City rumours include Lyle Taylor (Forest) connor Wickham(unattached).
Not exactly jumping with joy but may be a bit better than what we've got.
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City rumours include Lyle Taylor (Forest) connor Wickham(unattached).
Not exactly jumping with joy but may be a bit better than what we've got.
Source or no playQuote:
Originally Posted by Former Labour leader
Lyle Taylor hasn't played this season but was signed by Sabri Lamouchi in the summer of 2020 so is certainly a possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Labour leader
Where did you hear this??
I read a thread about Lamouchi on a Forest board and there were one or two criticisms of his transfer buys during the summer of 2020. Taylor wasn't mentioned, it was more criticism of the signings as a group, but seven goals in fifty seven league appearances for Forest isn't great. To balance that, he'd scored eleven in twenty two for Charlton in the Championship in 19/20 before he went on "strike" and five in fourteen on loan at Birmingham isn't bad. However, he'll be thirty two in March and so he's hardly going to improve now. Can't say I'm too enthusiastic about the thought of him, or Wickham, coming here, but, realistically, I'd say they represent the market we're probably dealing in during this window.
Realistically any striker we get in this window given our restrictions to a free transfer or a loan is going to be a young unproven one like Etete or someone like Taylor or Wickham who are over 30 ( Wickham is 30 in March) much like Hugill last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Wickham and Hugill's scoring records are pretty similar at around the 50 mark, but Tayor has scored around 170 in his career. Admittedly a lot were scored at non league level but about 115 have been scored in the league or Scottish Premier.
Anyway we will know by Tuesday night.
We need a minimum 3 good players to go straight in the side. Otherwise we are in deep sh!t.
No signings at all while our rivals have strengthed is asking for trouble.
We don't need 'more options', just better players who will make a relatively quick and positive impact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
We don't need any more 'projects' either.
We need solid signings that will improve the first team.
Sadly, the mismanagement of the embargo has seen us looking for those signings in a pool that is a lot smaller than most of our rivals.
I would rather take a chance on a few loans than the names mentioned.
If we can get a few from big clubs, preferably of course, players who can hit the ground running, it would obviously be far better than players nobody wants!
I understand what you mean but our current loans are not great are they. Kipre head and shoulders above the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninja
Not sure we, as a club, have our finger on the pulse regarding the loan market either. If you let your player of the year from the previous season go to another Championship club then it isn't great is it.
I would have thought that if we do bring in anyone it'll be someone who has already been identified by the recruitment department, rather than just who the manager (who is potentially only here for 15 weeks) wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
You must be taking the piss, :hehe:, recruitment department, who brought us the likes of Ojo :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
He would certainly give us options up front and would seem like a realistic target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Move on with your life. ObsessedQuote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
While ojo has been disappointing hes actually been one of our better players over the last few weeks. Statistically he's put in more crosses and passed his man more than anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
I understand the bar is pretty low, as no one is playing particularly well at present. But constantly picking out one player for criticism, who certainly isn't our worst player over recent months, is immature.
Our problems have not been with individuals, but lack of tactics, confidence, striker/goals, nastiness and leadership.
You’re wasting your time. He’s blinded by his hatred.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
Our squad is not a great one but a decent manager should be able to squeeze enough out of these players to simply stay out of the bottom three. We are crying out for more talent but that won’t be the difference between staying up or not.
No hatred here, he’s just not good enough for this league. It’s not his fault that managers keep on picking him.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
I agree, he's very very poor. I'm surprised others here see anything remotely good in him but it's all about opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
ojo should suit lamouchi's playing styleQuote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
I remember some fat fingers bloke in the family stand (no kids) who would turn up pissed and just shout at Manga all game every game even when he did nothing wrong. Some people are just like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
He’s become the new scape goat, he has had some terrible games like most but hasn’t been half as bad as some on here make out. With coke confidence he could be a real asset. He’s played pretty much his entire career at this level. If you believe wiki then he was a goal machine before he arrived here (clearly something wrong with wiki lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
Gabriele Biancheri - what the????
Did we have a choice in the matter? One of our most promising youngsters - AND a striker at that islet go to Man Utd......
When do we ever learn?
I doubt if we had much choice. We can't offer a category one Academy or the wages that Man United can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
Would we have got any sort of fee? Sell on clause? Or maybe we have a good negotiator who said ok.....if you will let us have a few players on loan.....on the other hand perhaps we don't have such a person...Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardM
Think fees are generic based on certain factors. No option to negotiate as far as I'm aware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
Cat 1 doesn't automatically protect us either. It's a bit of a shit show and a double edged sword atm.
It's pretty cut and dried with EPPP. We don't really get a say in it. It's all fixed, and it ain't much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
While we aren't good enough on the whole. Leadership will help but Klopp and Guardiola would struggle to get a tune out of some of our players at the moment. The next 36 hours are crucial to the football club. The fact we are saying this after 17 players came in is an indictment of the shocking transfer window that we've just had. There are so few goals in the squad, nobody is remotely close to a regular goalscorer. Nobody in the squad has got double figures since 18-19.Quote:
Originally Posted by AfricanBluebird
Ojo isn't awful but he's not great. He's a bottom half Champ player at best because he is occasionally very good but usually garbage.
Striker, centre mid and a left back please.
there is no negotiation, they've offered him a contract to go there, and he can go for minimal compensation whether we want him to go or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
it's a fixed amount per year he's been in our academy, like £25k per year or something, and there's nothing we can do about it.
players can't sign a professional contract until they're 16.
What do you think we (the club) should learn in this situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maurice Swan
Matondo, Crew, Biancheri.... the club is not able to hold on to these 'wonderkids' if a big club wants them. We will get minimal compensation but a reputation for developing talent.... which itself makes clubs like Cardiff bigger targets for the rich and powerful.
There is nothing to learn. It is not right, but it is the way it is. Clubs and fans should maybe do more to get the system changed so it is fairer for smaller clubs, but for now the odds are stacked against us.
The problem isn’t the quality (or lack of) from Morisons signings, it’s the fact that he was supposed to put the squad together for free.
By the time the board decided we could no longer carry on with Watters leading the line and found money for a striker, Morison was dismissed 24 hours later.
Our plight is all to do with the board
Apparently, there’s an incoming transfer in progress.
https://twitter.com/darrenowitcoop/s...XxKTTPQDTPIFzA
I think the inability to sign a striker, which has haunted us all season was down to our budget and left firstly to signing Robinson at the last minute and then to both Morison’s and Hudson’s downfalls.
It was Morison's decision, though. Pack, Vaulks, Flint, Bacuna, etc all had one year options. We didn't have to get rid of Phillips or McGuinness in the summer. We lost the very good loans in the summer and they've been poorly replaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by DubaiDai
We spent 500k on Etete and 1.5m on Robinson. Of the 17 how many are good enough to go now? Whatever you think of the players that went, we lost about 14 regulars in the summer. How many are upgrades? We've brought in a lot of gambles and very few have paid off. Robinson wasn't a silver bullet for Morison, either. He's not a number 9 and the squad Morison's bought hasn't got any goals in it from elsewhere.
The board are useless but Morison shouldn't get off scot-free. A complete ripping up of the recruitment staff is needed.
Our budget isn't that small and hasn't been used well. We have used 31 players so far, that's a lot of wasted wages that could have been better spent elsewhere. Our squad is enormous, and filled with rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw
Do you really think any of those names you mention (other than McGuiness which was an odd decision but everyone on this board thought he was crap at the end of last season too) are championship standard and would have improved us in the slightest?
Yes, Morison was incredibly naive to not get a striker and should shoulder some of the blame but equally you don’t get championship goal scorers for peanuts, we sold Kieffer for 5m and then Morison was expected to replace like for like with far less… Robinson a desperate roll of the dice when most of the remotely affordable options already off the table and now we can’t even pay a fee for the next few windows we are in an even worse situation. I will agree on Etete and paying a fee for him seems bizarre but equally… at this level what does 500k actually get you?
Lots of talk about Taylor and Wickham not being good enough for what we need, may be true but no idea who people think are walking through the door on a free or a loan with no fee attached at the end of the January window.
5% sell on as part of development, however this is spread across all clubs who contribute to the development (not sure what age they stop), so now Utd will have a slice. Thanks to Brexit this is the norm as teams in the UK can no longer sign youth from the continent. Scotland already moaning as they are being raided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
its pretty obvious we were trying to get a number 9 but there were quite a few other championship clubs after them and precious few the right quality available.Quote:
Originally Posted by LA Bluebird
I think Hugill was probably out main target but Norwich didn't let him go until recently.
what's for sure is Morison wasn't playing Harris and Watters out of preference, just we didn't get anyone else. neither featured much at the end of last season.
I think all of the centre halves and centre mids we let go are massive upgrades over Simpson and Sawyers. Flint was starting over Nelson last season, too. We've got ourselves in a position where Gavin Whyte was a regular at one point, things have not gone well.Quote:
Originally Posted by LA Bluebird
Drameh, Doyle, Doughty, Hugill and Uche are all better than what we have now.
You say like for like with less, but we signed 17 players and didn't let 17 go. We could have run with a squad of 22 players supplemented with youth, and that 22 could have been of higher quality because we could have paid them more money, or used the wages saved on transfer fees. Our squad is still massive. I imagine it's that big because he saw some of the players he signed and realised they're miles off it.
It is practically impossible for Wickham and Taylor to be downgrades on what we have.
Not expecting him to be Maradonna but if he'd get to Paul Merson level then I'd be happyQuote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
Paul merson played about 400 premier league games didn't he? I'd be delighted if he reaches his levelQuote:
Originally Posted by bigjoe