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Wow what a watch to think this small band of men effected North Africa campaign.
Interesting Churchills involvement and creating such a rogue group which the generals were not keen on..
https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2022...rama-to-return
The podcast is good
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08f00r9
as is the book by the excellent writer Ben Macintire .. Read all of his wonderful books .
Book:
https://www.waterstones.com/book/sas...8aAvxEEALw_wcB
I found it a bit silly and overexaggerated at times but a decent watch all the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Paddy Mayne being made out as a lunatic who snarled at anybody that dare speak to him was a bit OTT also. Very interesting man though. Played international rugby for Ireland and the Lions.
Dramatic licence was a bit OTT but an spiffing watch all the same old boy. A bit like "The Crown" insomuch as if you believe it verbatim your a silly bugger.
Churchill appears to have been a bit of a racist old tosser
War mongerer and a general wrong'un. No wonder Johnson idolises himQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Was it not a fly on the wall documentary?Quote:
Originally Posted by sneggyblubird
That's comical. You should have read a bit of history and learnt about the other German bloke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime
Almost everyone was then, it was different times.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Yes, quite a good watch!
It severely downplayed the role of the LRDG (Long Range Desert Patrol Group). They were the ones who extracted Sterling and his men after their parachute drop and guided them in in many of the earlier missions. They trained the SAS people on desert navigation and a few of their members transferred over to the SAS as navigators.
Bit of a daft comment, don't ya think??Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Had Hitler gotten control of mainland Europe, which was clearly the intention, I daresay no blacks, Jews, Muslims etc would be residing anywhere in Europe right now.
Who's the more racist of the two of them really?
Nor residing here.. Churchill for all his faults was nothing like some have painted him here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
And he was given the boot by the electorate Towards the end of the second world War. Bit strange that, you would have thought that he would have been very popular. Obviously not. Also sent The Murderous 'Black and Tans' into Ireland. My Grandfather despised Churchill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime
Spot on, Churchill was a first class twat, the electorate saw right through him in the election after the war, unlike today’s voters. The result of that election tells the true story of the UKs opinion of the man not the heroic, greatest Briton ever, fantastic leader shite we’ve been fed for years and years. He was a horror of a man from the very start of his political career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
David Sterling may have been a Boy's Own 'hero' in WW2 - but he was also a dangerous right wing fanatic who planned an armed coup against the Wilson government in the 1970s. GB75 was real and Stirling's views and most of his plans are clear.
The only dispute is how far MI5, MI6 and other elements of the establishment were also involved.
https://connorwoodman.com/2018/03/18...-in-the-1970s/
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Originally Posted by splott parker
You'll have to ask Kanye westQuote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
Might as well bang your head against a brick wall. It would make more sense.
I watched the series some time ago on BBC i player.Excellent series.
As for a coup given the power of the trade unions in the 70s,a national strike who have been called.
I think that's a fair conclusionQuote:
Originally Posted by Harry Lime
I didn't say who was the most racist , Hitler or ChurchillQuote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
I said Churchill was a racist old tosser and he was
Hitler was a fascist which is a racist and many other attributes
I can't speak for others but I have described him as a racistQuote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Which is what he was
Mine tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
He had no respect for the middle east or muslims.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Also allowed the army into Tonypandy to influence the Miners Strike.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Basically sent soldiers on the population.
I've not seen this series but recently started watching the Mayfair set. It's old now but I found it very interesting. The first episode, at least, focuses on Stirling and the SAS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...he-mayfair-set
That's not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
I think you may find he agreed to the use of troops as requested by the then chief of heddlu/dibble.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Some say he was reluctant to do so but do do he did.
I'll stand corrected if you can tell me otherwise.
The police requested the local authories to bring them in because of looting etc. Churchill found out and initially stopped them an they billetted at [Swindon ?]. The local authorities and police asked they carry on to Tonypandy, which they did, but they never came into face-to-face confrontation with the miners. There's a lot of stuff written about it but if you want a balanced, detailed account there's a whole chapter in Jeremy Paxman's Black Gold - it probably available in you local library.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
I've read Paxmans book, decent read but certainly subjective, I agree it's quite balanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Decent view on the Aberfan disaster too.
Thought my view was 'balanced' mind. I don't subscribe to the view Churchill enthusiastically allowed troops to the Rhondda but he certainly agreed to it.
Another who showed restraint remarkably was the army commander MaCready. The same bloke who went into Ireland with the Black n Tan's.
Just the usual we hate Tory trait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
With no consideration of the issues and behaviour of all at the time ..
Churchill was an extraordinary man , as were his views on winning a war, whilst allowing the rules of war to be ignored in North Africa to win atvall costs , let's not forget it was in tandem with Nazis gassing women and children , and the Japanese cruelly torturing POW's
Guess Nazis ,Japs were not as evil as a all Tories.
The troops went in as support as the police chief and the local police could not cope , or the pther forces called in , he felt folks lives were at stake so he begged Churchill, who initially turned the request down .Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
I don't think the army or Churchill were the violent components its was more miners and police charging and fighting each other .. even police from Cardiff were there , they just lost control .
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonypandy_riots