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UK experts helped shut down Covid lab leak theory - weeks after being told it might be true
Sir Patrick Vallance among scientists behind paper that stifled debate into the origins of the virus
Top scientists including Sir Patrick Vallance were warned that Covid-19 could have evolved in laboratory animals, but collaborated in a paper which shut down the lab leak theory, it has emerged.
The paper, “The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2,” published in Nature Medicine in March 2020, argued that a natural spillover event caused the pandemic, and was hugely instrumental in stifling debate into the origins of the virus.
But newly released emails from early 2020 show that in the weeks before publication the authors held lengthy discussions with experts, including Sir Patrick and Sir Jeremy Farrar, the head of the Wellcome Trust.
In those discussions, experts were advised that the unusual features seen in Covid-19 could have evolved in animals in a lab, as well as in the wild.
They were also warned that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) had been carrying out research on bat-coronaviruses at worrying levels of biosecurity.
Yet by the time the paper was published, all reference to biosecurity problems in Wuhan had been removed, and the authors argued that lab evolution of the virus was unlikely.
Questions have arisen around the drafting and formulation of the paper since its publication.
The lead author of the paper, Prof Kristian Andersen, of the Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, had earlier told colleagues that features of the virus looked as if they’d been engineered in a lab.
However, no mention of this was made in the paper.
'Important to stay open-minded'
Commenting on the new emails, which were released under Freedom of Information request, Dr Jeremy Farrar, the director of Wellcome, said: "It is important that we understand how all pathogens emerge so that we can prevent future pandemics.
“In my view, the scientific evidence continues to point to SARS-CoV-2 crossing from animals to humans as the most likely scenario.
“However, as the efforts to gather evidence continue, it is important to stay open-minded and work together internationally to understand the emergence of Covid and variant strains – to end this pandemic and reduce the risks of future events.”
A Government Office for Science spokesperson said: “The Government Chief Scientific Adviser ensures that policies and decisions are informed by the best scientific evidence.
“The GCSA promotes full transparency and an open exchange of ideas and scientific opinion as the email exchange reflects.”
The emails were released following an FOI request from James Tobias, a freelance journalist.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ks-told-might/
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A Quiet Monkfish
Lockdowns are a control tool and they will be back here soon enough.
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I had a feeling this thread wouldn't gain much traction among the natural origin/wet market narrative pushers among us. They certainly have a history of not admitting to the things they get wrong.
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I hope this guy isn't correct, but he usually is. That's quite a steep curve he is predicting.
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Wales-Bales
Lockdowns are a control tool and they will be back here soon enough.
Wales has been locked down and stunted for growth for 20 years now under Labour.
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[QUOTE=life on mars;5367616]Wales has been locked down and stunted for growth for 20 years now under Labour
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Wales-Bales
Lockdowns are a control tool and they will be back here soon enough.
They won’t work next time though….
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life on mars
Wales has been locked down and stunted for growth for 20 years now under Labour.
:hehe: where’s sludge eh?
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The White House daily press briefing spiraled out of control on Tuesday when a reporter dared ask Dr. Anthony Fauci whether he has investigated the origins of COVID-19.
What happened?
As Fauci and Dr. Ashish Jha, the White House COVID response coordinator, were answering questions at the press briefing, Daily Caller White House correspondent Diana Glebova attempted to ask Fauci what he has done to investigate the origins of the COVID pandemic.
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The picture is becoming clearer by the day, or at least for me it is. The absent voices, some of whom were the most vocal on here, need to take a good look in the mirror.
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The picture is becoming clearer by the day, or at least for me it is. The absent voices, some of whom were the most vocal on here, need to take a good look in the mirror.
Most people tend to be vocal when it’s a majority opinion , it’s much harder to offer a opinion when you may be in a minority.
If the opinion changes then the same people will pivot.
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TWGL1
Most people tend to be vocal when it’s a majority opinion , it’s much harder to offer a opinion when you may be in a minority.
If the opinion changes then the same people will pivot.
Its not healthy talking to oneself
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Packerman
Its not healthy talking to oneself
Forget that , what’s your view on the alleged misinformation given out my senior government officials?
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They won’t work next time though….
They haven't worked in China, even after three years. And now .....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-asia-63776816
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Packerman
Its not healthy talking to oneself
But necessary when you're desperate for attention and so many people have stopped giving it to you.
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The big hitters have arrived :hehe:
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lardy
But necessary when you're desperate for attention and so many people have stopped giving it to you.
Desperate for attention… yes this is the place I’d come for it :hehe::hehe:
Fine, you don’t have to have the same opinion as many others but try and be mature about it there’s a good boy.
Clearly,you’re still hypnotised by it all are you :hehe:
AlL opINioNS WelcOMe
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TWGL1
Desperate for attention… yes this is the place I’d come for it :hehe::hehe:
Fine, you don’t have to have the same opinion as many others but try and be mature about it there’s a good boy.
Clearly,you’re still hypnotised by it all are you :hehe:
AlL opINioNS WelcOMe
I didn't see any opinion, although I quite excited at the thought that we might get one!
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Wales-Bales
The picture is becoming clearer by the day, or at least for me it is. The absent voices, some of whom were the most vocal on here, need to take a good look in the mirror.
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...urce-Documents
3) The Wuhan bio-weapons facility has been the Covid source elephant in the room but there has been yet another coverup by the usual suspects. Author WalesBales
This was No 3 on the list of source documents you were unable to find last time we went around this bhouy. Given the picture is getting clearer by the day, at least for you, do you have any source documents now to shift the dial from the probability it was not man made?
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It's been a long 8 months since Gluey posted his "sourced" view about the genesis of the Y2K, it's just like a cold Covid virus. Still no sign of the source document but as he said very early this morning that some of it was in the very early days when we didn't know the virus was engineered in a lab, and this changes things quite a bit. I would presume he's now in a position to post the proof at last.
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Any further forward on the proof that the virus was engineered in a lab anyone? I understand that Gluey "knows" but he's gone all shy for some reason.
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cyril evans awaydays
Any further forward on the proof that the virus was engineered in a lab anyone? I understand that Gluey "knows" but he's gone all shy for some reason.
CIA now seem to think this is the most likely source.
I've never been too exercised on where it came from. More interested in the damage it did (and continues to do) to our society. But this does demonstrate that the media and individuals should at least be more open minded and curious on these things, no?
Am surprised it's not a bigger story too, given the pandemic is the story of the century thus far.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9qjjj4zy5o
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JamesWales
CIA now seem to think this is the most likely source.
I've never been too exercised on where it came from. More interested in the damage it did (and continues to do) to our society. But this does demonstrate that the media and individuals should at least be more open minded and curious on these things, no?
Am surprised it's not a bigger story too, given the pandemic is the story of the century thus far.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9qjjj4zy5o
Everyone knew it came from a lab they were researching it, although they tired to hush it up.
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JamesWales
CIA now seem to think this is the most likely source.
I've never been too exercised on where it came from. More interested in the damage it did (and continues to do) to our society. But this does demonstrate that the media and individuals should at least be more open minded and curious on these things, no?
Am surprised it's not a bigger story too, given the pandemic is the story of the century thus far.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9qjjj4zy5o
Poor Cyril :hehe: :hehe:
I'm not sure which one of Trumps picks is going to get the hardest hearing
JFK Junior - Usually a bad outcome kicking back against big pharma, plenty who have dissapeared suddenly and there is plenty left
in the Covid story to expose, it is being dripped out piece by piece.
or
Kash Patel - he was on a few of the committees and has seen a lot of the classified stuff, the J6 committee are shitting themselves hence the preemptive pardons, he knows there was an insurrection but he also knows who instigated and planned it!!.
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JamesWales
CIA now seem to think this is the most likely source.
I've never been too exercised on where it came from. More interested in the damage it did (and continues to do) to our society. But this does demonstrate that the media and individuals should at least be more open minded and curious on these things, no?
Am surprised it's not a bigger story too, given the pandemic is the story of the century thus far.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd9qjjj4zy5o
An early candidate for "Bump of the Year" NQAT :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
An early candidate for "Bump of the Year" NQAT :biggrin:
The silence is deafening, while you’re at it , why don’t you reignite the Covid thread :hehe:
The abuse he and others directed at people was insane at times, a severe case of mass formation psychosis.
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Hands on, game yellow.
It is so shit that we have to put up with this bollocks from TWGL1.
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TWGL1
The silence is deafening, while you’re at it , why don’t you reignite the Covid thread :hehe:
The abuse he and others directed at people was insane at times, a severe case of mass formation psychosis.
We can do that after the RFK Jr confirmation :thumbup:
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Alan Lung
Hands on, game yellow.
It is so shit that we have to put up with this bollocks from TWGL1.
Bollocks you say …. Let’s hear your side then , grow up and let’s have an adult discussion, otherwise SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !
We are all ears …….
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I'm not sure who all this 'I told you so' is aimed at, but a Chinese lab leak was always a possibility in my mind and a highly likely one at that, but if you think RFK Jnr is the answer to putting the world to right on health, think again.
https://x.com/repauchincloss/status/...290244256?s=48
