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Ford to cut 1 in 5 jobs in the UK
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64629072
Bridgend would have never survived anyway and is a worry for things to come, particularly for the automotive sector
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WJ99mobile
It’s been struggling for years but without batteries being made in the uk it’ll probably get wiped out altogether in the years to come.
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superfeathers
It’s been struggling for years but without batteries being made in the uk it’ll probably get wiped out altogether in the years to come.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/br...-hague-2092428
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I can't remember where I saw it but basically the amount of cars produced in the UK has collapsed since 2016, its a total mystery as to why..
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WJ99mobile
The UK car industry has been one of assembling things for many years
I would imagine the move to electric cars has completely killed it ?
The second hand car business is like hot cakes apparently
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The UK car industry has been one of assembling things for many years
I would imagine the move to electric cars has completely killed it ?
The second hand car business is like hot cakes apparently
New car sales dropped off a cliff in recent years, for obvious reasons, and many of those who would have bought new vehicles therefore didn't release their existing vehicles into the used car pool.
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Doucas
I can't remember where I saw it but basically the amount of cars produced in the UK has collapsed since 2016, its a total mystery as to why..
I'll help you. I'm guessing you saw it on a pro-EU website that started their data in 2016, misunderstands correlation and causation and ignored data from other countries such as Germany and France that have basically seen identical declines.
Am I right?
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Taunton Blue Genie
New car sales dropped off a cliff in recent years, for obvious reasons, and many of those who would have bought new vehicles therefore didn't release their existing vehicles into the used car pool.
I have a ten year old Ford c max
55 k on the clock
Petrol
Mechanic reckons it will easily run for another 10 years
I won't be changing it
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There’s a global shortage of Semi Conductors
That’s why the brand new car sales market has slumped and the second hand car market has seen a massive increase
I ran my 15 plate for three years and sold it for two thousand more than I bought it for - nuts
That’s why the likes of previously unknown car sellers whom we hadn’t heard of are at the moment doing so well
Cazoo/Motorway/Cinch/Webuyanycar etc
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
I'll help you. I'm guessing you saw it on a pro-EU website that started their data in 2016, misunderstands correlation and causation and ignored data from other countries such as Germany and France that have basically seen identical declines.
Am I right?
I’d be interested to see the data that basically shows an identical decline
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This goes up to 2021
https://www.acea.auto/figure/eu-pass...ar-production/
Germany made 5.5m cars in 2016
In 2021 it was 2.8m. a 47% decline
France made 1.6m in 2016
In 2021 it was 800,000. A 46% decline
Italy made 728,000 in 2016
In 2021 it was 432,000. A 43% decline
UK made 1.7m in 2016
In 2021 it was 859,000. A 49% decline.
Change the parameters slightly (compare 2018 with 2021 for example) and the figures shift slightly, ie France's decline exceeds ours.
EU generally is down but there seems to be a shift from the big countries above to other countries like Portugal and Romania.
Worldwide there seems to have been a decisive shift since Covid and a decline in many countries since around 2015/2016/2017.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country...car-production
Good news? Not really (unless you want to see less cars being made for environmental reasons in which case, fair enough) but when the four largest economies in Europe are all seeing pretty much the same declines it does rather suggest that the cause is probably more complex than what is it implied by Doucas.
And if we care about these jobs and the UK automotive sector then I would say getting to the crux of the issue is key
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Recorded big drop in sales qtr 4 last year .
Ford is no longer a go to car for many they are dated .
Far east markets are the new kings.
Not Brexts fault.
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Re: Ford to cut 1 in 5 jobs in the UK
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
This goes up to 2021
https://www.acea.auto/figure/eu-pass...ar-production/
Germany made 5.5m cars in 2016
In 2021 it was 2.8m. a 47% decline
France made 1.6m in 2016
In 2021 it was 800,000. A 46% decline
Italy made 728,000 in 2016
In 2021 it was 432,000. A 43% decline
UK made 1.7m in 2016
In 2021 it was 859,000. A 49% decline.
Change the parameters slightly (compare 2018 with 2021 for example) and the figures shift slightly, ie France's decline exceeds ours.
EU generally is down but there seems to be a shift from the big countries above to other countries like Portugal and Romania.
Worldwide there seems to have been a decisive shift since Covid and a decline in many countries since around 2015/2016/2017.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country...car-production
Good news? Not really (unless you want to see less cars being made for environmental reasons in which case, fair enough) but when the four largest economies in Europe are all seeing pretty much the same declines it does rather suggest that the cause is probably more complex than what is it implied by Doucas.
And if we care about these jobs and the UK automotive sector then I would say getting to the crux of the issue is key
The crux is Brexit as anyone with a modicum of intelligence would admit.
Jimbo, simple question - when did the decline in UK car production begin? Here's the answer for you: https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/manufacturing/
Also, note the biggest export market for UK cars? Yes, folks it's currently 53% to the EU.
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life on mars
Not Brexts fault.
It's a Brexit dividend
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I have a ten year old Ford c max
55 k on the clock
Petrol
Mechanic reckons it will easily run for another 10 years
I won't be changing it
I'm not driving a Mini Metro, Sludge!
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Re: Ford to cut 1 in 5 jobs in the UK
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
This goes up to 2021
https://www.acea.auto/figure/eu-pass...ar-production/
Germany made 5.5m cars in 2016
In 2021 it was 2.8m. a 47% decline
France made 1.6m in 2016
In 2021 it was 800,000. A 46% decline
Italy made 728,000 in 2016
In 2021 it was 432,000. A 43% decline
UK made 1.7m in 2016
In 2021 it was 859,000. A 49% decline.
Change the parameters slightly (compare 2018 with 2021 for example) and the figures shift slightly, ie France's decline exceeds ours.
EU generally is down but there seems to be a shift from the big countries above to other countries like Portugal and Romania.
Worldwide there seems to have been a decisive shift since Covid and a decline in many countries since around 2015/2016/2017.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country...car-production
Good news? Not really (unless you want to see less cars being made for environmental reasons in which case, fair enough) but when the four largest economies in Europe are all seeing pretty much the same declines it does rather suggest that the cause is probably more complex than what is it implied by Doucas.
And if we care about these jobs and the UK automotive sector then I would say getting to the crux of the issue is key
Even just going on those figures they aren’t a basically identical decline. The uk has declined more than them all. It’s hard to then not put two and two together
I’m not one for saying brexit is the fault of everything and clearly there’s a similar trend, but it has made a bad situation worse. It’s certainly not going to get better in the automotive sector anytime soon because of Brexit. Also important to remember there’s plenty not even in that data yet eg Honda
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The pandemic was presumably a leveller over recent years? It all seems to be about electric cars and huge battery producing factories moving forwards and as things stand it appears the scale of investment in the EU will dwarf the UK.
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I'm the biggest advocate of remain on here, but you can't blame the falling car market on that as much as we want to.
The US government are pumping hundreds of billions into grants for manufacturers to open new facilities in the USA. We are seeing a paradigm shift and unless the EU/UK follow suit, business will locate where they will make most money.
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Baloo
The pandemic was presumably a leveller over recent years? It all seems to be about electric cars and huge battery producing factories moving forwards and as things stand it appears the scale of investment in the EU will dwarf the UK.
No.
The move is towards the USA, we are seeing a shift in manufacturing bases.
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waynekerr55
I'm not driving a Mini Metro, Sludge!
You can get a bus through there you cnut !
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The pandemic and not brexit has had the biggest effect on the industry in this country.
It's hastened company's moves to electric vehicles, and our government is late to the party in offerimg support and subsidies to attract the investment here. Hopefully Ford investing in the US because of the financial help offered there, will wake Westminster up into something similar.
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The comments about the automotive industry are interesting, after several years of decline our order books are up 25% in Q1 and 50% from July. Predominately our German customers.
Of course thanks to Brexit, all of the manufacturing is here in Poland rather than the UK
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HiVis
I'm the biggest advocate of remain on here, but you can't blame the falling car market on that as much as we want to.
The US government are pumping hundreds of billions into grants for manufacturers to open new facilities in the USA. We are seeing a paradigm shift and unless the EU/UK follow suit, business will locate where they will make most money.
Biden's push to re-shore US manufacturing post dates Brexit by at least 4 years.
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az city
Biden's push to re-shore US manufacturing post dates Brexit by at least 4 years.
Do you accept Ford leaving the UK is nothing to do with Brexit and is part of a wider move to shift US car manufacturing back to the USA?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You can get a bus through there you cnut !
They've reached it you fool!
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The collapse of Britishvolt and the lack of EV battery manufacturing in the UK will probably be the final nail in the coffin of the UK car industry.
https://theconversation.com/britishv...-market-198104
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Des Parrot
The comments about the automotive industry are interesting, after several years of decline our order books are up 25% in Q1 and 50% from July. Predominately our German customers.
Of course thanks to Brexit, all of the manufacturing is here in Poland rather than the UK
Was there a shift happening anyway to offshore manufacturing to cheaper locations or was it actual Brexit reasoning? I know there's an issue with car parts shipped back and forth which probably Brexit made much harder
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Originally Posted by
HiVis
Do you accept Ford leaving the UK is nothing to do with Brexit and is part of a wider move to shift US car manufacturing back to the USA?
Does Ford's strategy of shifting production bases pre-date Brexit? Yes. It also pre-dates Biden's re-shoring attempts. What's your point?
Brexit is killing UK car manufacturing. Here's the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/b...ry-brexit.html
It quotes CEOs on the issue.
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waynekerr55
They've reached it you fool!
Re badged it!
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Was there a shift happening anyway to offshore manufacturing to cheaper locations or was it actual Brexit reasoning? I know there's an issue with car parts shipped back and forth which probably Brexit made much harder
The wording on the contracts was changed to must be made within the EU. All existing contracts remain in UK until around 2026, all new business nominated since 2018 has to be built within the boundaries of the EU
I started last April, this year it will be 50:50 with UK by end 2024 UK will only have the run out models
By 2026 it will be roughly a £600Million per annum loss to the British economy
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az city
Does Ford's strategy of shifting production bases pre-date Brexit? Yes. It also pre-dates Biden's re-shoring attempts. What's your point?
Brexit is killing UK car manufacturing. Here's the NYT:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/26/b...ry-brexit.html
It quotes CEOs on the issue.
my point is that this particular issue we are discussing is nothing to do with Brexit.
Ford are making more jobs redundant in Germany than the UK.
This particular issue is nothing to do with Brexit no matter how you want to dress it up
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HiVis
my point is that this particular issue we are discussing is nothing to do with Brexit.
Ford are making more jobs redundant in Germany than the UK.
This particular issue is nothing to do with Brexit no matter how you want to dress it up
OK, boss. You obviously know better than current and former car maker CEOs. (And BTW most industry experts.)
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Doucas
I can't remember where I saw it but basically the amount of cars produced in the UK has collapsed since 2016, its a total mystery as to why..
Cos Drakeford is closing all the roads, Wales won't need cars?
No major road improvements, 20mph, and speed cameras everywhere, if you want to drive move to England, Wales will blame global warming, but it gives them money to waste on daft ideas for the sake of being different.
Don't pay the paramedics anymore in ten years they will have no roads to collect people or no hospital beds to take them to. leave them all to retire from natural wastage.
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az city
OK, boss. You obviously know better than current and former car maker CEOs. (And BTW most industry experts.)
But what if you both have a point. Des has posted some stark evidence on Brexit's impact to go with the views you allude to.
However Ford seem to be retrenching back to a US focused future, encouraged by Biden's green investment subsidies. It's likely that the EU will respond with their own version for EU based manufacturers. That leaves "Global Britain" at risk of feeding off scraps in search of that ever more elusive Brexit dividend.
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Originally Posted by
HiVis
Do you accept Ford leaving the UK is nothing to do with Brexit and is part of a wider move to shift US car manufacturing back to the USA?
And generally trying to stop people from driving, blaming global warming.
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az city
The crux is Brexit as anyone with a modicum of intelligence would admit.
Jimbo, simple question - when did the decline in UK car production begin? Here's the answer for you:
https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/manufacturing/
Also, note the biggest export market for UK cars? Yes, folks it's currently 53% to the EU.
Nonsense Brexit has nothing to do with it at all,just like ukraine war has nothing to do with inflation apart from the cereal crops. This is because vast amount of money was printed so now worth less hence inflation.
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waynekerr55
Re badged it!
Have you got a distributor cap for a Ford mondeo ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Have you got a distributor cap for a Ford mondeo ?
I've got a washer bottle for a Ford Probe if that's any good to you?
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Surely the factors impacting cars is :
Uncertainty due to climate targets.
Manufacturing costs rises due to Covid.
Chinese continuing lockdown way after everyone else effecting supply routes.
Asian cars becoming very popular.
Ukraine war fuel price battles .
Second hand car market doing well ..
Who knows ????
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robjohn44
Nonsense Brexit has nothing to do with it at all,just like ukraine war has nothing to do with inflation apart from the cereal crops. This is because vast amount of money was printed so now worth less hence inflation.
The fuel crisis pushed the price of manufacturing and delivery costs, which pushed up prices, as did the global shipping problems from the covid lockdowns. While fuel and energy costs remain high inflation can't yet drop to pre covid levels they are moving to single digit figures.