever your politics, and I think I'm repeating myself, they are a total and utter, unmitigated shambles of a government.
There we go, don't moan about high taxes , or austerity as the dosh has to come from somewhere ???????
As the government has price capped the energy which will cost a fortune if the gas /electricity rise because of external matters so look out whoever you support ,hence the chaos .
There is only so much you can pay via windfall taxes ..
Governments around the world are doing the same and are also in conflict with banks views on borrowing , bonds selling is under pressure ..
Why announce at 11am Monday ?? what was he told last night :sherlock::sherlock: all I say is LDI sssssh...
If anyone thinks a different government are deluded , you only get one statement windfall ,windfall ,windfall ,windfall , not efficiencies, not public sector controls , and pay rise support will really kick inflation into the unknown figures also forecasted by the B of E last year ,so how does Labour square all this and appeal will be of interest , if they have the correct answerer's I will tick the box ,I'm still awaiting to read them though ?
I remember Brown and John Smith RIP having the same conflicts...
Cock ups? It's all planned and you ain't going back to your old life. This is the great reset that we were told was coming, but unfortunately most people thought it was all a loony conspiracy theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monster munch
We now know who is in charge ,and its the Bank of England .
If Labour thinks quietly supporting excessive wage demands , and applying tax windfalls after windfall is the answer they are barmy , may gets a lot more seats , and if power with Lib's /SNP , however they would face worse than this , and so will the person in the streets at the lower end of pay scales .. and re joining single market is the big debate and a worry for Labour that Lib's SNP will want ??
Glad to see the NI reduction is left in ........
I agree that with our resources the UK should be able to weather any kind of global energy price storm, however the free market dictates the prices the wholesalers sell at, petrochems are sold in dollars to those who pay the most. It is also the wholesalers (Shell, BP etc) that are making the massive profits and not the retailers (the energy companies). Given the furore made by quite a large part of population regarding the BoE's intervention to prop up pension funds and the gilts market, and given that the very same pension funds that required BoE support also invest heavily in petrochems, the logical conclusion is that that the significant profits earned by the wholesalers are to be welcomed given (i) they pay an effective rate of tax of over 60% and the profits support better pensions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monster munch
Markets 1 Government 0 want a game of two half's , government couldn't handle their physicality ..
With the goal scored straight from the kick off when Truss turned the ball into her own net.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Yes and I think one of the quickest ever seen ,since this start of the crazy season , could be facing relegation ..
In dire need of the new manager bounceQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
It's not all governments though is it ?
The Tories are in charge . 12 years .
Nobody else's fault .
Tories .
I know bloody crazy, they have a had such a soft era :Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
No financial market crash with banks going to the wall .
No pandemic that saw billions spent to save jobs and lives.
No Brexit and the attempts by many to overturn a democratic vote eating up government planning.
No mass movement of migrants .
No loopy USA Presidents swaying the markets .
No war in Europe effecting food and energy.
No right wing nutters taking charge with fantasy politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Blaming the faults of Brexit on remainers wanting to overturn the vote is a funny one. The Tories have had a majority power for the whole time since we’ve left the EU. Every opposing MP could piss and shit all over Westminster as a form of protest and the Tories could still do whatever they wanted in regards to Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
The mass movement of migrants was allegedly solved by Brexit. If it hasn’t been, that’s the fault of the Tories. As a cynic I think having a “migrant crisis” is a net positive for the Tories. They have a scapegoat demographic to target and can look like their busy fixing it whilst doing very little.
If it's one thing the Tories excel at it's brainwashing. Boy they are the best; it keeps them in power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
ExcusesQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Your mob
12 years
Of course when Labour were faced with a worldwide financial meltdown .........you fully understood ......which is why your Tories backed the rescue plan
Then when the general election came along .....forgot 🙄
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Originally Posted by life on mars
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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
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https://www.theguardian.com/football...ards-trap-doorQuote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
Good grief. There's one thing having courage in your convictions, there's another suggesting those who don't share your world view have been brainwashed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
You're a rather conceited narcissist.
Heavens, so says the most conceited fool on the board, what a laugh!Quote:
Originally Posted by DryCleaning
You're clearly not a psychologist.
I'm not aware of any narcissistic personality traits I possess. I haven't an inflated ego (but guess who has!). I certainly do not lack empathy and have no need for attention. Neither do I suffer any repressed insecurities that I'm aware of. Is this just the latest epithet you've suddenly come across and thought you'd show off by using it on a football message board?
And all this from a troubled reactionary!
Dorcus, why are Conservative voters more likely to be brainwashed than Labour?
My Dad has voted for different parties over the years. My mum, resolutely will always, always vote Labour. Conversations about the economy or policies are irrelevant. She will always vote Labour. I wouldn't call her brainwashed at all, but she certainly thinks far less about it than my Dad ever did.
James I'm not sufficiently medically qualified to answer your question I'm afraid. My hunch is it's mainly because of the lavish spending the Tories are fortunate enough to be able to regularly allocate to their propaganda campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
My mother would never have dreamt of voting anything but Tory. I disagreed with her wholeheartedly but accepted she had an unshakeable belief in Tory values which from my point of view never offered her anything in life apart from some internal vindication and solace.
My father on the other hand readily admitted he had no real interest in politics beyond naked self interest, and flipped political support regularly. I thought less of him for it even though he usually voted anything but Tory.
It's just my personal belief that if the vast number of floating voters really bothered to study the philosophies of all political parties in much more depth we would end up with far less floating voters.
Just observing in from the fence here. I'd say that conservative voters are brainwashed in that they sloganeer, they use the press very cleverly, they create enemies for the public and cause issues to distract, see immigrants as an example. The AGC was a really poor attempt, because it's caught on in a comedic rather than serious way. They brainwash the middle classes that they're the party for them, although it's actually only the richest in society who benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
There are so many voters in Wales and the North like your mum. In a way they've been brainwashed, but by the Conservatives. They've been brainwashed through experience that they can't trust them. Nothing good can come from them. It's the people who will call them Tory scum and so on. Those who got treated so badly and had industries destroyed and walked over many years ago, won't forgive or forget.
I'd vote labour because I've got too much of a social conscience to vote for this lot. I don't feel brainwashed, but I guess if I am, then I wouldn't know!
There's so much to unpack here, but oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
point more evident than anything else is your diatribe is nothing more than a smokescreen designed to obfuscate the point being made.
People support parties for a variety of reasons. There's no right or wrong, as by and large it's based the individuals life experiences and expectations.
I suppose we can add delusional to your list of character traits
It's not brainwashingQuote:
Originally Posted by DryCleaning
It's lying
Truss has been at it already and she's only just started !
Tosspots
In the old days the Tories had some one nation , old school moderatesQuote:
Originally Posted by DryCleaning
Hague , Clarke , Major , Hurd
But those sort of Tories are long gone
Tories and tory voters are about themselves . They don't care about society and all this personal responsibility bollocks is a cover for
self self self
The Tories have completely crapped on those that voted for them in the north . I will be amazed if these people stick with them again . If they do then I won't have any sympathy for them whatsoever. The Tories look after their own . You can become one of them if you are successful but if you are poor or vulnerable you can feck off .
Why is it that people who work with the less fortunate almost always refuse to vote for them ?
Delusional lol!!! A bit pissed off because we fell for the propaganda are we? I have sympathy for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by DryCleaning
Lets be honest if we had a perfect country under the Tories you'd still hate or envy them and there supporters .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
I know both Labour and Tory voters all working class all nice people however one can tell one side is more bitter and narrow of thought that the others .... the Tory voters mainly work in the private manual type work sector, the Labour lads are mainly in the public sector or ex public sector roles .
Lets see what Labour does in power with the world situations adversely effect markets that UK families are effected by , not just the UK 's decisions its the worlds that control matters ..
Tories will keep the triple lock so yer all okay
Let’s look at what labour did when they were in power last https://twitter.com/creativecamden/s...zLiwX5ehDITX7wQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Surely even you with your one eye can see the shite state this country is in. Food banks everywhere, poverty everywhere, NHS and public services on their knees. The economy destroyed by an ideological mad woman. A winter of discontent, Jesus I could go on and on and on.
And please don’t come back with but labour but the war but the pandemic. This country was on its knees before all of these events happened.
Don’t be sick, don’t be poor and don’t lose your job.
General election now!
They have announced they won't according to James cleverly on radio 5 this morningQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Who's in charge now?
Liz Truss commits to the pension triple lock 2 days after Hunt says they're not making any commitments on individual policies?
'Let's be honest' would be a change.... but as usual that bit is missing.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
When I read that list initially I thought it was someone being ironic. Call out a number and we'll have a look at the reality behind the headline.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
So when do you expect a perfect country under the Tories? Please let us know as soon as it's on its way.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Truss just u turned on that yet again but I'm not sure she has the authority to make that decision. We await what her boss Jeremy has to say about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
They are all puppets, somebody else is pulling their strings.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Ah yes, the social conscience of the typical Labour voter.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
Let's just be clear - no set of voters for any party is universally brainwashed. Some are more loyal than others, some have different reasons for voting how they do, some for ideological, personal, social reasons. And most will vote for a party for a different reason than someone else voters against them.
Language like brainwashing is the kind of stuff Sunni and Shias throw around at eachother in the middle east. It's simply not the case, and for every opinion or piece of flimsy evidence suggesting it, there is equal evidence on the other side.
Sometimes, we have to accept, we all have different opinions and it's as simple as that
I noted there were a lot of Manchurian Candidates in the last Tory intake.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Propaganda? less use of hyperbole wouldn't go amiss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
who are you again?