Easiest job in the world being a fan..............
But what is a well run club?????
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Easiest job in the world being a fan..............
But what is a well run club?????
Has ambition but spends within its meansQuote:
Originally Posted by Its been emotional
Has a vision and a plan that is communicated throughout
Has a clear style of play
Values and communicates with fans
Reaches out to the immediate and surrounding communities
Has good structures for scouting and developing local young talent
Full time CEO with a football background and a Director of Football.
An owner that appoints the above carefully then leaves them to run the club.
Is there many examples of these clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
Bayern Munich?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
No there’s not manyQuote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
I’d say there are a lot of clubs that tick more of those boxes than us, though
I think having ambition and spending within their means is massively difficult. I think WBA did it for a while but then they were a yo-yo club, guess that could be classed as lacking ambition. It’s fine line.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
Apart from the money, money Clubs, must be to stay afloat in the current climate?
I think If it’s communicated effectively you can have ambition and make small gradual steps in the right direction. Improvements in playing style, improvements in personnel. It takes time, and goes alongside many of the other pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
I disagree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its been emotional
Some clubs stay afloat because of someone who is potentially a lunatic paying money in every month. If the wind changes they’d be in trouble.
That’s not a well run club
I don’t like saying this, but Swansea are. They’re run properly (per the description) and spend within their means, even if their owners tend to be a bit stingy.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
Most clubs have had periods when they have had massive debts
The difference between us and them is that they can eventually service them or get sold and they are covered on bigger loans
Arsenal were massively in debt a few years ago
As an Investor/Buyer where would your hard earned money end up going?
If you are not a fan of the club
I would get the foundations right mehmet before spending any bigger money on transfersQuote:
Originally Posted by Its been emotional
But this would mean Mehmet getting rid of Mehmet.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfeathers
A Plan for the future
Recruitment strategy
Communication strategy
Transparency
Honesty
The ability to appoint football people where needed
The ability to admit when you are wrong
Financial nous
Engagement with the fans
Consultation with the fans
Everything our club hasn’t done
Freiburg
Brentford
Comparing a championship club in massive debt like Cardiff to an institution like Arsenal is utterly pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Top 6 clubs are selling for billions of pounds, their debt is like the average man having a little bit of debt on his credit card, or a little bit of finance left to pay on a car.
Everything our club has done outside of two promotions.
Do the total opposite of that.
Don't employ people that have no knowledge of the jobs they are hired to do, get somebody in that is experienced and has the required skills.
Manager appointments. See above.
Do not walk into a traditional club and alienate the fans by changng things they hold dear. The colours and badge are not to be changed.
Do not continue with an academy that has produced nothing for years and trundle along and then throw any kid with a pulse into the first team.
Do not go to the Premier League twice and build a squad to get promoted from the Championship while there. Try to stay there as you've done the hardest part.
They are a good call, I’m not sure what sort of debt if any they have but that’s a club who have had an identity over several years.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Brighton?Quote:
Originally Posted by Its been emotional
Seems to me that the original question suggests that we are a well run club - we’re a text book example of a poorly run club. I think the whole Sala thing has been handled poorly, but the answers from Dalman to the questions on Sala were a reminder that City we’re incredibly unlucky to have been put in the situation in the first place. So, you’ve got to make allowances there, but, that apart, we’ve got so many things wrong in recent years.
Read the second lineQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I think a well-run Club should:
1) Have a vision for the future: ie 2yr, 5yr & 10yr.
2) That vision to be achieved by stated long, medium and short term plans.
3) Has off-field staff (Owner, CEO, Chairman, Financial Director & Director of Football) who know and are tasked to deliver 1 & 2.
4) Has a Manager/Coach and coaching staff tasked to deliver 1 & 2.
5) Always have a list of prospective managers and players in each of these 3 categories (hopeful targets, reasonable targets and projects).
6) Honours its employees ie a duty of care (whether school-boy or seasoned pro).
7) Regular Shareholders' and fans' meetings.
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Palace. Southampton.
Swansea City
Allowances do need to be made. If it were Brentford or Brighton that this had happened to, would their fans be so quick to rush to judgment about the way the board of their clubs had handled the situation? The answer is no.
Absolutely no. Unfortunately internet message boards whip up hysteria and realities become blurred. Have VT and his supporting cast made an utter mess? Yes. Have they been utterly undignified regards Sala? Not that I can see. Especially in a situation that is pretty much unprecedented and one in which the club must be guided by lawyers. I certainly would not have wanted to pay out without understanding how I became an unwilling victim in this tragedy.
Brighton fans were extremely volatile and proactive in their opposition to a chairman that left them playing on a school fieldQuote:
Originally Posted by Harry Bosch
Apparently £450 million in debt arent they? I can’t work out how mindQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Yes but that was a long time ago. I know two Brighton season ticket holders and they adore everything about their club
I reckon that a football club denying it had signed a player following his death, having previously publicly announced his signing on its own website was somewhat undignified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Bosch
Not to mention trying to insure him after the plane vanished. Denied by the club, of course.....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
More on Brighton: how they make use of sister clubs to loan out players they’ve acquired, so there’s a production line of talent.
Have we ever lent players to Kortrijk or Sarajevo for their development?
The only transaction I can think of is when Kortrijk bought Zohar’s, then loaned him to us to get around avtransfer embargo.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64403578
One that puts the best and most knowledgable people it can afford in positions that make a big difference at the club.
They get the most they can from the academy, their scouts, new signings, existing squad and manager where possible.
They learn from mistakes. They do not repeat them or compound a bad decision with another. They make shrewd and clever decisions where possible. Learning from clubs who have gone in the direction they need to go in previously.
They run the club sustainably and if they are hemorrhaging money look at the reasons for this and stem that flow where possible rather than continuing to blindly pay it and think this is just the way it is.
They take money from fans who want to spend money. They make sure the website for tickets, merchandise and information regarding all of this is as good as it can be and take money if fans want to spend it.
Most of all they realise a club is nothing without fans and communicate with them at every step of the journey.
I would add that well run clubs have a common goal or ethos that most at that club buy into.
They take action in pursuit of this goal rather than being reactionary to any crisis that may arise from lack of planning or knowledge.
They also listen to fans more than anything.
What business can survive by not listening to the people that pay their money, in effect the customers? Not many.
Obviously very early and big fish in a small pond so far, but Wrexham are doing everything the right way to this point.
Building bridges with the fans and respecting the clubs history
Experienced knowledgeable CEO in charge of football affairs making the day to day decisions
Picking a manager based on experience and philosophy and sticking with him even when fans are restless or immediate success isn’t achieved
Investment in the club in terms of infrastructure and development
Willing to get the checkbook out when the manager and scouting staff deem it wise
Some of those Tan has done in the past to him to be fair, but he’s failed miserably on a number of them as well and I’d argue the most important ones he missed from the start.
I think it is all about understanding and attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by LA Bluebird
I watched the first few episodes of 'Welcome to Wrexham' last night and they respect the fans, their tradition and work with them rather than doing what they like with no real rhyme or reason to it.
It is a world away from what is happening here.
The fans, from one crisis to another, seem as in the dark as ever as to what is going on. If anything the lack of communication has got worse, if that is even possible.
Look at the Kaba situation as a typical example of people not knowing what is going on, including our new manager it seems.
I concur. That programme is a real eye opener.
It’s also frustrating, because they make it look relatively easy, so why can’t our owner do this?
He should be forced to watch an episode.