Not bad, boring but growing on me, seems calm and a bit of a steady Eddie, which maybe is what we need. The policies are the same as Rishi's now so there would be very little difference, a bit like Blair's New Labour.
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Not bad, boring but growing on me, seems calm and a bit of a steady Eddie, which maybe is what we need. The policies are the same as Rishi's now so there would be very little difference, a bit like Blair's New Labour.
It’s a no from me, because of his stance on Brexit. He’s become an appeaser.
The more I hear from Starmer and people like Wes Streeting lately, the less time I have for them, but Labour have got my vote in the next election, because the overwhelming first priority is to get this Government out.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw
What don't you like about what they are saying then Bob?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Exactly my thoughts too. It's depressing that this is the only realistic option left open to us to avoid right wing chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
He's impressive in my opinion. Calm, sensible, sober and moderate. More in common with Sunak than Corbyn which will infuriate many but that does make him more electable
I mostly agree that after a shaky start Starmer has become more confident. He is still a little risk averse and as I said in an earlier thread, seems to be following a similar model to Albanese in Australia where a stolid politician swept a tired government from power.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Where I disagree with you and North Cardiff Blue is where you see similarities with Sunak. From the Labour policies that are beginning to emerge there will be significant differences. Whether it be around a public stake in Energy and via National Wealth Funds, a redistributive tax policy including removing non-dom status and the protection of workers rights there will be plenty to choose from.
The position on Brexit is not to my taste but can sort of understand telling the voters the last election lost that they were wrong is not going to entice them back. Losing the votes of people who want to reestablish closer ties with the EU to the Lib Dems is likely to hurt the Tories more in parts of the South of England.
I am a little softer in my left leaning politics than some on here so can understand that others may not share my views. An electable opposition against a tired squabbling party of government will go a long way. Creating a bit more enthusiasm for Labour vision of the future must be the task for 2023.
Will he privatise more of the the NHS ??????
Will he control Immigration ??
Will he not join the signal currency ??
Will he declare war on the nasties ??
Will he stamp out benefit fraud as well as taxing the rich ??
Will he fly the British Flag ??
Will he take back control ??
Will he sack Angela ??
Will he reinstate Corbyn ???
Will he say sorry for standing behind Corbyn and his foul gang as it wasn't a dark secret what was going on ??
In summary he is bang on to be the next Tory leader ..
Arise Sir Tony Kier ..
Sunak and Starmer both parachuted from nowhere into safe seats before being elected as MPs in the 2015 General Election.
Then a meteoric ascent for both to lead both wings of the Uniparty.
Sponsored by WEF no doubt.
I remarked yesterday Starmer (and Reeves') names appeared on the Davos (AKA WEF) attendee list for its annual conference beginning today.
That's a pragmatic view and eminently sensible too. Unfortunately we have allowed our country to have been plundered by fantasists and the priority is to extricate them; therefore many of us will have to vote accordingly while pinching our nose.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
No it’s not - you can spoil your vote, can you imagine 20 million spoilt votes or even better getting none of thee above on the ballot paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Don’t think that’s relevant, the point of my message was that, despite my misgivings, I’ll be voting for Starmer and his party at the next election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
You'll be able to guess much of what follows.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The Red and Blues have an identical agenda.
Christ knows how many laws are on the statute book but the Red and Blues agree with all of them, ditto the numerous taxes which are never repealed. They are also as one about private bankers (the City of London) controlling the money supply with their fractional reserve scam and, well, I could drone on for yonks.
Mark Twain is said to have remarked "if voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it."
Well done on getting the Tories elected for another term with the lowest total vote count ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisperer
But not everyone is a smug defeatist like you and Mark Twain, Morgan. The Chartists, the Suffragettes (and Suffragists) and the Selma marchers all understood the power of the vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
There may not be a chasm between the red and blue options at the next election, but there is more than a crack. It makes a difference to a lot of people living with pain and bad health, trapped in the benefits supported gig economy and anyone desperate for a safe affordable home. Labour won’t transform many lives but they will make things marginally better than the current lot.
I am disgusted by the Labour leader and his controlling clique (for what they think, say and do - not for the way they look or sound) but I will vote for them. And swallow the bile! Marginal differences affect real lives.
The Tories will lose the next election I think Bob so you will have to find something else to moan about….reckon Labour will do the usual 2 terms then fall apart by going to lefty, a bit like the current shower did going to Tory. Starmer is so middle ground, almost another Bliar but trying not to show it….yetQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Bit of a cop-out there BobQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I've challenged forum members more than once prior who believe this Punch and Judy Blues and Red Show to be real to give just one example of either team ditching anything their pretend adversary introduced that they railed against when in Opposition then singularly failed to undo when they governed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
You nor anyone else could provide a single instance. Actually, I did give one albeit minuscule one (which is one more than you managed), the ban on union membership for GCHQ staff which was overturned.
Here's another opportunity for you and anyone else who disputes my assertion they have the same agenda to post something to the contrary that has merit.
The stage is yours.
I'm sure Bobsy knows it's a futile exercise but cannot bring himself to acknowledge that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Basically, that's all he has to do to win the next election. Offer a centrist government, and don't do anything to frighten the voters. In other words, sit down, be quiet, and smile a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I don’t have a crystal ball to see what a future right leaning Starmer government will do - but the last Labour government (similar political agenda but more charisma and more policies) brought in Sure Start, the Decent Homes Programme, more investment in the NHS (albeit alongside major privatisation) and a raft of redistribution measures on the quiet by Prudence Bruin in his budgets. Those made a difference to real people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Blair was also brown-nosing Murdoch, lying to promote an illegal war with his mate Bush, and acting as the ‘safe hands’ heir to Thatcher.
But the good stuff above was worth having.
It didn’t just fall from the skies either. It came from decades of pressure and campaigns by Labour members, affiliated unions and others who found ways of getting a Labour government to pass some progressive laws and tax/spend measures. The same will happen again as long as Labour has some remaining political and organisational ties to its roots and its base.
The stage is yours again!
But, but, but he's Tory Lite , bloody hell how quick the left can be centered , what happened to the Corbynistas and thier hatred of the alledged war criminal Blair and his European buddy Maddy.. they were more right wing than Boris ..Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Brilliant 👏
If I understand that word soup correctly you think there is something new about socialists who oppose Blair (and Starmer) giving their votes to Labour because that is better than the Tory alternative?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Why?
Socialists have done that since Labour was formed. It isn’t new and it shouldn’t be hard to understand.
He has been truthful many on this board won't recognise Labour's in grained anti semitic views at least he had balls to say “On behalf of the Labour Party, I am sorry,” he said. “And I will tear out this poison by its roots and judge success by the return of Jewish members and those who felt that they could no longer support us.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
He is deeply internationalist bod ..
Belongs to an organisation whose past members are very right wing globalist..
Nice avoidance seen your rants about Blair and centrist Labour to know this is a very bitter pill to swallow .. never mind in Sheffield you could vote for Rod Liddles social democrats party they think they can grab it .. enjoy the non left ride ..Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Poisonous drivel.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Although Starmer has been very active expelling elderly socialist Jews on the grounds that they are hopelessly antisemitic - because they reject a racist state ideology that Starmer claims as his own and they stand by ethnically cleansed and victimised Palestinians despite the personal and political cost.
From a left wing publication :
https://labourheartlands.com/sir-kei...al-commission/
Sir Keir Starmer: The Trilateral Commission and Jeffrey Epstein
It should, therefore, be very concerning when we find that the Labour Party Leader Sir Keir Starmer is a member of an organisation that believes, we the people have too much freedom, too much democracy.
An organisation that believes the working class and the masses should be removed from any democratic process leaving the issues of democracy and government to the elite, the establishment.
In English?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with this Jewish issue; pray why?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
You had the chance to highlight reforms Labour moaned and groaned about during 18 years under Thatcher and Major which they could have undone during their 13 years under Blair and Brown. You failed because they did too. The Tories privatising essential services and plenty besides that wasn't nailed down to carpet baggers, along with decapitating workers' rights, stand out.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
The next government will be a Great Reset one pushing net zero at every turn, and it'll matter not a jot whether the Blues or Reds occupy the government benches because that's the agenda they both share.
You are mostly right about that - but as you know my point is that Labour did other things in government that helped ordinary people - things that the Tories would not have done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
If you are trying to get me to give Labour a spray of perfume, you are wasting your time.
Yeah, I've pointed out several times he's a member of an arch-globalist club.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Also, a former KC and Director of Public Prosecutions. With or without bagging a knighthood as well he'd be heavily odds-on to be a Freemason too. He hasn't appeared on any Bilderberg attendee lists thus far. I'll have to check sources whether he's shown his mug at Davos today.
not sure about Starmer but Man utd are corporate sponsorsQuote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">���� Manchester United stand at WEF23 in Davos. They are corporate sponsors. �� <a href="https://t.co/1mQ0k65nZz">pic.twitter.com/1mQ0k65nZz</a></p>— Anti WEF (@ANTlWEF) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANTlWEF/status/1615093742041440256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 16, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
It might explain why both the Chairman and CEO of that club are named on the Davos attendee list I linked to yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOZZER2
Sir William Hague heading to Davos , may share hotels with Sir Tony Bier .. as they are on the same wavelength and both like fish for breakfast ..
I will vote for starmer as the alternative is the Tories
Is it the least worst option ?
Yes but I will never vote for the conservatives
I would like labour and the liberals to merge and keep the Tories out for ever
This is shocking news if true.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You would be voting modern Labour/Conservative, there is virtually no difference, everything will be the same but for the name on the lectern when he comes out to make a speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You'll never live it down, you've sold out, and proper socialist policies will be killed if he gets in he has crushed Corbyn, McDonnell, McClusky, Abbott, Milne, and Long-Baily, they will be gone forever.
If he does get in, which he probably will, it will be the socialists out forever :hehe:
Good old Kier is doing a better job of killing them off than the Tories :thumbup:
I would say Tory light, I would say Modern Labour/Conservative alternative, they are virtually the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I can think of a few areas where they are miles apart. Certainly further apart than 2010 and probably 2015.Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue