Johnny Marr , Cardiff , Radio One Music Festival Or Whatever It's Called

Filmed at the end of the summer I think , Cardiff University

It was on BBC2 the other night

Christ it was hard work watching that

He's not a heavy rock guitarist or somebody I would be into but some of his early stuff is quite lively

But the audience were half asleep and so was he

Maybe if they stuck flowers down their pants he might have felt at home and played a few encores

Or was that Depeche Mode ?

We're all guilty

You couldn't name a better guitarist than Johnny Marr.

I saw him about 10 years ago and he was incredible.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

You couldn't name a better guitarist than Johnny Marr.

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Here you go, off the top of my head: Paul Kossoff, Jimi Hendrix, Al 'Bind Owl' Wilson' Duane Allman, Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Gary Rossington, Allen Collins, Ed King, Jimmy Page, Ritchie Blackmore, Peter Bullick. Eric Bell, Brian Robertson. Scott Gorham, Johnny Winter, Steve Cropper. I'm going to stop there, as I'll be typing all day.

I saw Johnny Marr with the Smiths way back in September '84 at Cardiff Uni. The band bored the pants off me....

Big mouth strikes again

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Here you go, off the top of my head: Paul Kossoff, Jimi Hendrix, Al 'Bind Owl' Wilson' Duane Allman, Peter Green, Danny Kirwan, Gary Rossington, Allen Collins, Ed King, Jimmy Page, Ritchie Blackmore, Peter Bullick. Eric Bell, Brian Robertson. Scott Gorham, Johnny Winter, Steve Cropper. I'm going to stop there, as I'll be typing all day.

I saw Johnny Marr with the Smiths way back in September '84 at Cardiff Uni. The band bored the pants off me....

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Alex Lifeson , Joe Satriani , Eddie Van Halen , Dave Gilmour , George Harrison , Randy California ......

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

I saw him about 10 years ago and he was incredible.

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He wasn't at this gig

Quite literally

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

You couldn't name a better guitarist than Johnny Marr.

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Don't be silly

He's a good guitarist for his genre ......student indie

But he won't be bothering the greatest ever guitarists list , unless you are a student

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

He wasn't at this gig

Quite literally

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For some unknown to me reason, The Smiths and anti-immigration Morrissey are very popular with Mexican Americans. L.A. even has a Morrissey day.

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Originally Posted by bigjoe

For some unknown to me reason, The Smiths and anti-immigration Morrissey are very popular with Mexican Americans. L.A. even has a Morrissey day.

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The Smiths were a very good band and Marr was a good guitarist but he wasn't a GREAT

Morrisey is a very odd bloke . From an immigrant family himself yet he wraps himself in a union jack and talks cobblers about race ?

I personally don't think he's a racist I just think he's an arsehole and doing it to sell records

I think he was the driving force behind every great melody they produced and a very good guitarist. Unfortunately I recently listened to his autobiography on Audible and although he seems like a perfectly decent bloke, boy was it boring.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Filmed at the end of the summer I think , Cardiff University

It was on BBC2 the other night

Christ it was hard work watching that

He's not a heavy rock guitarist or somebody I would be into but some of his early stuff is quite lively

But the audience were half asleep and so was he

Maybe if they stuck flowers down their pants he might have felt at home and played a few encores

Or was that Depeche Mode ?

We're all guilty

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This was the 6 Music festival in April, I was there on the Sunday night for Johnny Marr - he was excellent (if you like that kind of thing), very much a '6 Music Dad' crowd (myself included!).

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Originally Posted by bigjoe

For some unknown to me reason, The Smiths and anti-immigration Morrissey are very popular with Mexican Americans. L.A. even has a Morrissey day.

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the mexican morrissey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwn7Ova2tCk

Morrissey day LA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-CDCNId_aU

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Alex Lifeson , Joe Satriani , Eddie Van Halen , Dave Gilmour , George Harrison , Randy California ......

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Someone doesn't listen to Johnny Marr.

I read his biography a few years back got about half way through and gave up.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Someone doesn't listen to Johnny Marr.

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I have listened to Marr and I watched that concert . He's not a fantastic guitarist . He's better than most but he's no Jimmy Page .

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Originally Posted by insider

I read his biography a few years back got about half way through and gave up.

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Apparently he regularly wanted to beat the crap into Morrisey and his Paisley shirted fans

I met Johnny Marr, in a posh Italian Manchester restaurant at breakfast time a couple of years ago, i have to say he was an absolute gent and a lovely guy. Got photos with him and was happy to chat.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I have listened to Marr and I watched that concert . He's not a fantastic guitarist . He's better than most but he's no Jimmy Page .

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He has better taste than Jimmy Page.

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Originally Posted by insider

I read his biography a few years back got about half way through and gave up.

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I really enjoyed it. I really liked how candid he was. He was both humble, yet not afraid to acknowledge that he was in a hugely important band and has written some amazing songs.

I've met him a few times. He's a top bloke. He's a big Man City fan. The last time, we talked about football for about an hour. It was when we were in the EPL with Warnock.

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I really enjoyed it. I really liked how candid he was. He was both humble, yet not afraid to acknowledge that he was in a hugely important band and has written some amazing songs.

I've met him a few times. He's a top bloke. He's a big Man City fan. The last time, we talked about football for about an hour. It was when we were in the EPL with Warnock.

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**** me mate, first you're knocking back Madonna, then socialising with Johnny Marr. Can i have your autograph :hehe: :thumbup:

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**** me mate, first you're knocking back Madonna, then socialising with Johnny Marr. Can i have your autograph :hehe: :thumbup:

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I totally would have banged Madonna even though she was well past it, but I would have lost my job. And more importantly, my wife. Johnny Marr is a friend of a friend. It's not like I have his phone number.

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I totally would have banged Madonna even though she was well past it, but I would have lost my job. And more importantly, my wife. Johnny Marr is a friend of a friend. It's not like I have his phone number.

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Who you Mates with, Rick Rubin?
:)

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

He has better taste than Jimmy Page.

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In terms of wine , women , food ?

He can't touch him as a guitarist

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

In terms of wine , women , food ?

He can't touch him as a guitarist

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And you know this how?

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

And you know this how?

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I know because page , Gilmour, hendrix , Harrison, iommi etc are almost always listed by other guitarists as influential across genres and generations

Marr was good at what he did but he's never going to be remembered as a great

And that's the way it is

I've asked this question before on here. What do brilliant musicians do that ordinary musicians can't? What are the nuances that our music aficionados seem to be able to see but i most certainly can't. I enjoy the sound, but have no idea what is really good and what isn't.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I've asked this question before on here. What do brilliant musicians do that ordinary musicians can't? What are the nuances that our music aficionados seem to be able to see but i most certainly can't. I enjoy the sound, but have no idea what is really good and what isn't.

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In terms of this topic , it's not about who can play the fastest or most difficult notes , it's about the sound or at least in my opinion it is

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

In terms of this topic , it's not about who can play the fastest or most difficult notes , it's about the sound or at least in my opinion it is

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I mean in terms of technique. I can tell a decent footballer by their shape, touch, vision etc, most of us can, because we have watched loads of it. But Musicians? Maybe it's nothing like sport in terms of individual brilliance, but the sound is the thing that makes the difference. Would be interested to know from those who can play a bit.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

In terms of this topic , it's not about who can play the fastest or most difficult notes , it's about the sound or at least in my opinion it is

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Randy Rhoads was a fine plucker.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

I mean in terms of technique. I can tell a decent footballer by their shape, touch, vision etc, most of us can, because we have watched loads of it. But Musicians? Maybe it's nothing like sport in terms of individual brilliance, but the sound is the thing that makes the difference. Would be interested to know from those who can play a bit.

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That wouldn't include me then

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Originally Posted by valleys caveman

Randy Rhoads was a fine plucker.

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Indeed, what a song crazy train was

Ozzy was hopeless as a solo artist but often had great guitarists backing him up

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That wouldn't include me then

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Yeah, i don't even know if i'm talking any sense.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Yeah, i don't even know if i'm talking any sense.

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Put it this way a lot of people think rock music fans listen to music that is fast or technically very difficult but it's really about the sound

Some of the most amazing guitar sounds are easy to play and very simple

That little ditty in my life by the beatles for example

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Indeed, what a song crazy train was

Ozzy was hopeless as a solo artist but often had great guitarists backing him up

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Wasn't Randy plucking Sharon?
I've watched a few Ozzy interviews about RR's untimely death, and Ozzy is always very complementary towards RR.

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Wasn't Randy plucking Sharon?
I've watched a few Ozzy interviews about RR's untimely death, and Ozzy is always very complementary towards RR.

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If he was he was my deepest sympathies

I think Ozzy and most people in rock music held RR in high esteem , he was a very gifted guitarist

Met his namesake in Tenerife last January, John Marr, ex Partick Thistle, Greenock Morton. Had a few pints with him over a few nights, asked me how Gerry Byrne was getting on. He’d played with him in Scottish junior football. He, obviously, wished he had a quid for every time he was asked how Morrissey was getting on.

anyway found a suitable alternative take it away Rick Astley & Blossoms !

takes 3 guitar players doing what johnny was doing back in the day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH-OGtN6Opo

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I know because page , Gilmour, hendrix , Harrison, iommi etc are almost always listed by other guitarists as influential across genres and generations

Marr was good at what he did but he's never going to be remembered as a great

And that's the way it is

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No, it isn't. I'll give you Hendrix, possibly Gilmore. But the rest of them are just a bunch of shredders. Good at what they do but can't write a decent song for toffee. Johnny Marr is already heralded as great. And will be remembered as one too. Just google what other guitarists have to say about him.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

No, it isn't. I'll give you Hendrix, possibly Gilmore. But the rest of them are just a bunch of shredders. Good at what they do but can't write a decent song for toffee. Johnny Marr is already heralded as great. And will be remembered as one too. Just google what other guitarists have to say about him.

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Yes it is

He was a guitarist in an indie student band

Jimmy Page , Hendrix , Pete Townsend ......Great rock guitarists

Marr was in a band that was league one compared to those boys

British indie music throws up some good bands and some good guitarists but the Smiths and Marr are not rock greats .