Anyone else happy with Tan?

I can’t say I’m as up to speed with all the goings on with the club as I used to be, but for me the problem seems to be Dalman and Choo and how the club is ran, rather then Tans ownership? Hasn’t he put a lot of money in?

I do realise that Tan should be doing more to move those two on and bring in some people who know what they’re doing but seeing TAN OUT banners makes me feel very uneasy.

I hated when we changed to red but he listened eventually and changed it back.
He’s developed part of the ground.
We’ve spent god knows how much on transfers and wages and managers over the years. Got promoted twice..

I actually quite like having Tan as an owner compared to what some fans of other clubs have been through.

Am I being a total melon here and missing something obvious?

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Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

Am I being a total melon here and missing something obvious?

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Yes
We've lurched from crisis to crisis all under his Stewardship.
How the hell he ever became a billionaire beats the shit out of me.
He put people in place to "run" the club its all down to him.

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Originally Posted by insider

Yes
We've lurched from crisis to crisis all under his Stewardship.
How the hell he ever became a billionaire beats the shit out of me.
He put people in place to "run" the club its all down to him.

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A lot of fans would be jealous of our “crises”

Are you sure you want to roll the dice on another owner? Better the devil you know.

There should be Dalman out banners is my point.

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Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

I can’t say I’m as up to speed with all the goings on with the club as I used to be, but for me the problem seems to be Dalman and Choo and how the club is ran, rather then Tans ownership? Hasn’t he put a lot of money in?

I do realise that Tan should be doing more to move those two on and bring in some people who know what they’re doing but seeing TAN OUT banners makes me feel very uneasy.

I hated when we changed to red but he listened eventually and changed it back.
He’s developed part of the ground.
We’ve spent god knows how much on transfers and wages and managers over the years. Got promoted twice..

I actually quite like having Tan as an owner compared to what some fans of other clubs have been through.

Am I being a total melon here and missing something obvious?

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On money put into the club alone, there’s a pro Tan argument to be made, but can I ask whether you think we are going to improve any time soon if he stays on?

How can Tan not be the problem and the blame rest with Dalman and Choo if he employed them and, this is the worst bit for me, continues to employ them despite the club being a laughing stock?

If Dalman and Choo are yes men then it is the same result. The blame lies with the same person.

The running of this club is nothing short of shambolic.

Video compilations of players scoring from their own half being shown to players who struggle to pass the ball 4 yards ffs.

A lot of our problems could be solved if he put decent people in charge to run the club for him, without the need for him to walk away. He's showing no signs of doing that though.

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Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

A lot of fans would be jealous of our “crises”

Are you sure you want to roll the dice on another owner? Better the devil you know.

There should be Dalman out banners is my point.

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There doesn't need to be a new owner.

I would be more than happy if the current owner ran this club in a proper manner. I'm sure his accountant would be too.

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Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

I can’t say I’m as up to speed with all the goings on with the club as I used to be, but for me the problem seems to be Dalman and Choo and how the club is ran, rather then Tans ownership? Hasn’t he put a lot of money in?

I do realise that Tan should be doing more to move those two on and bring in some people who know what they’re doing but seeing TAN OUT banners makes me feel very uneasy.

I hated when we changed to red but he listened eventually and changed it back.
He’s developed part of the ground.
We’ve spent god knows how much on transfers and wages and managers over the years. Got promoted twice..

I actually quite like having Tan as an owner compared to what some fans of other clubs have been through.

Am I being a total melon here and missing something obvious?

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to be fair, everything you have said it right, I personally think if Tan had done what Rob and Ryan had done at wrexham and installed a " Advisor to the Board " ( as they call it ) or Director of football ( as people have been asking for on here ) in Shaun Harvey things would have been different

though saying that, they have put Humphrey Ker at Executive Director and he knows very little about football, so who knows

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

On money put into the club alone, there’s a pro Tan argument to be made, but can I ask whether you think we are going to improve any time soon if he stays on?

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I think the money into the club is the only pro Tan argument.

I am struggling to think of many more.

Compiling a board - Failure
Managerial appointments - Failure
Signings while part of the transfer committee - Failure
Changing Club Colours - Failure
Earwig on badge - Failure

I'd even go as far as saying his money in is a failure if you look at what it has been used for and created. Again, all down to him

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

I think the money into the club is the only pro Tan argument.

I am struggling to think of many more.

Compiling a board - Failure
Managerial appointments - Failure
Signings while part of the transfer committee - Failure
Changing Club Colours - Failure
Earwig on badge - Failure

I'd even go as far as saying his money in is a failure if you look at what it has been used for and created. Again, all down to him

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2 promotions?

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Originally Posted by Hilts

2 promotions?

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Ah see, now you've gone and spoilt it! :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Hilts

2 promotions?

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For what ?
We never stayed up and parachute payments were spanked up the wall

Stadium expansion.

The trouble with the anti-Tan argument is that no-one seems to be able to spell out a credible alternative. If there was a viable one that everyone could see and judge for themselves this anti Tan movement might get some traction. Just ifs, buts and maybe's at the moment.

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Originally Posted by insider

For what ?
We never stayed up and parachute payments were spanked up the wall

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Not disputing that but for balance highlighting positives. Considering the negatives of poor managerial appts and signings weve had 2 promotions.

Also the Football League Championship trophy.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Stadium expansion.

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Bailed us out from the rugby boys and the taxman!

If he had only appointed a decent football man, (who would have picked a decent manager), instead of Dalman and Choo we could be flying now!

Tan was part of a consortium that bought a controlling stake in City. Headed up by Dato Chan Tien Ghee.
They installed Malky.

Tien Ghee left the club just over a month before we were promoted on March 1 2013. The club stated
'We are greatly indebted to TG, who since joining in 2010 has been instrumental in the progress of the club to where it is today, and we wish to record our deep appreciation for his invaluable contributions and efforts.'

Take a look at the managerial appointments and the way the club has been run since then.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Bailed us out from the rugby boys and the taxman!

If he had only appointed a decent football man, who would have picked a decent manager, instead of Dalman and Choo we could be flying now!

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That is what is needed.
Football men advising and making football decisions.

If it is as simple as giving Tan the final say on say 4 options that will work to varying degrees it would be something.

You can't have a bash at football and hope for the best.
Well you can but the club will be a lot lower than it currently is.

Maybe it’s better the devil you know, he keeps us an afloat. I do feel the club need a new direction and leadership though. A new owner might work, but first you have to find someone willing to buy us. Then you have to hope they are actually good for the club. So many owners promise the world and deliver on nothing before selling up and doing a runner.

I see it as needing one of two things.

1. Tan realising what is needed and getting football people to at least advise him. A Director of Football reporting in to Tan would see this club transform almost overnight. Even, dare I say it, a Warnock type figure who massages everybody's ego but leaves the footballing playing side and signings to the manager ultimately.

2. He remains stubborn, takes us down as far as possible, and fans will demand change sooner or later. In this instance a new owner will be needed at some stage.

I imagine Swansea fans are pretty happy

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Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

I can’t say I’m as up to speed with all the goings on with the club as I used to be, but for me the problem seems to be Dalman and Choo and how the club is ran, rather then Tans ownership? Hasn’t he put a lot of money in?

I do realise that Tan should be doing more to move those two on and bring in some people who know what they’re doing but seeing TAN OUT banners makes me feel very uneasy.

I hated when we changed to red but he listened eventually and changed it back.
He’s developed part of the ground.
We’ve spent god knows how much on transfers and wages and managers over the years. Got promoted twice..

I actually quite like having Tan as an owner compared to what some fans of other clubs have been through.

Am I being a total melon here and missing something obvious?

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Problem is he wants the final say on things he hasn’t got a clue about, Dalman and choo are just yes men and let it happen hence we lose millions every month from their own incompetence. We ever sold any managers like the jacks? We’ve barely sold any players let alone managers, most of whom never work again…..

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Originally Posted by insider

Yes
We've lurched from crisis to crisis all under his Stewardship.
How the hell he ever became a billionaire beats the shit out of me.
He put people in place to "run" the club its all down to him.

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Wasn’t he handed the franchise for Macdonalds in Malaysia? Like a licence to print money…..

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Originally Posted by Hilts

2 promotions?

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Almost pointless….

Can some take a stab at a guess as to why Tan is still interested in the club? It baffles me completely.

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Originally Posted by goats

Wasn’t he handed the franchise for Macdonalds in Malaysia? Like a licence to print money…..

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Given how high he can hoist his trousers, I dare say he hasn't got a couple of quarter pounders swinging away down below....

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Can some take a stab at a guess as to why Tan is still interested in the club? It baffles me completely.

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I can certainly see why Dalman's firm with their virtually guaranteed return on their investment are interested.

I wouldn't use the word happy but I'm not against him.

I'd assume most people are in the same boat.

All the hate stems from a few poor managerial choices (and as such player recruitment), but ones many on here agreed with at the time.

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Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

I can’t say I’m as up to speed with all the goings on with the club as I used to be, but for me the problem seems to be Dalman and Choo and how the club is ran, rather then Tans ownership?

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You're apparently missing the fact that Mehmet Dalman was brought into the club more than a decade ago by Vincent Tan and elevated to the position of Chairman by Tan, while Ken Choo is merely one of Tan's stooges - an employee who does what he's told.

Make no mistake, it's Tan who controls CCFC, not his subordinates.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

All the hate stems from a few poor managerial choices (and as such player recruitment), but ones many on here agreed with at the time.

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Yeah, that's all it is....

:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Cardiff-Cal

A lot of fans would be jealous of our “crises”

Are you sure you want to roll the dice on another owner? Better the devil you know.

There should be Dalman out banners is my point.

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I can't imagine one set of fans would be jealous of our change of colour from blue to red, I went along with it but when questioned by anyone you just had to agree, it was ridiculous and caused so much harm to the club.
The Sala case has been another stick to beat us with and could have been handled so much better.
Add in a total lack of communication with the fans and putting a car salesman and a bean counter in charge of the club yer I guess there's rivers of jealousy up and down the country.

Sala transfer. Why did Tan say yes to Warnock when the transfer committee had aleady opposed it. Biggest mistake in the history of CCFC ?

From Tan's point of view I believe it's a lack of trust in football people to protect his investment in the club that's the issue. Having had his fingers burnt by some poor expensive purchases by Malky and Warnock, he is probably reluctant to employ a DoF/Advisor, believing incorrectly that he can steer the club in the right direction without any outside 'interference'.

It is surprising though that he hasn't looked at the success of teams like Brighton and Brentford and tried to emulate the planning that has gone into making them the thriving clubs they are today.

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Originally Posted by Enoch Mort

Sala transfer. Why did Tan say yes to Warnock when the transfer committee had aleady opposed it. Biggest mistake in the history of CCFC ?

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So Tan backed the manager but gets criticised for it?

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Originally Posted by Hilts

2 promotions?

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Followed by immediate relegations.

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

From Tan's point of view I believe it's a lack of trust in football people to protect his investment in the club that's the issue. Having had his fingers burnt by some poor expensive purchases by Malky and Warnock, he is probably reluctant to employ a DoF/Advisor, believing incorrectly that he can steer the club in the right direction without any outside 'interference'.

It is surprising though that he hasn't looked at the success of teams like Brighton and Brentford and tried to emulate the planning that has gone into making them the thriving clubs they are today.

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Hasn't he just built a new complex to try and bring through more academy players?

I'm baffled there seems to be people who still want to support him.

I can't get into this "better the Devil you know" argument. That throws any ambition out of the window and I actually think it's a form of Stockholm syndrome.

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Originally Posted by Moodybluebird

It is surprising though that he hasn't looked at the success of teams like Brighton and Brentford and tried to emulate the planning that has gone into making them the thriving clubs they are today.

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I'm not a regular watcher of The Apprentice but the one thing that strikes home whenever a task fails is usually a lack of preparation or research into it. It's usually fatal when candidates on there think they know what they're doing based on gut instinct or misguided belief.

Tan bought us without knowing a single thing about owning a football club. He's got a board that knows nothing about football. Has he, at any stage, looked at how other successful clubs operate? I doubt it.

Managers always seem to rate Dalman highly, but I wonder if that's down to Dalman not having a scooby doo and gives managers some sort of free reign, as much as Tan will allow, anyway?

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

So Tan backed the manager but gets criticised for it?

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I'm not sure why Tan gets criticism for the signing. I can see why he is criticised for how they've dealt with it after.

Warnock was simply asking for a striker he thought might help keep us up. Nobody was to know what was to come.